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Offline mollynme

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What to do now???!!!!
« on: March 07, 2007, 09:39:42 am »
My DS is 13 weeks and a 30 minute napper :-[

When he wakes though he is usually quite happy and has now been talking to himself in his cot for 50 minutes and it is now time to feed him!!!  My question is what do I do?? I can't use pat ssh or p/u p/d can I? He isn't crying!!! I am a bit confused to say the least!

Also when I get him up for his 10am feed in a mo....how long should activity time be?  If only 30 mins do I then try and keep him in his cot for 2.5hrs until next feed??  :o

Any advice GREATLY appreciated 

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Re: What to do now???!!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2007, 10:28:38 am »
Hiya, it sounds like he isn't tired enough to sleep any more than 30 mins.   How much A time did he have before starting this nap?  This might be your issue.

You are right, you can't use pu/pd if he's happy.  If it was me, I would get him up and watch very closely for when he is truly tired for his next nap.  At 13 weeks, it's usually something like 1hr A after a 30 min nap but you really have to look at your own LO and make a judgement.     

DD can always handle almost a full A time after a short nap just to confuse me!  They are all different!

Try not to feed any earlier than your usual time if you can help it.

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Re: What to do now???!!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2007, 10:45:29 am »
Thanks for the reply!

He was awake 1hr40 before that nap and should have been tired!!!!  In fact the first thing he did on waking was yawn twice so I know he is!

Have just put him down again which means from when he woke early from the nap he has been awake almost 2 hrs.  He is really tired now!  What should I do if he wakes again in half an hour? try and keep him up there until 1pm for his next feed?  If I get him up and he shows he's tired before next feed should I put him down again?

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2007, 10:51:40 am »
Hmm, see what happens with this next nap.  It will all depend when he wakes.   When you have a short napper, you can't always do EASY.  Sometimes you will be feeding before a sleep.   Try and fit in your feeds times at approx 3.5 but if you have to feed before a nap, ie he is tired and hungry, then so be it. 

Did he stay awake happily until the 2hrs A time and go down quite easily?

Do you want to post your general routine?

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Re: What to do now???!!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2007, 11:02:19 am »
He went down fine for the first nap.  Here is our routine...

E 7am wake and feed
A washed and dressed and play
S 08.30 nap
usually wakes after 30-45 mins

E 10am
A nappy and play
S 11.30 - again 45 mins max

E 1pm
A nappy and walk in pram or run errands in car
S 2.30 max 45 min nap

E 4pm
A nappy and play
S 5.15-30 45 mins

A 6-6.15pm bath and pyjamas
E 7pm bottle and bed

Dream feed at 11pm (sometimes will wake before this)
wakes anything between 3-4am feed and goes back down until 6.30-7am

He is pretty easy to settle at night, it's just these blooming naps!!!!

Do you think he should be on 3.5hr easy or even 4 yet?

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2007, 11:09:29 am »
Ok, if he's waking happily after these 45 min naps, then yes I think trying a 3.5 is a good idea.  3.5 would fit well with him being 13 weeks.  Waking happily after a short nap suggests that he's not tired enough to sleep anymore than that.  Have a read of this link

Is my baby ready to increase his ‘A’ time (incl. 'A' times for younger babies)
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64158.msg476652#msg476652

He should be on 4hr EASY by 4 months, some need a 4 hour earlier though and others later.

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Re: What to do now???!!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2007, 11:17:01 am »
Thanks for that!

Another question though?  Our wind down routine is minimal as he is a touchy/grumpy baby who seems to go from yawn top yell in 20 seconds!!  As soon as I have set the scene and swaddled him he shuts his eyes as we sit, so I really don't shh pat at all! I feel I have to put him down then before he is in a deep sleep...is this right?

Also do you know where there are any 3.5hr EASY routines posted to get a clue?

The only problem I may have is that he is a very hungy baby and usually is screaming for milk after 3 hrs!!

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2007, 11:55:35 am »
Ok, so he's asleep even before you put him in the cot, you mean?  This means he's tired then, hmm.

Is he breastfed or bottle?  If bottle-fed, is he draining the bottles? 

Here is a thread that you were in I think.  It lists a good 3.5 EASY from Suzie. 

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=86573.0

And here is the Time to Transition thread

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63161.0




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Re: What to do now???!!!!
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2007, 12:17:59 pm »
yep...he is pretty much asleep when he goes down and I know that he is tired.

He is bottle fed and has about 4-5 oz a bottle sometimes drains them but not all the time.

BTW>>>heard him after 25 mins - was chatting...went back off for 15, then spent 20 minutes doingp/u p/d with him screaming blue murder...now is still in cot but talking again!!!!! He is an anomoly. :o

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2007, 12:27:02 pm »
Ok, first of all, I wouldn't do PU/PD.  He is young for it, it's likely to stimulate him and you'll be better using shush/pat.   Also you really can't do either shush/pat or PU/PD on a happy baby.  If he's happy and chatting in the cot, you're better off leaving him to do his own thing.  You can't force sleep on a happy awake baby.

Try offering an extra ounce in every bottle.  If he's draining bottles, that means he's hungry and he needs more in them.  This could explain a lot of crankiness.  Also an extra ounce per bottle well help him to go longer between feeds.

I'm really confused as to why he's tired when you put him to sleep but then waking happy after 30 mins.  So you mean at 1hr 30 A time, he's asleep on your knee?  Or does it actually work out later than this by the time you've done your wind-down?   

Let me go have a look at your routine again.
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2007, 12:50:57 pm »
Ok, had a think.  Have a read of this and let me if you think it's relevant to your situation

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=649.0

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Re: What to do now???!!!!
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2007, 13:55:03 pm »
The part that sounds familiar is that  think I may be missing his cues for tiredness earlier on!  With a spirited 2 and a half year old running round too it can be difficult.  Will try and get him up after 1hr15 and wind down in his room for longer.  Also - the part about another feed before nap....is this ok to try do you think????

I do think a longer routine may work for him as he has only taken 40z of a 60z bottle 3hrs after last feed.

With the pat sshh....can I pick him up and do it if he won't settle in the cot?  But then isn't that going to be p/u p/d if I keep having to settle him in this way???? :-\ :-\

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2007, 14:03:56 pm »
You can pick him if he's frantically crying but your general aim is to keep in the cot if at all possible. 

With PU/PD, you don't generally soothe them by patting on the back.

They do the soothing themselves,  you are just comforting them through the crying.

With shush/pat you are giving a little more help by trying to calm them with the patting.  Have a look at the FAQs in General Sleep & PU/PD, they explain the difference between the two. 

why don't you try upping his feeds at normal times for 3 days and if you see no improvement, then you could try the extra feed before sleep.  That extra feed is just a temporary measure while transitioning.  If you were to continue with it, you might create a snacker, see what I mean.

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2007, 14:06:15 pm »
This is what Zoey wrote to me about shush/pat, am sure she wont' mind me forwarding it to you

"As for pat/shh:  Find what works for her - patting, rubbing - her head, back, head - anything that can be done in the crib and can be lessened as time goes by - you can use.

After wind down, place her in the crib (if she is fussing prior to the crib you can start pat/shh on your shoulder) saying your phrase - I love you its time for sleep - whatever.  Put her in the crib calm but awake - always. Don't make her drowsy beforehand - you want her to get sleepy IN the crib, not in your arms or she will always need that.  No motion before sleep.

If she isn't crying after she is set down, step back ans see what she does.  If she begins to cry go to her, turn her on her side and begin to pat or rub, or whatever she finds soothing, ans shh or whatever she likes.  Do this until you see her start melting into the mattress - don't stop, don't take a break during this patting - keep at it until she melts.  When you see this melting, slow your patting down, and stop shhing.  Slow, slower, slower over the next mins or so - watching her.  If she starts up pat faster and wait til she is melting again, then start slowing again.  When it seems as if she is going to fall asleep - stop patting, and leave your hand there for a moment or two - make sure she isn't getting riled up.  Then let go and step back and see what she does.  At this age you can even pat til she is asleep, and for 10 mins after she is asleep,  if you wanted - but keep in the back of your head to help less and less as she gets older to prevent your patting from becoming a prop. 

You repeat this is she wakes early from a nap, before naps if she needs it and night wakings unrelated to pain or hunger.  Always give her a chance to try and settle on her own - which means not rushing in at every sound  "

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Re: What to do now???!!!!
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2007, 14:09:23 pm »
Thanks....will try the pat shh for now and up the feeds for a few days.  He has just had another 30 minute nap and I can hear him chatting again!  Will go in and calm him if he cries.

With regards to snacking....have just got him out of that habit (feeds every 2hrs) after a cough and cold so I don't want another problem!!!!!

Will read the FAQ's though and if I have any more questions will post!!! THANK YOU KINDLY ;D

Jules X