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starving baby!
« on: August 26, 2006, 09:38:35 am »
hope you can help,
4 week old baby - bf but suffering. Baby feeds for hours this morning three hours on and off. He never seems to be satisfied after feeding. He's always hungry (or seems to be) and starts crying. Can only be consoled by the breast - but extended sucking leaves me tired, frustrated and with sore nipples. baby gets agitated and distressed during feeding and frequently seems to be unable to latch on.

Tried expressing milk but have been unsuccessful so far.

Any help gratefully received!

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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2006, 10:20:09 am »
Hi Archie
Welcome to the boards. BIG hug. Hang in there. It's always said that you need to give breastfeeding 6 weeks to settle down. It's a skill that you and he both have to learn and it will be worth it in the end.

Can I ask a few questions?

Does your baby have around 6 wet nappies in 24 hours? If the answer is yes, and you are exclusively breastfeeding, then this is a sign he is getting enough. How is his weight gain? Again, if your health professionals have no concerns then he's getting enough.

When he does get on does he have a wide gape and take in a good mouthful of breast (lots of areola not just nipple, especially areola below the nipple)? 
Is his body straightish when he feeds so he doesn't have to turn his head, his shoulders and hips are in line and his head is well-supported? The best way to put him on is to first encourage a wide gape (perhaps by touching your nipple against his lips or under his nose) and when you get that gape very speedily put him on your breast (move him to you, not the breast to him).
You should feel that any discomfort goes after a couple of minutes if your nipples are sore. If your nipples remain very sore throughout the feed then that might suggest your nipple is not going far enough into his mouth as they should be bypassing his hard palate and moving onto his soft palate which doesn't 'rub'.

Sore nipples are helped a lot by a cream called Lansinoh. It's pure lanolin and safe to keep on your nipples without needing to wipe them off for a feed. It's the only cream that is officially sanctioned by various breastfeeding organisations including the LLL. It helps you keep a moist environment on your nipples which aids healing. Truthfully, if you are still in pain at 4 weeks that might suggest a latching issue. A couple of weeks of nipples settling down is not uncommon but you wouldn't still expect it at 4 weeks.

Has your doctor/ midwife ruled out the fact he might have a short frenulum (be 'tongue tied' i.e when his mouth is open does his tongue sometimes make a heart shape at the end?)?


Is this the way it has always been or have the last few days been especially tough? It could be that he is going through a growth spurt ( a frantic few days where he is feeding far more frequently to build up your milk supply).

Make sure you are drinking enough and eating well and hopefully there are people who can look after you a bit.

Lastly, have you received any other advice from a breastfeeding professional as it sounds as though it might be important you talk to someone qualified. It doesn't have to cost anything. There are numbers of free helplines on the FAQ page. The La Leche League is also a free resource with local 'leaders' who are trained counsellors. If you do suspect it might be a latching issue then it would be valuable to try and see someone face-to-face. I really would suggest you try and talk to someone IRL (in real life)! One five minute conversation could make all the difference and even if you pay for a lactation consultant it would still be cheaper than several months of formula.

Good Luck.

I'll try and check in a few hours and see if you've responded to any of these questions. I'm sure lots of others will have good advice for you too.
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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2006, 08:45:35 am »
Thanks for the tips - sorry to be so long in replying but my internet was down.

I talked to my midwife about some of the issues and she thinks that i have overactive letdown so baby is getting too much foremilk and as a result is hungry very quickly. Also, as the milk comes out very fast it makes him splutter and fussy at the nipple. I'm now experimenting with different positions in order to slow down the flow.

The baby is putting on weight and wetting lots of nappies so he's getting enough to eat,

I hope the problem can be resolved! Thanks once again for your help. Support is always essential.

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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2006, 08:54:25 am »
Hi there.
Here's some more information about overactive letdown:

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/fast-letdown.html
(with some positioning photos)


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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2006, 02:36:37 am »
I just followed the link that the moderator recommended it suggested what I was about to suggest, "block nursing."  Let baby have two (or even three depending on frequency) feedings in a row on one breast--it's like a continuation of the previous feed: no new let down, just more time to get the hind milk.

I used to do that with my son when he would have a short feed because he was overwhelmed by my let down.

Good luck!

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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2006, 07:44:25 am »
I also had an overactive letdown and dd would choke terribly. My midwife suggesting me lying on my side with dd lying facing me, on her side and bf like that - it worked perfectly (no more choking) and it's also an extremely comfortable position to bf in.

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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2006, 12:20:25 pm »
much improved feeding - all going well. Thanks for advice

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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2006, 16:21:14 pm »
That's good news.  :)
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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2006, 16:44:58 pm »
Archie, I know things are going better and you probably don't need the extra advice, but thought I would put my two cents in anyway :)

My hospital had a breast feeding support group with a free lactation consultant.  Went every week while I was on maternity leave and I am so glad that I did.  There are just so many questions that I felt were not important enough to call a dr with or pay a lactation consultant for.  It was wonderful.  You should definitely check and see if a hospital around you offers this.

Also, when I was struggling with an over-active let down, the other side effect was bad and painful gas b/c with the extra milk ds was gulping down extra air.  If he seems extra fussy some times this might be why (took me a while to figure out  ::) ).  The nursing twice on one side helped me.  Also, I know others have already mentioned positions, but any position where your lo has to go against gravity to get the milk will help with overactive letdown (ie - lean back in a rocking chair or put him sitting upright strattling your leg and eating sitting up - I did this at 5 weeks).  My lc also suggested eating lots Altoids to slightly lessen supply.  You and your lo will get on the same page within a few weeks though.

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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 21:40:11 pm »
this thread helped me alot..LO still has very short feedings but seems to be gaining wt steadily and pooping well so i have stopped watching the clock...although 3 minutes still seems too short to me.

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Re: starving baby!
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2006, 01:16:29 am »
nah, don't worry about it if he stops.  My ds often has feeds of just 5 minutes or so.  I think short feedings is one of the positives of a fast let-down.  I use to be concerned about it but ds is 5 mths (in three hours :) ) and at 18.5lbs - he certainly isn't missing out on any calories  ;)  Good luck!
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