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New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« on: May 30, 2006, 01:30:58 am »
Hi there

I'm just starting and am already frustrated. My boy had slept through the night at 3 months, then went togetting up 1 or 2 times a night. Now he's up A LOT. I've just tried the 4 hour routine and its going ok, but he won't nap longer than 30 minutes unless he's been in the car. He used to have a great long afternoon nap after a walk with the dog but now he won't so he's sleep deprived during the day. he goes down well at night, then wakes up after a few hours and is restless until about 3 am (with me going to him many times), then sleeps till 6:30 or 7.

I think I have two problems:

1. I used to resort to giving him the breast but now I don't. He's responded well to that but I can't get him to break this waking up cycle. Part of the problem is I'm now so confused about what cry to go to and what cry not to, when to Pu/Pd and when not to...

2. I am having a hard time getting him to extend his naps - tried for 40 minutes the last several days and no go......

Sorry this isn't more focused but its really tough when I'm so sleep deprived and stressed. Where do I start?

J

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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2006, 13:10:07 pm »

Hi J,

If you could please post your typical routine that would give us a good start in trying to help.  Also a few more questions inorder to see everything clearly:

Is he on any form of solids yet?

Anything new mobiltity wise?

Has he started teething?

Does he fall asleep independently? 

You mentioned not knowing when to PU/PD or feed well, we need to sort you out with a plan and something you can consistently stick to to help your LO get the sleep he needs.

Hopefully we can get to the bottom of it.

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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2006, 15:22:50 pm »
Hi there

sorry, I was distrraught yesterday and incapable of full detail...hopefully this is a bit better.

until last week we didn't have a set time for naps. he napped approximately every 2 hours for approximately 30 mins.  I breast fed on demand with approximately 3-4 hours between feedings. I would breast feed usually before nap time in the morning in his crib, his second nap was often after shopping, afternoon nap at home and then late day nap in his chariot after taking the dog for a walk.

nights are always the same - bath or sponge bath around 7-7:30, bottle usually with dad or occassionally breast, then bed.

at 3 months he could sleep through the night occassionally, or get up just once maybe twice, then it started getting really haywire, some nights good some not. there was no appreciable reason for the change. However, I just figured that the recent round of extremely frequent wakings (5 times a night) may be due to the fact he no longer sleeps in his chariot, so is missing a big chunk of daytime sleep.

I would try pick up put down but not successfully. We tried cry it out on a very limited basis once or twice at night and a couple of time at naps when really frustrated. It got so that I was always breast feeding him to sleep. He goes to his crib still awake unless he's just crashed on the bottle.

Since last wednesday, no more breast before naps. I will feed him maybe once during the night as I'm trying to start listening to whether he's actually hungry or not and he has adjusted quickly to this.PUPD is working well sometimes and not others because I'm having trouble differentiating when to pick up and when to just be quiet and wait. So while things have improved, I need to break his habit of waking so quickly, both at nap time and at night.

We started solids at 4.5 months and he's now almost 7 months. I've moved very slowly with what I've introduced. He gets 3 meals a day including cereal, fruits and veggies. We'll start meat and plain yogurt soon. He's likely over 19lbs now and very healthy.

We did have a minor miracle last night after a day of crappy naps. He had a bottle at 6pm (off schedule), slept for 20 mins, had dinner and a bit of activity. Then sponge bath and another bottle and bed and sleep by 7:30pm. He woke at 10:30 and I got him back to sleep within a few minutes and I think giving him a light fleece blanket to hold onto helped (he's very active in his crib). I didn't hear from him again till 6:30am and he played until 7 :)

So, I'm seeing improvements but need to extend the nap durations and cut the night time wakings...right?


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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2006, 16:25:47 pm »

Here is a link to a consult with Tracy re. the proper techniques for PU/PD.

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=9287.0

I think that at this age your LO could do with a very consitent nap schedule and winddown.  He should be having 2 naps a day of each 1 to 2 hours and should be going to bed no later than 730PM.

I also think that with solids firmly established and he is a healthy weight he doesn;t need a feed at night.  I think feeding him is only reinforcing a bad habit.  I think you need to be ready tp do PU/PD consitently for all wake ups in order to sort out his sleep.

He sounds like a pretty adaptable little chap so I think that if you are consitent he will catch on in no time.

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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2006, 16:31:04 pm »
Thanks for the link I'll go through it again.

He woke after about 40 minutes and I couldn't get him back to sleep. He kept holding up his hands for me. I couldnt figure out whether to pupd because he was also doing what might have been his 'mantra' cry. but if I stayed by his crib he didnt relax and if i sat on a chair he held up his hands.....

i know the naps are the key but its just not obvious what to do

J

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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2006, 01:19:47 am »

Unless he is REALLY crying he may be trying to settle himself.  If not and he is awake and unhappy you can bet he needs more sleep so no matter what his actions are do PUPD until he is settled and falls asleep.

It can take up to a week or more so don;t despair and stay consistent
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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2006, 00:44:04 am »
Well, get this.

Last night he woke up a few times, sometimes he put himself down, sometimes I had to.

Today, he slept for........ 1 hour and 45 minutes for his nap, on his own!!!!! Then his 1pm started while in the car, and he slept 1.5 hours in his car seat.  Then, he went down for bed early after eating an insane amount of food.

Finally, he's got 2 teeth coming in.

I know its early days but man was this ever encouraging!!

Thanks for your advice!

Jen

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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2006, 13:13:43 pm »

Jen,

That is wonderful, it looks like the start of a good sleeping/eating cycle!  Keep us posted....

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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2006, 17:07:33 pm »
I knew I was risking jinxing it.

he went to bed early last night and was awake early so I had to feed him early. put him down on time though after a nice wind down.

and he was up after 30 minutes. i let him be while he played for a bit and went in when he started crying. did pupd until next feeding time and no go. he's now awake and happy.

i'm going to try and keep him up till next nap time (almost 2 hours) and see if i can get him to sleep longer than 30. this is so frustrating! :'(

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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2006, 17:42:09 pm »

Jen,

Remeber Baby Steps...Stay aptient and consitent it WILL pay off!
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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2006, 01:43:42 am »
well, it seems things are improving and it wasn't a fluke. He slept for 2 hours this afternoon. now it know it wasn't a fluke, I can chill a bit more :)

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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2006, 16:31:06 pm »
I'll keep it in this thread so you know where we are coming from.

he doesn't nap for 2 hours each nap - usually 1 hour for one, 2 for the other. Is this ok? If he wakes up  happy then let him play for a bit and get him up?

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Re: New here - 6mo with nap and night problems
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2006, 23:12:31 pm »

If he wakes happy, I wouldn't worry about it. 

My DD rarley if EVER took a 2 hour nap until she moved to ONE nap!!
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