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Re: My kid never slept through the night!
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2006, 10:56:42 am »
Hi Gina
One other thought have you re-read the book where it descibes PU/PD for 6-8months, I just had to do the same and I wasn't using the correct adaption I was still holding for 1-2mins, at his age you need to pick up put into cradle position say your particular sleep words, like its OK only sleep time, then put back down straight away, there is no prolonged holding.  As I said have another read of how to adapt technique for his age and see if that helps with the sleep training.
If you cant take it any more just go straight back to doctor and get his meds changed now instead of waiting, why put both of you through all this anguish.  If it does prove to help it will mean you can both start getting back on track sooner.  And you both clearly need to start getting some good sleep sooner rather than later.
In the meantime, lots of hugs, it really wont last forever and we are all here for you whenever you need us.
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Re: My kid never slept through the night!
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2006, 16:30:52 pm »
Just an update - the once a day Prevacid deal does not work as it should. I gave him the pill and then he refused to eat, and screamed his head off for 40 min while I was trying to get him to eat ANYTHING - BF, EBM, formula, and nothing worked.

I cannot see my child in pain anymore. The doctor is puzzled by his pain while he eats during the day, while he eats just fine at night.

My doctor is a pediatrician, whose kids had reflux as well. I tried PU/PD in the past and it was making him more upset than shush/pat.

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Re: My kid never slept through the night!
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2006, 21:33:42 pm »
Hi Gina
I would hazard a guess that because he is more relaxed at night that may be why he eats well, my LO has always taken more when shes sleepy at night, her DF for example was her best feed of the day. 
My LO is in the 25th percentile always has been and during our heatwave summer and again before I dropped the DF was down to taking about 10min BF first thing and 3-5min max for both midday feeds, then maybe 10-15mins before bed, admittedly her DF was 30mins but she still managed to keep steady weight gain, I was amazed as I was worried about how little she seemed to eat.  So don't fret too much they can take a feed a lot quicker than you might think.  The other thing you need not to do is force the issue of eating, when LO first started doing 3min feeds it became a battle to try to get her to take more, which just got her upset and me feeling guilty, she would really start to scream the minute I tried to offer her more or the other breast.  My health visitor told me not to force it and get her upset as this can lead to a total refusal of the breast, I'm assuming this could be the same of a bottle too.  So really try to relax with it and just follow his lead, in-case its becoming a phobia about food full stop, wherever it comes from. 
Its not ideal but he is eating at night so first is to get him relaxed about eating during the day by relaxing yourself, then when his interest picks up and it stops becoming a battle try to cut down the night feeds.
This coupled with changing his meds should really start to have results.
With regard PU/PD, if shush pat works then by all means continue to use it, however past 6 months it can start being preventative of LO's falling asleep, instead of helpful.  LO's do seem to cry more with PU/PD but don't forget it is a technique you don't normally use so a lot of the crying will be him not knowing why you have changed the way you get him to sleep.  The other reason crying can increase is if you don't use exactly the right adaptation for your age LO, as they get older holding on too long will just make them cry even harder when you put them back down.  You do need to be committed to the technique and really stick at it, but it really does work, done correctly I don't believe there is a child for whom it wouldn't work.
Keep us posted
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Re: My kid never slept through the night!
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2006, 13:20:43 pm »
Thank you new mum, I think you are right about the night feedings - he is definitely more relaxed, and he eats very well (*for him - 10 min is very good). He poops and pees a lot, so the doctor is not worried. He has gained 1 lb in two weeks so I guess he is fine weight-wise. The schedule is far from ideal for me, though, especially since I work  full time, but I can live with it if he is OK.

I will try PU/PD again - I will go read about the technique again, and try it. Obviously what we do right now - pat/shush and holding him to calm him down is not working, so something has to be done.

I know I should not compare my child with other children, and just be thankful that he is healthy, but this is not EASY (pun intended)!

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Re: My kid never slept through the night!
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2006, 14:54:31 pm »
Gina-

I wouldn't use PU/PD until the reflux is under control.  PU/PD can really aggravate reflux.

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Re: My kid never slept through the night!
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2006, 17:06:55 pm »
I totally agree with mother of3 its always best to fix the most important thing first, in this case the reflux, which is causing eating problems which in turn causes sleep problems.  With the reflux sorted when eating starts to get better sleeping should to some extent improve naturally both day and night but may at some point still require a little help from you to get there.
Hope all goes well, your already sounding much more positive which can only help.  Keep us posted it will be nice to know how your getting on.
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Re: My kid never slept through the night!
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2006, 01:55:23 am »
An update - we are going to the doctor tomorrow to get Luca tested - he will  swallow a solution, and they will do an X ray to evaluate his upper digestive tract. I am a nervous wreck, I do not want my baby to in pain anymore, so whish me luck!

Right now he barely eats, wakes up at least 4-5 times at night (when he eats for a few minutes - well, more than during the day, that's for sure), it takes me 30 min to get him to sleep during the day, and he sleeps for 30 min maximum, and at night - ooohhh, at night we start getting him to bed at 6:30 and is 9:01 right now and he is still not sleeping....

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Re: My kid never slept through the night!
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2006, 02:50:13 am »
Gina-

I think you mean an Upper GI.  Abby had one of these at 6wks.  They aren't really useful in diagnosing reflux but more to look for anatomical problems.  It is only helpful if they reflux during the test.  I have heard that some babies do but Abby didn't.  But they are continually drinking while they do the x-rays so I am not sure how they can reflux while drinking.  Abby had no issues drinking the barium b/c she was so hungry b/c we couldn't feed her for so many hrs (can't remember how many) before it. 

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Re: My kid never slept through the night!
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2006, 23:19:42 pm »
We (and I mean my kid, but DH and I have been through the ringer as well...) and the plumbing is fine. Sure enough, the relfux did not rear its ugly head during the test, and we will go see a GI specialist in mid-January.

In the meantime, my kid does not sleep AT ALL during the day (the only way he can fall asleep - briefly- is in the stroller, taken out of the house), and he never eats more than 3 minutes.

The holidays should be fuuun!
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