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WANTED: EASY experts for my sleep issues! HELP!
« on: March 09, 2007, 21:07:31 pm »
Hi! I need some help desperately!  I will warn you this is a long one so grab a nice drink and a snack and settle in!

We are having several major sleep (Mommy AND baby!).  In short, DD (Mary, 6 months) will NOT sleep thru the nite – not even close, and the longest she will sleep is three hours at nite...during the day, many times her naps are only 30-40 minutes long and she needs a lot of help getting back to sleep for naps.  At least at nite, it only takes a binky re-insertion and a quick pat...here is some background:

-DD (Mary) is 6 months old and is exclusively breastfed, just recently starting solids for taste but so far, no more than maybe 1 tbsp has made it past her stubborn lips.
-She is in the 75th percentile weight-wise so is getting PLENTY of milk and I have not had any issues with nursing
-She has been on EASY since she was just a few days old.
-I have a 4 year old DD who was an EASY baby (also exclusively nursed) and we had great success with her that I was determined to go the EASY route with #2.
-Mary uses a binky to sleep.  We avoided it for the first few weeks but she had such a strong sucking need we gave it to her and she still uses it still...now, she only uses it in her bed at nap & bedtime but i KNOW it has become a prop (DD#1 sucked her thumb so we didn’t have to even go the binky route with her).  Oh, she DOES not use one at nite after feeds (probably b/c she is so tired) but she does need it at night wakings when she does not need to be nursed.
-Her naps are lousy.  Usually sleeps 35-40 minutes and wakes up unless she’s REALLY REALLY tired - then she may go 1 – 1 ˝ hours.  I’ve tried “wake to sleep” and had some success but many times I end up waking her up and upsetting her.  When I DO catch her in time to try wake to sleep, it did seem to work but now she’s active and rolls on her side, then grabs at her binky, my hands, anything and that seems to stimulate her more.  I DO keep her room dark and her eyes shaded so she can’t see me. Then I end up patting and shushing until she falls asleep (if I stop too soon she wakes up even angrier).  She may wake again and we repeat.  Eventually and most times she will end up sleeping for another good stretch so she is obviously tired and DOES neep to sleep.
-We use pat/shush but I think that has become a prop as well as we pat/shush her to SLEEP, not just to quiet.
-She will not sleep without a pacifier (unless we are in the car which rarely happens during her naps as I try my hardest to me home for those times but I also have a four year old daughter so that makes being home all the time hard)
-We have a great wind down routine – lights low, change diaper, give her the binky, rock in the rocker, put her down drowsy (but, yes, sometimes I DO rock her to sleep unintentionally) and off she goes (usually) BUT then the 40 minute mark comes and she’s up and we go thru our battles once again.

Things I know it is NOT:
- hunger - she can EASILY go 3-4 hours between feeds during the day and at LEAST 6 hours at nite.
- teething – when she wakes after a short nap and during the nite, they are the ONLZY time she cries! She is so happy and content otherwise, and I know it’s b/c she is on EASY.
- growth spurt - either she is going thru a six-month-long growth spurt or that’s not it - she has been doing this way to long and way too consistently for it to be a growth spurt.

Routine:
Ok, I’m kinda stumped here b/c I thought EASY babies didn’t follow the clock yet I see lots of posts here of EASY babies WITH time schedules so ??? Anyway, here is a typical day:

E - Anywhere between 8 and 9am Wake, nurse for about 15 minutes
A – bouncy seat, floor play, exersaucer for about an hour to an hour and a half
S – Usually around 10-10:30am or after she’s been up for about an hour and a half, will sleep for 1-2 hours, usually waking in between at some point
E – Anywhere between Noon and 1PM. Nurse for about 15-20 minutes
A – same as above or go for a walk, run errands, etc
S – Usually around 2 or 2:30pm, will sleep for 1-2 hours, usually waking in between at some point
E - Anywhere between 3:30 and 4:30 for about 15-20 minnutes
A – same as above
S – Usually around 6, for about an hour, TOPS
E – Anywhere between 6:45 and 7:15 for about 15-20 minutes
A – same as above, when she does get a bath, this is when we do it
S – Usually goes down between 8:30 and 9pm
E – Anywhere between 10am and midnite – this is usually her best stretch of uninterrupted sleep
S – right back to sleep after E

Ok, then the fun part for me - she will typically wake up 2-3 times between 2am and 4am, is easily settle with a binky then she will wake up around 5am to nurse, goes right back to sleep until around 8am...Rinse and Repeat  ;D

I feel bad saying this but last week she was sick and slept GREAT (during the day that is) – I would put her down for a nap and she’d go 1 ˝ hour to 2 hours straight for her first two naps and is was GREAT! But now she’s better and back to her old ways.  This is killing me! I manage MAYBE 2 hours of sleep at a time (napping during the day is next to impossible for various reasons) and it’s not great for my milk supply and my overall well-being.  I am a stay-at-home Mom (I also have my own work-from-home part time business though) it’s ME getting up at nite, not DH since we agreed it’s more important for him to be well-rested for his very demanding full-time job...yeah, I regret that agreement!

So, to summarize, how do I get her to sleep thru the nite or even come CLOSE to that?  I'd be happy with a FOUR hours stretch! How do we get rid of the binky? What the HECK went wrong with how we approached EASY with this baby? DD #1 was a snap! She fell asleep on her own, self-soothed, napped and slept thru the nite like a champ! I think she was going 11-12 hours STRAIGHT by this age  :(

Thanks for listening and please help!!!
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Re: WANTED: EASY experrts for my sleep issues! HELP!
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2007, 21:20:08 pm »
I'd say get rid of the soother. I took my dd's soother away at 3.5 months and life is much better now. The last straw was when she went from sleeping from 7pm to 6:30am (with a DF) to waking 9 times in one night for a soother re-plugging. Yuk! When I took her soother away, it was a bit hellish for 3 days straight but I just did shh/pat like crazy and 3 days later she started sucking 2 fingers and is still doing it 2 months later! AND SHE IS HAPPY!!! That might help with the sleep problems.
Oh ya, I did try the gradual wean process for 1 day and it was such a pain that I decided to just get rid of the soother altogether, so that I wouldn't have to deal with another soother problem when dd got older.
Probably not much help to you, but thought I'd put in my 2 cents!

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Re: WANTED: EASY experts for my sleep issues! HELP!
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2007, 22:13:44 pm »
I agree with PP. as your routine looks ok and you believe not to have any problems with her being hungry etc, it's probably that her soother has become a prop. so the best solution would be to ged rid of it.
instead of replugging her soother try maybe giving her a drink of water to get her back to sleep and if it doean't help- PU/PD may be a solution for you.

how does she act when she wakes at night?

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Re: WANTED: EASY experts for my sleep issues! HELP!
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2007, 13:23:22 pm »
thanks for your replies!

monika - when she wakes at nite she kinda YELLS out, not really an upset cry, and it gets louder and louder until i go re-pop the binky...i assume it WOULD escalate to full-on crying if i didn't get in there fairly quickly but i do so to not wake the rest of the house...

ok, so HOW do i get rid of the binky? should i start with naps and THEN go to overnite? should i totally take it away for ALL naps/sleeping? is there a link somewhere on the site that would help?

as far as pat/shush goes - is she too old to go that route? we kinda do it still WITH her binky but will that become a prop if i need to increase the length of pat/shush to replace the binky? even now when she wakes dugin naps it takes a LONG time of patting/shushing to get her to sleep and if i stop too soon she doens't like it and gets even more awake and aggravated! or should i go right to PU/PD? another question - is PU/PD in the original BW book? i've looked everywhere and maybe it sounds familiar only b/c i've read it on this site...is it ok to shift gears like that suddenly with an almost 7 month old? like go right from rocking/patting/shushing/binky to NO binky and PU/PD? again, is PU/PD that explained in detail for her age range on this site?

sorry so many questions but i am so sleep deprived i can barely think straight!

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Re: WANTED: EASY experts for my sleep issues! HELP!
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2007, 15:22:05 pm »
PU/PD is explained in detail in "The Baby Whisperer Solves all Your Problems" book. Here's a link to all the PU/PD information that you should need:
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?board=89.0

When I got rid of my dd's pacifier, I got rid of it for the first nap of the day first, so that she was starting to get used to the new routine by the time night came around.
thanks for your replies!

 even now when she wakes dugin naps it takes a LONG time of patting/shushing to get her to sleep and if i stop too soon she doens't like it and gets even more awake and aggravated!

My lo's is similar in that way, if she wakes early from a nap, I have to do sh/pat for about 15 minutes to get her to stay asleep... but she is a lot happier when she wakes up if she's had a proper nap.