anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?

[TDR'smom]

Karen,

Is he on an antibiotic for the infection or are they waiting it out?

The Dr. gave me a prescription and told me to hold on to it, keep an eye on Tyler to see if it got worse (it was not that bad when she looked).  After 3-4 days of fussiness and short naps, I had the prescription filled and he seems to be doing better.  Also the Motrin helps I think.

Actually she just woke crying on her own after 2 hours 8 minutes

Was she better after you went and got her?  That is an awesome nap.  I love anything over 2 hours.  But maybe that is why he wakes up so early in the AM???  Just thought of that once I read your post about the ROOSTER IMPERSONATION.   LOL. 

[Mom to M&M]

Glad he seems to be getting better. She was still crying when I got her but inhaled 4 wagon wheels and 3 ounces of milk and is playing at my feet now. In M's case, nothing in particular has to change - just some days she decides to be a rooster and some days she doesn't. Cock-a-doodle-doo!

[KellyC]

Hi guys

I've missed quite a few posts so apologies if I miss anyone.

Judy, that's so funny that you mention Tyler being tired at the same time (or earlier!) if he sleeps past 7.  Yesterday Zander woke at 7, went down for his nap at 12.30 and slept just under 2 hours.  Today he was still sleeping at 7 so I left him and he woke closer to 7.30.  Mum had him today and said he was really tired during lunch, went down at 12 and only slept for a maximum of 1.5 hours and then woke happy and played in his cot for a while.  I know the short nap was partly due to not eating enough for lunch (he's getting hungry again after his illness but mummy only sent the same boring old bland food to nanny's and he's had enough of that!) but I also think he had too much sleep overnight and I should have woken him at 7 (he goes to bed at 6.45).  Weird that he lasted half an hour less than yesterday though!

m (m for mysterious lady - what's your real name?!), you'll be pleased to hear that I sooooo know what you mean about the cats!  We have one oriental cat who is very 'vocal' at the worst times and another cat who scratches on the wardrobe between our room and Zander's room when she wants to go out during the night - makes me want to make a batch of cat stew too!  (Not really of course!).  We also have 2 dogs who get very excited when they hear DH get out of bed in the morning because they want to go for their walk, I lie in bed just steaming because I think they'll wake Zander!  I agree with your over-tiredness verdict.  If you want to keep that after lunch long nap in place then I would definitely try and find a way to get PJ to take a 20 minute nap during the morning to see him through, especially if he's waking early?  We used to do a morning nap from 9.40 - 10 and then an after lunch nap at 12.30.  Could you maybe try the cuddles?  You might even enjoy it!  You might also feel better knowing that you're not putting him down for a 'proper' morning nap.

Kelly x

[TDR'smom]

Kelly,

(he's getting hungry again after his illness but mummy only sent the same boring old bland food to nanny's and he's had enough of that!)

  LOL!!!   

Does Zander sleep from 6:45PM-6:45AM?!?!?!?  I am so jealous.  We get between 10 1/2-11 hours.  Would love 12!

Judy

[KellyC]

Believe me he hasn't always done it, only recently actually since we switched to one nap.  I was thinking of you all this morning because Zander woke at 5.30am and I knew he would because he was up from 1.30ish until bedtime at 6.40 last night.  He usually wakes closer to 2.30 (at the earliest) and goes to bed at 6.45 so it definitely confirms to me what I'm always saying - a shorter afternoon and drifting off to sleep earlier means a lie in whilst a long afternoon and going to bed exhausted (but well - still no crying!) means an early morning call.  Luckily we just hand him his water and he goes back to sleep - I woke him at 7.30 today 

Kelly x

[KellyC]

See how it goes Stacy - if you start having problems getting him down for a second nap you can always try the morning catnap.

Kelly x

[PeepersMom]

Kelly - was that a joke about m?  It's me! Meg!!     Give Zander some peanut butter and jelly!  Usually works pretty well here pre-nap.  Today he had a philly adn jelly sandwich.  Thought it would be easier to eat with a stuffed up nose.

PJ ended up sleeping fairly well last night BUT this stuffed up nose is really making his sleep fitfull. I guess I can really see how it would be hard to sleep.  He is napping now and just cried for a few minutes at the 40m transition and I stood outside his room and could here him breathing.  I almost think we are lucky we made it through that one, now I have SERIOUS doubts that he will make it through the next. 

Stacy - I can see where you are coming from.  I know 1 hour or even 1.5 hours isn't enough to get a lo through the day.  I think anything short of a 2 hour nap is deficient.  I know Kaleb is very happy but like you said, kids can get very good at surviving over tired.  I hope you have good success. 

Man i lost track of who else is here with us - grace how is lucas?  And Marisa?  Tyler?  I think I got some of them........

Meg aka m

[PeepersMom]

okay - we're sure this could all be just from illness?  Yes it is hard for him to sleep with that stuffy nose, but he just woke after 1h05 minutes.  This is his shortest nap since we started the switch. 

i am happy to wait it out until the nose clears up.  He has been doing fairly well at night, although sleep has been fitfull.  He has been getting about 11.5-12 hours. 

I hope the worst of it is over.  He is in a pretty good mood, despite the stuffed up nose.  I could keep him hopped up on benedryl to dry up his nose, but that just doesn't seem right, either. 

Crap

[KellyC]

Meg, I think I was just having a funny moment yesterday - of course I know m stands for Meg 

Zander is being a very fussy eater after his illness which is why he's not eating well.  He usually has at least 50g of protein in his lunch meal (yes I'm that anal!) which helps him to sleep for 2 hours.  Probably why the peanut butter works for you!

I stretched Zander to 12.30 today (after a 7.30 waking so I didn't think it was too much!) but he woke after an hour.  I actually went in with a dummy as I really wanted him to go back to sleep and I had to wake him at 3.  Do you think PJ's overtired?  Maybe more tired than usual because of his cold?

k 

[Mom to M&M]

Wow - you all give peanut butter already? I'm pretty anal about that (being an allergy mod and all LOL) - plan to wait until at least 18 months. Grilled cheese sandwich (with a little broccoli hidden inside) works well for us pre-nap, with usually 3-4 ounces of milk too. Marisa woke at 6am today and dozed fitfully until 6:30 - but not her fault - she had a MONSTER diaper when we got her up. We put her in for her nap at 11:35 today but she played until 12 - silly girl. Hopefully she sleeps at least 2 hours - it's been only one hour 15 minutes so far. She always can make it longer when DH is home...

Could be an overtired thing with PJ or maybe he needs a bit more A time on the other hand? Have you tried wake-to sleep?

Stacy - did you try two naps today? Or maybe try W2S at the hour mark?

[lucmom]

Hi all!
I'm still hanging in with Lucas...last night had a babysitter who put him down late despite my instructions to go for 6:45 (due to early nap).  So, of course we had a 5:45 waking, and I was torn between going for 2 naps (to catch up on hours of sleep), and seeing how long he could go this am and seeing if he'll make up the time in a single nap.  So, I did the worst thing ever....I took him up at 10:15, and then I waffled!  He didn't seem tired, and immediately started jumping in the crib, and I was thinking that we've having company this afternoon, and then thought "what if I go for this two nap thing, and then he won't take a second nap?" He was saying "up, up" which he never does at naptime, even if he isn't quite ready, but close, so I took him out (ugh, bad, I know).  Now, it's 10:45, and I'm thinking I'll do lunch soon, have him down before 11:30, cross my fingers and hope for the best.  I doubt he'll make up the lost sleep with a long nap (because he never does), but we'll see.

The other thing I'm stuggling with is when I should bite the bullet and just go for one nap on most days regardless of wake up time.  Do you think the going back and forth to 2 naps sometimes interferes with him getting conditioned to nap longer after 5+ hours of awake time?

Meg, I know it seems like a little stuffed nose couldn't do much, but I'm telling you the exact same thing happened with us, right at 3 weeks, and once the nose thing was gone, his sleep was better -- now it's just avoiding too much awake time!  And keep in mind, even if his symptoms don't seem that bad, it takes energy to fight off illness, especially since he's so  young.

OK, gotta go try lunch!  Wish me luck!

[TDR'smom]

Ex, this last 5 days naps were.. hour and 45 min, hour and 15 mins, hour and 30 mins,  2 hours 20 mins, today 2 hours 15 mins lol. There seriously isnt ANY pattern to it at all.

Stacy,  I know the feeling.  Tyler ranges from 1 1/2 hours to 3 1/2.  You never know.
How did today go?

K,

He usually has at least 50g of protein in his lunch meal (yes I'm that anal!) which helps him to sleep for 2 hours.  Probably why the peanut butter works for you!

I'm totally going to try that tommorow!! 

[PeepersMom]

Stacy I think maybe you are right, riding it out.  He might just be going through something developmental.  I am half thinking part of this is developmental for PJ, too.  As well as his cold.  Like I said b/f - he has been taking steps for a few months but only in the past 3 weeks has he REALLY taken off and walked primarily and this past week he is 100% walking (except for the stairs - he can go down backwards) Anywat - for us every milestone = weeks of sleepless nights so I guess I should be lucky all this is mostly effecting his days. 

I am riding it out, as well.  I know you told me that it can take 2-3 months to establish one good nap routine, so I am hoping it is true.  Several of my friends babies were stuck at 1.26-1.5 for the first 2 months then suddenly just started doing 2 hours.  I hope that is the case with us (only it doesn't take 2 months  )  Most of our sleep issues are only a phase - have to keep telling myself that.

Zander is doing beautifully with the naps/sleep.  I just can't imagine going into PJ's room and giving him a cup and then leaving him and actually thinking he might go back to sleep.  We would have WWIII on our hands in there I am sure.  I wouldn't even attempt it.  I would be too scared!

So I wonder how Marisa did?

Grace - thanks for the words of encouragement........I know you just went through the same thing and Lucas came through with flying colors.  I never have tried 2 naps through this yet.  Maybe I could try to put him down at 9 tomorrow if he is still really bad.  I mean 2 40 min naps might actually make for a happier baby in the long run.  I don't know!  It would take a lot of work on my part to do it though.  I would probalby have to rock him to sleep.  which is fine, I actually don't mind doing that at all.  I often do because ...........I just want to!  (I know bad BW Mommy! )

Oh yeah Kelley - holy crap! 50g?  can you share his lunch menu please?

Meg

[TDR'smom]

okay - we're sure this could all be just from illness?  Yes it is hard for him to sleep with that stuffy nose, but he just woke after 1h05 minutes.  This is his shortest nap since we started the switch.

Meg,  I'm sure that the shorter nap was from his stuffy nose.  Think of how we feel when we try to sleep with a stuffy nose!!!  My mouth gets all dry and yucky.....      Poor little thing!!!

I mean 2 40 min naps might actually make for a happier baby in the long run.

 

I tend to agree with this.  He might surprise you and take 2 one hour naps......  (FINGERS CROSSED FOR YOU)))

Hope he feels better soon!   

[shelliz]

Hi all!
 
  I am pretty new to this thread. I have a some questions that I wondered if you all could help me on.
 DD had the signs of needing to move toward one nap. So...I am shortening the first one and pulling the afternoon nap forward to 12:30. 

I have only done it for 2 days. I have been able to get a two hour afternoon nap both days (but I did w2s both days too!).
 
In the instance where I need to be somewhere with my lo (ie: church tomorrow) during the middle of the day, would it throw everything off if for one day I went back to two naps?  I would want to do this until I have her on one nap only (then we can go to the early church service and be home for pm nap)

Since dd still needs one little nap in the am...I know she 'will' take a longer one if I let her. I just don't want to mess up what we have started so far but we have to be out of the house tomorrow during the middle of the day. What do you all think?

Thank you, Thank you!

Shelby