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help, my 6 month old is trying to kill us!
« on: January 25, 2007, 18:04:09 pm »
Help!!! We are baffled by our six month old and her night wakings. She was a great sleeper until about 4 months old—she was only up once/night and a few times even slept through…but this was all while in her infant carseat, b/c she was a spitty baby. Anyway at 4 months she had outgrown the carseat and started waking more. So we did PU/PD to get her sleeping in the crib. She now goes to sleep in the crib very easily, with one of us sitting in the room in the glider rocker. Occasionally we will have to shush her, but usually she goes to sleep easily without any help from us at all. If she wakes up too early from a nap (ie, after just half an hour or 45 minutes), PU/PD sometimes works to get her back to sleep.

She had been doing one night waking to eat which I was fine with, usually around 2 AM and then back to sleep until 6 if we were lucky. Then she started waking up at 10 PM as well. I fed her thinking growth spurt, and tried to feed her more the next day to compensate, but she didn’t stop waking up. W2S did not work. So we went to PU/PD. For the past four nights, my DH has done PU/PD for up to 4 hours after the 10 PM waking. Sometimes she will settle for as long as 15 minutes, but then she is right back up again. All four nights I have fed her around 1 or 2 and she’s gone back to sleep until between 5 and 6…but as you can imagine our daytime routine is now screwed up and I think she must be just completely overtired by this point, having had such bad sleep at night. What should we do?? My DH wants to return to feeding twice/night, but I just don’t think she needs it at this point—she is six months and 18 pounds, and doing well with her solids during the day. I’m scared feeding her more at night will just lead to more disturbed sleep. But we can't keep doing this--we are all so so tired (including my three year old, who is supposed to be sharing a room with the baby--but she's been coming to bed with me while DH sleeps in her bed. Or shoudl I say "sleeps"! Ugh.) Anyway I would appreciate any advice you can offer…thanks in advance!

How old is your child? 6 months

What’s his/her daily routine? Depends on what time all the night-waking has pushed the morning waking to, but ideally:
6 AM up/breastfeed
7 AM cereal
7:30/8 AM nap for 45 minutes to 2 hours
10:00 breastfeed
11:00 cereal (not very consistent with this one yet)
12:00-1:00ish nap for 1 ½ hours
2:00 breastfeed
4:00 sometimes 30 minute catnap
5:00 cereal/banana
6:00-7:00 bath/stories/bed

What’s nap routine? Put her in her sleepsack, hum a song, hand her her lovey, and sit in the room across from the crib until she falls asleep. Sometimes she fusses briefly, but usually she goes to sleep within 10 minutes

How long are naps? 45 minutes to 2 hours

What's bedtime routine? Time? Bath/stories/bed, usually between 6 and 7

Do you bottle or breastfed?? Breastfeed. She has never taken a bottle.

How much? or how long? About 10 minutes, sometimes up to 20. She is quite distractible these days.
If breastfed.. one side or both?? (at each feed) both at each feed.

How many wakes per night? At least two, and they are lengthy!

What’s your LO like when waking at night? How long is he/she up? If I feed her, she will go back to sleep, but then wake up again anywhere from 2-4 hours later. If I don’t feed her, my husband does PU/PD (which worked great getting her to learn to go to sleep by herself in her crib). For the past four nights he has done PU/PD literally for 3-4 hours. She quiets but never goes back to sleep for longer than 10-15 minutes until I feed her.

When you go to him/her is she fussing or crying? Or is it a mantra cry?  Crying. Loudly!

What have you tried to settle?? PU/PD, later in the evening I resort to just feeding her.

What do you do for A time and how long is it? About 2 hours…we run errands, go for walks, practice rolling, bounce in the jumperoo

Are there developmental issues such as teething or milestones? She is laughing a lot more these days, and loves to look at lights/mobiles…my DH thinks she just can’t turn her mind off and that’s why she’s up. He says as soon as he picks her up for PU/PD at night, she is straining to see her mobile/the clock (which we have turned away so she can’t see it from her crib.) I can't see any teeth, though her older sister did get two teeth at six months.

Have you introduced cereal? Why, how much, and how many times a day? (for LO’s under 6 months)  Yes, always twice per day and sometimes three times. Sometimes she’ll eat up to 4 tsp but usually 1-2.

Do they have a prop? If so what is it?  No.

Do they have a lovie? Yes. She seems to like it.

Thank you again!
Jen and baby Lily

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Re: help, my 6 month old is trying to kill us!
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2007, 18:46:01 pm »
Hi Jen,

It sounds like our babies are very alike!  We are going through the same milestones: solids, sitting, rolling, teething as well as jet lag, and they all make a crazy difference to their sleep.  I noticed my LO wakes more in the evenings if she has anything other than breastmilk (solids or formula) at dinnertime.  I've cut out the 3rd solid meal for now and will reintroduce it again later - it has made a big difference for us.

The only other thing we are trying at the moment is just letting Ella be when she wakes at night, to see if she settles herself back to sleep.  If she starts to cry, we go in.  If not, we just let her go.  I'm sorry I can't be of more help but I hope you find the answers you are looking for.  Good luck!

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Re: help, my 6 month old is trying to kill us!
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2007, 18:54:12 pm »
Hi Jen,

Waking up repeatedly like that often indicates hunger. She might actually need a night feed still - some LOs do for quite some time. Two feeds however IMO is unnecessary, but I'd suggest trying one at like 3am.

6 months is often a tough time for sleep due to developmental things - a lot starts happening around then. To some degree you just have to wait it out, but make sure that LO gets tons of time to practice rolling and such during the day and that will help.
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Re: help, my 6 month old is trying to kill us!
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2007, 19:08:19 pm »
Jenn-Could she be ready to drop the cat nap?
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 05:13:50 am »
Thanks for all your replies! It is so nice to know that we are not alone.

I think she actually is ready to drop the cat nap, but on days like today when she is done with her second nap by 2:00 PM, I feel like we have to give it a try--she just rolled around and moaned for half an hour, no sleep at all. Yesterday she did take a nap from maybe 3:30-4:00, and I have to say it did not seem to be restorative--she was crabby beforehand and crabby afterward. But it seems like such a long stretch between the end of the second nap and bedtime! Do you think I should start extending A time a bit to make the second nap later?

Jessica, I am hoping learning to roll will help--she seems to be starting to roll more purposively now, as opposed to suddenly finding herself flipped over and becomign enraged about it. The process does seem very sloooow but oh well. I agree that she probably does need one feed at night, but two seems excessive. We haven't been able to make it to 3:00 AM, unfortunately--my DH is completely exhausted by 1:30/2:00. I wish that feeding her at 10 or 11 PM would make her sleep through, but it has never had that effect--it just seems to wake her up more.

Michelle, very interesting about the evening solids...hmm, maybe we shoudl try cutting it out. It couldn't hurt, at any rate. So what do you do when you go into her when she's crying? Do you feed her at that point, or PU/PD or what?? I find it so difficult to think clearly at night when all I want is to be asleep! We have definitely tried leaving her be, and in the past that has worked--for the past 4-5 days, though, she's just become very upset and obviously needed some help settling.

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Re: help, my 6 month old is trying to kill us!
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2007, 18:41:36 pm »
I would extend her A time in the morn by 15-30min.  I would not let her sleep over 1 1/2 hours at that nap and then her afternoon nap will be a little later and hopefully last 1 1/2 hours.  Would that help?

I agree with Michelle about the 3 meal.  It may be too much right now.  She is only 6 months and some babies aren't ready for all that solid so soon.
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Re: help, my 6 month old is trying to kill us!
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2007, 18:57:01 pm »
If you cut out the evening solids I would be interested to know if it helps.  I have heard about giving babies cereal or formula in the evenings to fill their tummies and get them to sleep through the night, but it had the opposite effect for us.  As soon as we stopped anything other than BF at night it made a difference.

At night we have started ignoring Ella's "eh eh eh" mantra, but if it turns into crying I go in to feed her.  Last week she was waking 10+ times a night, as of last night she only woke twice so it looks like not running in at every sound is working.  We will still work on eliminating all night wakings!  I have only just started using PUPD and have only used it during the day, because I am worried if I try to use it at 3am it will just make her cranky and wake her up completely.


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Re: help, my 6 month old is trying to kill us!
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2007, 00:14:31 am »
I guess Lily got word that I was complaining about her b/c last night was our best in many days! She was up at 11:30, but DH was able to settle her without any drama, and she slept until 1:30. I fed her at that point and she slept until 5:00. DH again tried to settle her but thought she was hungry, and she did seem to be getting sleepy as she ate until she spotted the numbers on my clock radio and then it was all over--she stared and laughed as they changed and was up for the day. Several months ago I would have considered that a pretty bad night, but now it seems great!

I will try extending A time tomorrow morning and see how that goes. It still seems to me that the morning awake time is the toughest for her (maybe b/c her night sleep still isn't great)...sometimes she seems sleepy after just an hour. I'm not sure if we'll try cutting out the third feeding, since she ate a lot last night and did better--but of course who knows if there's any relationship! Ella's mum, if we do try it I will report back, especially if it is some kind of miracle cure!!

Anyway thanks again for the feedback! hope it's a great night for all...

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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2007, 01:23:22 am »
We definitely found dropping the catnap helped with the nighttimes.  We thought it would mean too long of an A time at the end of the day.  We were wrong.  We have discovered that 3.5 - 4 hours at the end of the day is perfect for him
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2007, 22:06:21 pm »
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Re: help, my 6 month old is trying to kill us!
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2007, 05:50:50 am »
Well, last night she was up around 10:30, DH soothed her back to sleep quickly, but then she was up again at midnight. I fed her. Then she was up again around 4:00. DH tried to get her back to sleep but not for very long--we didn't want her to get too loud and wake up her big sister. So I fed her again. And she slept until 6:30 and had a really good day today--she laughed more than she ever has, plus rolled over several times! The other thing is that she has been eating a LOT--we gave her breakfast, lunch, and dinner solids again today and at every sitting she ate at least three servings. So maybe she is having a big growth spurt?? At any rate I'm thinking that as long as she goes back to sleep easily after feeding, I will keep nursing her at night when she can't settle with DH...in a few weeks if it seems to be changing her daytime eating or more likely when I just tire of it again, we'll again try W2S and PU/PD...unless anyone has any other good ideas???? Oh, and no catnap today and she did great--so maybe her A time at the end of the day is longer than it used to be! Thanks again for all your help!

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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2007, 06:09:25 am »
Hi Jen, the only thing I would suggest is to try to extend her A until nap1 - maybe bring it closer to 8.30 or even 9am. At 6 months, my lo was doing a similar thing to Lily, so it was suggested to me to try and have her down for the 1st nap a little later. That was she is not awake for 4hrs (thats if she's had a short am nap) before nap 2. I've read that as well as the amount of hrs they nap for in a day, its also a matter or having naps at the right time.

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2007, 04:29:43 am »
That's great that she's rolling more  8)  You're doing great!
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2007, 05:16:24 am »
Thanks for the encouragement!! :) Is it wrong to hope that she'll roll onto her tummy and start sleeping there?! I know that really helped my older daughter (who is still a tummy sleeper) rest more peacefully at night. Anyway for now Lily just cries when she gets to her tum because she hasn't figured out that she needs to move her arm out of the way to roll back--we are practicing practicing practicing to try to get her over that!

Today she again had a short AM nap, so Layla, I was thinking maybe we shoudl extend that awake time, too--but she just seems so *cranky* after having been up for two hours! Maybe it's just out of habit?! Or maybe she is in that awkward transition phase (which I've realized basically lasts in some form until they outgrow napping entirely!) Ah well. At least the afternoon nap was better, adn she was in a good humor today for most of the day--it is so much easier to deal with feeling sleepy myself when she is cheerful.

Hope it's a good night for all. Thanks again for the support--it is truly appreciated.

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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2007, 05:46:17 am »
Mine was exactly the same, she could only stay away for 1.5 hrs in the morning but her morning nap was always so short. Try adding 10-15 mins every few days until you get to 9am. I used to take mine out for a walk so that she wouldn't be that cranky. All that stimulation made it easier for her to stay awake. Once she had a longer A time in the morning, she would take this massive 1.5-2hr nap and she was more pleasant to be with during the day.

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