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Am I doing this right?
« on: April 11, 2007, 18:49:38 pm »
Carmela will be 3 on Monday...after looking at the sleep poll below, I realize that she gets so much less sleep than everyone else.  She will fall asleep in the car if she's in it for longer than 20 minutes (sometimes less), so I know that's a huge sign of being overtired.  But I don't know how else I can make her sleep!

What I do, is I don't get her in the morning until 7 am.  She's always up before then (I don't have a monitor on but I know she's up and playing at 6:15ish probably earlier).  She takes her nap at 1:00 and she usually plays until 1:30-1:45, then she falls asleep.  At 3:00, I go in her room, open her shades, turn off her noise machine.  That usually stirs her enough to wake her.  But if I didn't wake her then, she'd be up LATE at night.  Then at night I put her to bed between 8-8:30.  She usually stays up until 9:30-10:00 singing and playing. 

the thing is Carmela never cries out for me, doesn't use any props and will stay in her room throughout these periods.  She's very independent.  But when you average it out, she's only getting 10 hours a DAY of sleep.  Sometimes she'll miss naps, which makes it 8-9 hours a DAY of sleep.  And like I said above, I know she's overtired.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 19:29:25 pm »
If she is not cranky and irritable, I would almost thing that she is getting enough sleep?!?!?

Besides falling asleep in the car, what else makes you think she is overtired?  I'm not sure if her falling asleep in the car after 20 minutes is necessarily a sign...
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 19:33:06 pm »
She yawns all morning long also.  She gets cranky once in awhile as well. 
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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 20:49:31 pm »
Alex is almost guaranteed to fall asleep in the car.  So much so that I avoid car journeys if I think that it will disturb her nap or bedtime.

Alex has a party in her crib for an hour after putting her to bed, and tonight it lasted until 9pm.  Someone suggested she was awake too long.  ie more than 6 hours activity time.  So perhaps you could try a bedtime of 7-7.30pm to see if that helps.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2007, 01:28:37 am »
How long is she up before bed that you would move bedtime earlier?  I'm thinking that she's not up enough???  She naps about 1:45-3:15 and then I put her to bed around 8:15 (give or take 15 mins).  I was thinking that she needs 6 hours of awake time, is that too much?
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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2007, 07:46:28 am »
Could you try an earlier nap and an earlier bedtime?

Alex sometimes doesn't fall asleep until 1.30pm but I still wake her at 2.30 so that her bedtime doesn't suffer.  I then still put her to bed at 7-7.30pm.
When do you have the problem that she falls asleep in the car?
Is it during the morning?  It could be that she needs to be put down a little earlier for her nap and not needing so long as she is getting older.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2007, 13:57:59 pm »
Mari,

I admit she probably could go down earlier for a nap.  I had a problem with her when she turned 2 that she was skipping naps so I moved nap time to noon and it worked magic.  Then as time evolved, she moved to 1:00 and had no problems.  The schedule worked out great because her brother goes to nap at 2:00 so I got an hour to myself and more importantly an hour to get out of the house after my son's nap and before she went in. 

Now, for the past few weeks/month, she's been pulling this.  It could be that she's so overtired from going to sleep so late at night (last night she fell asleep at 9:30 pm and i hear her this morning at 6:45 she could have been up even earlier, but I don't keep a monitor on and she will play quietly for a bit before I hear her) that she needs the earlier nap. 

In all fairness, I DID try to put her down at noon a few weeks ago and she stayed up until 1:30 still.  So I gave up and went back to 1:00.  On Monday I'll try again with an earlier nap, and see how it goes.

I wanted to add though that the few times that we tried earlier bedtime, she woke up earlier the next morning!
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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2007, 18:30:20 pm »
Quote from: TDR'smom on April 11, 2007, 19:29:25 pm
If she is not cranky and irritable, I would almost thing that she is getting enough sleep?!?!?

Besides falling asleep in the car, what else makes you think she is overtired?  I'm not sure if her falling asleep in the car after 20 minutes is necessarily a sign...

I also think she's overtired because its taking her so long to go to sleep for nap AND bedtime. 
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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 19:07:22 pm »
Try a little earlier naptime.  She just might not need as much sleep during the day.  Even if she gets a little quiet time in her room.

HTH!
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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 03:29:23 am »
Jackie, I just posted on the new topic - I think she may be o/t & agree with pp. Try for an earlier nap & bedtime for a week and see if it makes a difference.

I can totally relate to you wanting more Y time. It really sucks here as well as Isabella takes her nap at 12.30 and Jasmine used to be at 1pm. I've had to change it to 1.30pm recently since she needs more A time BUT she only ever takes a 1hr nap so they both wake at the same time (2.30pm). And recently because Jasmine's been waking up at 5ish, she's been waking Isabella up as well so I've had to bring her nap forward to 12pm (the latest). So really there is only 30mins Y time for me as well  :(. It totally sucks so I know what you mean. I guess if you at least bring the nap and bedtime forward, you can have your evenings back  :-\. Thats what I look to from the moment I wake up!!!

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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 09:45:29 am »
Thanks Layla, I read your response in the other thread as well.  The thing is my daughter really isn't cranky that much.  I mean she has her "times" but nothing bad.  So its soooo hard to tell with her.  She definitely does get cranky when I know she's had less sleep though. 

How do you get out of the house with that schedule?  That, for me, is the hardest thing!  I am *dying* to put Joey on one nap.  I'm going to try it when he turns 1 and see how it goes.l  I've heard from numerous people that the second child can go to one nap earlier in age because they want to do what the older one is doing.  We shall see.
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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 18:04:06 pm »
FYI -- I think you ladies are right.  I put her in at 12:30 today and she fell asleep at 1:00 so whether she just needs 30 mins to relax and go to sleep OR she was overtired, I don't know, but at least she was sleeping by 1:00 so hopefully she'll wake up earlier.
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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 18:33:39 pm »
That is actually a great sign that it took her about 30 minutes to fall asleep.  It means she was NOT overtired.  If they conk out right away, it is a sign (for many) that they were overtired.

Good luck!
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 18:45:42 pm »
Oh really?  That's my problem with her though is that she always takes forever to fall asleep!  But I am letting her nap today without waking her (unless it gets insane) because I want her to catch up on the sleep.  I'm sure I'll be complaining at 10:00 pm again tonight that I let her sleep haha
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Re: Am I doing this right?
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 23:25:30 pm »
Lol - the local park is my best friend. Basically after b/fast we go out for 1hr to the park then come back for J's morning nap. After the nap, I have their snack, etc ready so we can go out again (to the park or wherever else) and this time I have 1.5hrs before we have to come back & feed lunch to Isabella. She's off to have her nap and J is with me for about 1.5 hrs. J has her nap and about 30mins later I wakes up from her nap. Then we both wait for J to wake up (which is soon after I) and the rest of the afternoon is cooking dinner, cleaning up and basically watching dvd's for girls (like BE or Dora). I don't really go out in the afternoon cause I feel too rushed but occasionally we do go to the shops or the park (again).

The prob here is that I don't have a car so I can't really go far anyway. I CANNOT wait for J to go to 1 nap. I don't think I'd be able to do it at 12 months thou. She's 11months now and we've started by cutting the morning nap but her max A time is 3.5hrs before she has a meltdown so its hard to think she''ll be able to do 5hrs in a month (although anything is possible ;))

So there is not much to my social life. Its only when I have dh or my sis/mum with me that we can do something other than the park & shops.

Stick with the earlier nap for a while to let to catch up on sleep as you said. Mine always takes 20-30 mins to fall asleep (at night) regardless of the time I put her down. At nap time she'll go down in 5mins but at night it takes her a bit longer.

Good luck & fingers crossed for Joey going to 1 nap fairly soon!!! I think Natasha's munchkin went to 1 nap at 11.5 months and apparently did really well.

Layla :-*
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