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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2006, 20:38:53 pm »
Does anyone know why dreamfeed must be before 11pm???  My baby is 9 weeks old and has been colicky and has reflux(have just weened her off Domperidone and Ranitidine(Zantac), she's still on Gaviscon Infant), so the evenings are the worst, she will not sleep at all between 5pm and midnight.  I feed her around 5pm, then 9pm and then midnight.  She will then sleep till around 4pm (wakes up crying with wind - goes back to sleep), then another DF between 5 and 6am, then back to sleep till about 9am for the morning feed.

Am I doing this correctly?  If I give her her DF before 11pm she tends to wake up twice then during the night for a feed at around 2am and 6am.  I would prefer to feed her at midnight and have her only wake up once during the night.  Am I jepordizing the whole EASY routine by doing this?  I am so hoping to get my baby to sleep all night within the next month.

Any tips?!!!


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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2006, 20:47:32 pm »
Tracy has stated that DF'ing too late disrupts sleep cycles and reinforces waking.

Dream Feeding Too Late


"Janet called me because her son was waking up at 4:30 or 5 every morning. “But l’m doing a dream feed,’ she insisted. The problem was, she was feeding four rnonth old Kevin between midnight and 1AM.  At his age and for his size (he was 8 lb. at birth), he should have been sleeping at least 5, if not 6, hours during the night. But because Janet was unwittingly disrupting his sleep with a too late dream feed, he slept fitfully. After all, babies’ sleep patterns are affected just like ours would be if we are disturbed or overtired. If we’re kept up, we don’t sleep soundly and are more likely to toss and turn. Then to make matters worse, Janet fed him when he woke in the wee hours of the morning, which only reinforced his waking habit. (Remember: Waking up like Clockwork is a pattern; waking sporadically is hunger.) I suggested that she gradually move the dream feed to 10 or 10:30, but stop feeding him when he wakes (see more about how to do this in chapter 5, pages l98 ~ 199) Also, she was to give him a little more food during the day by adding an oz. to each of his daytime bottles."


taken from the secrets of the baby whisperer p119



If you find that doing the Df later works for you, then continue.  The above is Tracys reasoning for doing the DF between 10pm and 11pm, after working with lots of babies.

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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2006, 21:10:41 pm »
Lauren - sorry if sounded a bit too critical of EASY. I think I've been trying to follow it too strictly and got frustrated...
For the past few days I've been doing just what you suggested, watching my lo's cues and things seem to be falling into place. The ideas suggested by Tracy do work but when we mums get very tired and a bit desperate I think we tend to expect miracles and a baby who should fit withing a ready-made schedule.
Well, thanks for taking your time writing. I'm sorry about the misunderstanding.
Take care

And Debbie - thanks a lot for sharing your experience. My lo is a bit like yours, eating at different times. But he's happy I guess. I think he would be eating more if I spaced his feeds a little bit more but this is hard! As you know.
I'm trying to watch his cues a bit more and I feel more relaxed. Before I was just looking at the clock... Well, I still do but it's better now.
Take care

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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2006, 22:35:22 pm »
My DS is eight weeks old today...hooray!!!!  We did the dream feed for a few nights and it seemed that he just lost the distinction between night and day because of it.  So I'd like to try cluster feeding, but I'm a little confused.  It was my impression that one of the main ideas in EASY was that babies learned not to be dependent on bottle/breast to go to sleep.  To this end, I've been giving him a feed at 7p, then bath, then bed, and just waiting until he wakes to eat, sometimes as early at 12a, sometimes as late as 3a.  Basically, he wakes at least once before 7a, most times twice.  I'd like to fit in an extra bottle during the day so maybe we can start thinking about getting that 8p to 7a sleep stretch I'm longing for! ;D  My question is, should I feed him at 6, bath, etc. and then again at 8?  I'm just worried that the bottle will become an expectation, fine for now, not fine for later.  Do I do his little bedtime routine minus bath after the 8?  Sorry if these are questions with obvious answers...I've been reading for a while here, and I feel like it's all starting to run together.  Any advice is appreciated!!

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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2006, 06:42:08 am »
hi
Here is the info from the book on best CF times...

E 1600
A 1630
S 1730 - catnap only  30 - 45mins

E 1900 & bath or vice versa    or    E 1800   &    2000  with bath in the middle (clusterfeeding)
S 1930                                       S 2030


The dreamfeed usually needs to be initially done for about a week for you to see any benefits and find out it it works for your LO.

There are full dream and clusterfeeding FAQ's here --> https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=54662.0
*If your baby is resistant to the dream feed?
*Tanking Up (clusterfeeding)
*Dream Feeding Too Late
*How to stop Habitual Waking from D/F
*When to start?/How to do it/When to do it/How much?/How long to implemant?/Problems?
*How to stop the dream feed

« Last Edit: November 22, 2006, 06:44:35 am by Calums_Mum »
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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2006, 14:08:07 pm »
Thanks for the info, Lauren.  I think we'll give the cluster feed a go.  :)

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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #66 on: November 22, 2006, 14:26:07 pm »
Let us know how it goes.
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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2006, 16:57:02 pm »
I just started cluster/dreamfeeding my 7 week old. I was wondering how many ounces total should he get each day? He used to get 30 ounces, but now with the cluster feeds, it's turning out to be 35 ounces (7 - 5 ounce bottles). Is that to much??

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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2006, 18:16:10 pm »
I just started cluster/dreamfeeding my 7 week old. I was wondering how many ounces total should he get each day? He used to get 30 ounces, but now with the cluster feeds, it's turning out to be 35 ounces (7 - 5 ounce bottles). Is that to much??

Hi welcome to the boards  :D

There is no set right or wrong, if your LO wants this milk then he must be thirsty. I certainly wouldn't limit the bottles.  If you LO drains any bottles that is a sign that he needs more, usually if they leave 0.5oz in the bottle that's fine.

There is a calulation here, howeve it is aonly a guideline  https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=67933.0

Hope this helps
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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2006, 18:37:06 pm »
That does help, thank you.

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Re: Dr. says to stop DF
« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2006, 20:40:23 pm »
Need some advice.  My LO is 4 months old and went to doctor today for check up.  He told me to stop the DF because she does not need the calories and does not want her getting use to having to eat at that time.  DD weighs 12 lbs and is in the 25th percentile for her weight.  I am afraid that if I stop the DF, she will start waking up more during the night.  I have not had any problems with night wakings since I implemented her DFs when she was 6 weeks old.  The book says to DF until 7 months.  I really don't want to stop the DF.

Should I continue with the DF and just not let the doctor know?  ???

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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support/Chat
« Reply #71 on: December 27, 2006, 21:07:32 pm »
Thank you for the reassurance Stacy, I agree with your advice.  I am going to keep the DF until LO is more established with solids and is old enough to go longer between feeds.  Thanks again!

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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support/Chat
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2007, 19:50:34 pm »
Hi All-
I just started EASY 5 days ago with my 4 (going on 5) week old.  He is strictly bottlefed (either expressed BM or formula)- he takes anywhere from 4-5oz during the day feedings (every 3 hours- pretty good at this).  We're having trouble with the cluster feeds - he'll only take 2oz at each (say at 6, then at 8) and will TOTALLY resist the dreamfeed at 11 - just won't even open his mouth for anything... and then he's up at 12:30 for a normal feed again... then up at 3-4am, then up again at 6:30 (though he's starting to decrease his ozs at the 3-4am feed...)  Any suggestions regarding the cluster feedings and lack of dream feed?  should I drop one cluster to focus on the dream feed?  He also doesn't take catnaps either in the evening.... it takes him too long to go down, and then we get him back up for a cluster feed... something just doesn't feel right...  any thoughts?
Thanks!  :)

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Re: Cluster & Dream Feeding Support/Chat
« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2007, 20:19:13 pm »
CAWPSU06

If your baby is resistant to the dream feed, you also might want to reevaluate how you’re feeding him during the day. One little lad I cared for, Christian, was nine weeks old at the time, and no matter how hard his mum and I tried, he wouldn’t take that 11PM. feed. For weeks, Mum had been feeding him at 5 and 8 and then trying to feed him again at 11, which was only three hours later. Chris was almost 4 kg (nine pounds) at that point, so it wasn’t surprising that he wasn’t hungry at 11. But then he feed woke up at 1 AM. starving. We decided to adjust his earlier feeds. We hell only gave him 50 ml (two ounces) at 5PM1 instead of the 200 ml (seven ounces) he usually took, and moved the 8pm feed back an hour, to 7pm, and only gave him 175ml (6 ounces) instead of his usual 250 ml (eight ounces).

In other words, we took away 200 ml (seven ounces) altogether from his evening feeds. He had an activity afterward—his bath— and by the time he was massaged, swaddled, and put to bed, he was pretty tired. Then we took the dream feed to 11, which meant that now there were four hours between his early evening feeds and lo and behold—Chris took a full 250 ml (eight ounces) at 11. At that point, we also figured he needed more food during the day ~ so we upped his feeds 25 ml (an ounce) per bottle. Thereafter, he lasted through the night from the dream feed to a 6:30  wake-up.

Remember that a dream feed should never be later than 11.  Otherwise, you’re cutting into the night, which we’re trying to avoid, because a feed at night means the baby will eat that much less during the day, and  he’ll get into the habit of waking at night from hunger. That’s backward, we don’t want to start a baby on a routine that we’d do with a six-week-old.


BW solves all your problems p118   https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=54662.0
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Cluster Feeds & Dream Feeds
« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2007, 08:08:20 am »
Hello

I have started giving my 6-week old 2 cluster feeds and a dreamfeed in the evening, spaced 2 hours apart.  (Her normal day-time feeds are 3-hours apart).

She takes quite a bit at the two cluster feeds and I give her a dreamfeed at 11pm.  At the dreamfeed, she only takes 30% of what she would normally take - is that about right, or should I expect her to be taking more?  She seems to sleep through until 2am, wakes for a feed and then goes back down at 3.30am/4am to 7am.

I'm wondering whether I could do anything different to help her go through until at least 3am and then wake for her feed?