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Fat in the diet
« on: May 30, 2006, 18:55:30 pm »
How much fat is acceptable in a toddlers diet? How much is too much? Does anyone have any ideas?

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Re: Fat in the diet
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2006, 19:27:08 pm »
According to "Super Baby Food" by Ruth Yaron, a 1-3 yr old toddler weighing around 29 lbs should get approx 1300 calories per day and 50-79 fat grams. Around 30% of her calories should come from fat. You can calculate this by multiplying her total daily fat grams by 9 then dividing by her total daily calories.

Healthy fats are very important for growing toddlers, as they aid in brain and central nervous system development. Some experts even advise not limiting healthy fat intake at all until about 3 yrs of age.
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Re: Fat in the diet
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2006, 16:41:02 pm »
Thank you for the quick reply!  :) Does butter count or is that unhealthy fat? Would marg be better? If butter is okay is unsalted better?

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Re: Fat in the diet
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2006, 03:43:48 am »
I'd go with butter over margarine, since we have a pretty good idea of what goes into butter but not so much with margarine! As for salted or unsalted, I think the amount of salt used is pretty small so you could go either way.

BUT...we've always given Tyler margarine because that's what we eat! :)
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2006, 02:40:25 am »
I'm not trying to criticise you Melissa, but I have to admit I'm surprised that the book recommended that toddlers only get 30% of calories as fat.... Breastmilk contains 50% of calories as fat, and adults are recommended to have 30% of calories from fat, so I'd say 40% of calories from fat would be more like it. Toddlers need extra fat and cholesterol for development of their brains and nervous systems.  I actually spoke to my doctor about the recommendation to give low fat dairy products to toddlers over the age of 2. She said it used to 5, but with the increase in childhood obesity  it was recently changed to 2. But she said that unless there are weight problems, to keep on giving full fat dairy to my son, so that's what I've been doing, as well as lots of cheese, eggs, butter, olive and coconut oil. My son is actually slightly underweight. Children have grown up for generations eating these kinds of foods, when childhood obesity was unheard of, so I can't believe that these fats are the problem.  I think it is probably large amounts of sugar, trans fats and junk food that are causing obesity.

I use low salt butter instead of margarine, it's stood the test of time - besides I hate the taste of margarine!
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Re: Fat in the diet
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2006, 15:04:15 pm »
Lan, this is the only source I've been able to find in writing on the subject, and 20-30% is actually what I've heard. Could it be because, unfortunately, most toddlers' diets DO contain junk food, so the guidelines reflect a conservative approach based on that? If you have other sources, please pass them along!
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Re: Fat in the diet
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2006, 17:13:55 pm »
NO MARGARINE!!! Lots of trans fats!!! Trans fats = BAAAAAAD fats!!!!  :( :( :( (Biology lesson to follow.....)

Basically, ANY hydrogenated fat, even partially, is a bad fat, for kids or for adults. Babies and children need the fats in order to build brains cells and neurons, among other things, and for cell maintenance and growth; fats are incorporated into cell membranes. As you ingest good fats, like flaxseed oil, fish/cod liver oil, coconut oil, butter (saturated, yes, but good fat b/c NOT hydrogenated), and olive oil (OK for boiling pasta and low-temp sauteeing, but not for high-heat cooking as it breaks down into bad fats), as well as nut oil when old enough, the oils become part of a healthy body, improving the growth of myelin along neurons necessary for learning and controlling movement - first large-motor, then fine-motor. Now imagine what happens if instead of good fats, bad ones (hydrogenated, or fats that have broken down due to high temps) are substituted. They are the ones that become part of cell membranes, they are incorporated into myelin, but they don't work as well as good fats. Immunity isn't as good, motor skills don't develop as quickly and aren't maintained as easily. They also take a LOOOONG time to get out of your system! This can also result in emotional and behavioral problems, as I've seen first-hand. :(

Above and beyond that I'm kinda fuzzy, but since we're so darned diet-conscious here with Josie's sensory issues and her diet, I've learned an awful lot about this stuff in the last few months and I try not to get militant about it but sometimes it is HARD!!!! LOL

In the States, it's becoming more common labelling practice for foods with no trans fats to SAY they have no trans fats, BUT a small amount of them apparently counts as "zero" on the Nutrition Information label. A bag of microwave popcorn is meant to be shared among several people, according to that panel (more than one serving in a bag), so if you eat it all, you WOULD get a significant enough portion to count as a couple grams of trans fat, so even if you read that stuff, it's still good to check the actual list of ingredients.

For cooking, coconut oil is great for high-heat frying. It smells yummy too! I don't normally love coconut, especially not in candy (BLEAH!), but I really do like the smell and taste of it. Yes, it's pricey compared to basic veggie oil, but I don't know at what temperature those oils break down so I just don't bother with them myself except for baking (personal preference). Olive oil is OK for low-temp cooking, but flaxseed oil and fish oil should not be used for cooking, I have been known to mix them with other foods already cooked, though. I do also cook w/butter sometimes, although usually I'll cook veggies and melt a HUGE pat of butter AND add some extra-virgin olive oil to get more good fat. Cringe if you want, but since I started eating that way I lost TWENTY-FIVE POUNDS in 3 months and it has STAYED off!!!!! (Oh, and the kids like it that way too, with a little salt and/or garlic powder added).

OK, my discouse on fats is ended now. Thanks for indulging me! :)
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2006, 01:49:51 am »
Thanks for the info Deb, it's always interesting to read what you write about nutrition! I was going to write about trans fats in margarine too, but  I wasn't sure if they've been eliminated from a lot of margarines now (which begs the question, so how do they harden them then?)
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Now imagine what happens if instead of good fats, saturated ones are substituted.
I was wondering did you mean TRANS fats instead of SATURATED fats?


Melissa, I don't have the book with me now, but there are Australian books called 'Baby Love' and 'The Mighty Toddler' by Robin Barker, she talks about breastmilk having 50% of calories as fat, and that toddlers still need fat in the diet fro the reasons Deb mentioned. In the book it recommended dropping fat to 30% of calories at the time children reach school age. So that's why  I estimated 40%. I'm going by memory here though. I'm suprised that anyone would recommend 20% - that would be a low fat diet for adults! For overwieght kids  I think it would be best to cut out excess sugar (especially sugary drinks as it's really easy to get loads od sugar in drinks) and processed food rather than good fats.

Since I've been using lots of good fats in my diet I've lost about 3 kg in 2 months too even though I eat as much as  I like!

There are also this article by the authors of the book 'Nourishing Tradtions'  Deb I think you know more about it than me?

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/diet_children.html
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Re: Fat in the diet
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 03:00:56 am »
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Now imagine what happens if instead of good fats, saturated ones are substituted.
I was wondering did you mean TRANS fats instead of SATURATED fats?

OMG, YES YES YES, I'll go back and fix that now! Thanks! :)

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Re: Fat in the diet
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2006, 14:31:07 pm »
Thanks you guys...great info!
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Re: Fat in the diet
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2006, 20:02:46 pm »
Are meat fats healthy?  My ds is underweight too, and he primarily eats veggies, fruits and meat.  He loves bacon, so once (maybe twice) a week, we give him some low-sodium bacon which is quite fatty.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2006, 11:25:59 am »
Meat fats are saturated fats, but breastmilk has a high proportion of saturated fats, so  I don't think some saturated fat is a problem for toddlers. THe only thing with bacon though, is that it can contain nitrites as a preservative, which could be a problem if it's eaten regularly. Once or twice a week shouldn't be too much of a problem though. If you serve the bacon with a vitamin C containing food (eg orange juice, tomatoes) it minimises the effect of the preservatives.
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Re: Fat in the diet
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2006, 20:37:45 pm »
Thank you so much for all this helpful info! I'll make sure that Bec sticks with butter rather than anything else. It's a mine field isn't it!? Bec only eats very limited things and it can be hard work at times. I appreciate the help on this one!!