17 months and lots of Night wakings.........desperate for any tips and support

[kirsty_167]

Thanks Mari

I will follow your tips on sat.............im going to need earplugs though as Jakob has the loudest scream i have ever heard.Im sure the neighbours think we are doing something real bad to him when they hear him

The link you mentioned didnt show up? Not sure if its my Pc?

I will keep you posted but im a little nervous as the last 4 nights have been so much better and last night we had only one NW at 9pm and that was it until 7.45am!!! Oh i hope im doing the right thing

Kirstyx

[mari]

Hope this works, it wasn't your computer, It's me, I am practically computer illiterate!

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=80750.0

[kirsty_167]

HI

After 4 good nights my dream of the worst being over was shattered!! Jakob woke up over 10 times through the night!!!!  Both DP and i spent most the night doing wi/wo with me ending up going in at 5am and sleeping on the mattress on his floor)....NOT that this got him to sleep but he didnt scream at least.

Ok so i am so lost...what on earth is going on?? I now he will grow out of this and i know this wont last forever (i hope lol) but its hard when you do this night in and night out on little sleep PLUS work.

Im sleep training this weekend anyway so i know that for a while it is going to be hairy but should i sleep in his room from the first time he wakes up or try WI/WO for a bit first? I think i have to stick to one rather than alternating between the two but which one do i do??

Thanks again for reading my ongoing nightly sleep dramas.

Kirstyxx

[*Natasha*]

Kirsty just wanted to send you ***HUGS***

[macsmum]

oh kirsty i am living the nightmare with u, we have 1 good night and i think i have cracked it, then all hell breaks out.

Emma

[kirsty_167]

Hi

Natasha thanks for the hugs!!! I so need those right now!

Emma, Im sorry you are going through this too, I wouldnt wish nights like we have upon anyone!  

I found  myself today working myself up to worrying something really serious is wrong with Jakob. I was so tired today i just got down in the dumps and got all worked up over everything we are going through.It just seems never ending right now.Daunting,tiring and very disheartening.Nothing i do seems to be helping.   Im not one to feel sorry for myself and i still dont, I just feel sad because my boy isnt resting and sleeping well and I cant fix it.

AND HERE WE GO AGAIN.....10.30pm and hes screaming again....2nd time already.......yes another bad night on the way..IM sooo sad and now i have to go do this all over.....better go sort him out.Sorry for ranting. (AGAIN

Kirstyxx

[andibig]

Kirsty
sorry things aren't going well again.when Sasha has nights like that its usually cos shes coming down with a bug.thats just our experience anyways.sounds like something is troubling him-is he teething?

[Mom to M&M]

Oh no Kirsty - I'm so sorry to hear it. Could his reflux be acting up and making him need more than just Zantac? Most babies very quickly develop a tolerance to Zantac and really need a PPI (Prevacid, Prilosec). Do you hear him frequently gulping and/or reswallowing?

[KellyC]

More hugs from me Kirst.  I don't have anything to add but wish I was there to give you a break!

K x

[mari]

OK, if you are going to do WIWO, you hve to do that, not just for the beginning and then going in and sleeping next to him, because he will just think, well ok then, I lay here and scream, she does that walking thingy and then she'll come if I wake often enough and sleep next to me.  KWIM.  If you consistently do WIWO, however long it takes, he will eventually think, well Mummy is here, she comes in to see me, but then she goes, she won't stay, ok, I might as well sleep then as she's not going to sleep with me, but at least I know that she is here if I need her.  That is what we are trying to achieve.
If you do WIWO and then change to a different type of method then he will not know what is happening, that's why we must be consistent.
Hope that you do start seeing some imrovement soon, I know how hard it is.  Hugs from me too.

[kirsty_167]

Thanks everyone for your continuous help,hugs and support!

Mari I will do WI/WO from today....its 1 hour til nap time-1st nap without dummy so im guessing he wont sleep but scream the whole time....I will do WI/WO and  see what happens.The i will continue to do this from then on, no sleeping in his room.I agree with what you said that he will pick up on all of this,thats why i had to check.Thanks for clarifying that for me,

Last night he slept after the 10.30pm wake up until 6.30 when he screamed again.I went in once and then he slept til 7.30am so that was good.

Today opens a whole new can of worms taking the dummy away but i figure it cant get much worse really so am prepared and ready for it .Once i commit to something i dont back down so todays D day!!!!!! Fingers,toes and everything crossed that it doesnt take too long,he is off daycare until it is sorted!!!!!

Thanks again ladies you are all so kind

Kirstyxx

[mari]

Good for you, get his reflux checked out though.  I don't know much about it but I know that it can affect sleep.

(I found  myself today working myself up to worrying something really serious is wrong with Jakob.)

I remember thinking that there was something seriously wrong with Alex, there wasn't anything, she just needed to be taught properly how to sleep, but it does make you wonder doesn't it. 

[kirsty_167]

HI Mari

Yes i will get his reflux checked but it is so hard as that takes forever to get an appt with the specialist.I got signed off so will have to go through the referral process again. It could be that as the screaming and back arching is all the signs he showed intially when first diagnosed.

Getting rid of the dummy wasnt too bad.The first nap i only had to go in once.I left and he screamed for 10 seconds then slept, only for 1hour 15 mins but at least he slept!!! Bedtime too 2 WI/WO and he again screamed when i left but he stopped and just sobbed a little to hmself,nothing that said "get in here MOMMY".......so that was good

BUT he woke hysterical at 11.15pm and i mean hysterical.He wouldnt calm down for me at all......daddy took him and he instantly stopped...hmmm POOR MOMMY! He had another rough night and Dp made some mistakes but i will go through it with him today.

I guess we achieved getting rid of the dummy......now we have hard time settling him in th enight when he wakes but i figure that is all part of the sleep training right now and may as well do it all at once!!! I sooo dont want to go through this again!!!

Take care all and please send me sleeping vibes!! (millions)
Kirstyxx

[kirsty_167]

Hi

Well naptimes and bedtimes have improved slightly with the asking for the dummy (well grunting and saying "this" and pointing to where it was!!) is minimal.

The NWs are another story......bad bad bad is best way to describe them. WI/WO works fine when putting him down but not so well with the NWs. He is waking so hysterical and screaming like you honestly wouldnt believe.!!!!! There is NO soothing him.Cuddles dont work, patting doesnt work,nothing works.He just screams,throws himself around the cot (literally) and hurts himself doing so.He kicks and screams and hollers like no tomorrow.

Last night he woke at 11pm (a very common time for him) and 11.30pm and then 5am. The 5am was the worse and no amount of comforting helped him.He threw himself around his cot until he exhausted himself.He would not let me touch him or help him at all He screamed and screamed and screamed.He kicked,he hit, and he screamed some more.

This is not a nice phase for any of us and it is so heartbreaking to watch him do this and not want mommy to comfort him.

Has anyone else experienced anything this extreme? (i think its extreme anyway) or am i all alone on this one?

Kirstyxx

[andibig]

Kirsty
(((((((((((((((hugs to you and Jakob)))))))))))))))))))))
When Sasha had her NWs we seemed to go forward a bit then back to bad nights.sometimes she wouldn't settle in my arms (horrible isn't it )but she would settle in her cot.i had to put her in the cot-nothing else would work.
i'm just wondering if this is the reflux (sorry don't have much experience).when DDs like this it meant some sort of pain.i'm not trying to worry you at all.but when DD did this a while back she had an ear infection.she did all the hitting,didn't want cuddle etc.