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2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« on: May 21, 2007, 12:40:43 pm »
Ben is 2.5 years old and bedtime has become a nightmare.  We go through out routine and then it begins...as soon as we leave the room (depends who puts him to bed- me or dh) he starts yelling either mommy or daddy and doesn't stop until we either talk to him from the hallway or go in.  Sometimes he starts crying other times he just yells.  Has this happened to any of you?  What do you suggest?  Of course dh just thinks we should let him go, but I won't. 

I have a 5 month old that doesn't really have a bedtime routine because Ben is so loud upstairs that I can't take ds#2 upstairs until Ben is asleep.

I really want things to change so that ds#2 can get a normal bedtime routine going and so that Ben goes to bed easily again. 



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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2007, 12:43:49 pm »
sorry, only have a second to reply, but have you looked at the 'gradual withdrawal' technique - there should be something about it on here. It's worked for us a couple of times in the past and doesn't involve any distress to the child - may take up to 2 weeks to achieve the result though.

I'll try and have a look for a link when I have more time, but you may want to hunt around yourself.

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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2007, 12:55:13 pm »
We did gradual withdrawal, but can't get away from the outside of his door without him having a meltdown.  If we don't respond when he calls one of us, he starts crying hysterically asking where did we go.  I'm not sure if he's afraid of something.  He tells us that he can't sleep.  He has a night light.

I'm not sure what's bugging him.  Thanks for your reply. 

BTW- naptime is no problem.



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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2007, 13:45:33 pm »
Have you got Charles in with you?
We went through the same problem with Toby until we put Leo into his own room.
Toby couldn't understand why he had to slepp in his bedroom whilst Leo was in Mummy & Daddy's bedroom - I guess he felt a bit abandoned, so Leo went into the nursery at 5 weeks, and once Toby saw this, he got much better at gping to bed.
We also re-did his bedroom with all things 'Toy Story' and made it a fun place to be so he was happy playing there as well as sleeping there.
Like you, Leo didn't have a routine until we got Toby sorted. Now Leo goes to bed first, and Toby 30 minutes afterwards.
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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2007, 21:58:27 pm »
How are things going Alison?
Have you thought any more about WIWO, or Gradual Withdrawal?

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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2007, 10:17:52 am »
Thanks for checking in...things aren't much better.  Ben still feels the need to yell for us when he's in his room.

Sharon-  Charlie isn't in with us.  He's in his room, but he does go to bed after Ben because I don't want Ben to wake him!  Do you think that is an issue?  Ben goes up to bed and Charlie gets to stay downstairs?   I guess I could somehow try to match their bedtimes...

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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2007, 10:23:56 am »
Could possibly be an issue - I know that Toby goes to bed better if Leo goes first.
'Leo's gone to bed like a good boy - now it's Toby's turn - can you go to bed like a good boy too?'
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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2007, 22:09:22 pm »
Nathan would not go to bed before Alex.  When she was new born, she had to be in bed before he would even start up the stairs.  I had to work her nap around 7ish so that I could put her crib in the bedroom and Nathan could go to bed.
It was bad enough that she was in our room to start, let alone up after he was lol

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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2007, 23:59:08 pm »
Alison I hope you've found something that worked because I'm experiencing the exact same thing with Noah, who's also 2 and a half (little brother simon is 6 months). We've tried going in to calm him down but it just keeps him up - he was up until 10 pm just a few nights ago.
He's got a rock-solid bed time routine and used to go to bed no problem - sometimes he would sing or talk to himself for 45 minutes but he was always fine on his own. Now naptimes are a problem too - but only for me. If he's at the babysitters he goes for naps with no complaints. I think he just wants me or dh to be with him, but we tried that too and he just stays aways for hours talking to us. I read about gradual withdrawal but it doesn't seem like it would work for a child this old?
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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2007, 10:29:35 am »
Deb,
No magic solution here yet...sorry!  Currently dh puts Ben to bed while I AP the heck out of Charlie because he can't go in his crib because his big brother is too loud. 

Dh thinks the key is to stay really calm with Ben.  Ben's latest thing is to say, "Daddy, talk to me about___________."  Usually it's something we did during the day that he liked.  That seems to calm him down and he thinks about that and finally drifts off to sleep. 

The yelling for us at naptime and bedtime was much better yesterday.  We'll see about today....

Any progress for you?



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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2007, 13:09:16 pm »
We did have a good night last night, although I'm not sure if it's progress or just a fluke. My husband was out for the evening and I didn't think I'd be able to get both kids to bed on my own, but it worked out great! They both even had a bath! Once they were both ready I put Noah (#1 son) to bed (Simon in my arms while I sung Noah his goodnight song) and then I told Noah I'd come back to check on him after I got Simon to bed - and I told him he wouldn't be able to call out for me to come back because I just wouldn't be able to come until Simon was looked after. Simon got to sleep in about 10 mins (still using pat/sh on him after 4 months, but that's another story...) and there was not a single peep out of Noah! I went back to his room as promised and he was awake, so I told him how proud I was that he was so quiet, and that if he could be just as quiet until he went to sleep he would get a sticker in the morning (DH bought him some special bedtime stickers that until now hadn't worked). Much to my surprise, Noah went to sleep without another sound. It was like heaven - and it's been a very long time since he went to sleep that well.
So here's what I learned from all that...maybe some of Noah's issues have centered around the fact that we've been putting the kids to bed separately - one parent with each child, just like you - and it might have been causing some jealously issues. Last night, Simon and Noah were together the whole time as got each of them through their bedtime routines, and I think that made Noah feel like he wasn't missing out on anything. Secondly, because I was doing it all myself, Noah got to bed about 15 minutes later than usual, and that might have been just enough extra time to get him a little more tired.
Tonight I'll try doing their bedtime stuff together again, and maybe even bath them together since Simon is sitting up pretty well now.
Sorry for the long post but I hope it will help. It's interesting our kids are almost exactly the same ages and we're having the same problem!
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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming! UPDATE
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 00:39:12 am »
Okay ladies, it's still NOT better here.  I am now putting baby brother to bed at least 45 minutes before Ben.   Ben still screams and sometimes wakes up his brother.   >:(  I don't know what to do anymore.  I've tried going in and getting him settled again, but he just screams as soon as I leave.  It's as though it is a game for him.  He isn't crying at all, just yelling. 

I just hate this because we have such great days and I don't like ending our days this way.  Anyone else having any luck?



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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2007, 01:22:33 am »
I am actually having similar bed & naptime issues with my 2.5yo. Mine was frightened by an electric sander though (next door neighbour renovating) & she was absolutely petrified the minute we walked into her room & I would put her in the cot. I did GW for 3 days but unfortunately have been having to do some wi/wo (with the door ajar) since I've been neglecting my 1yp while sitting with her.... so I am trying to find a balance :-\.

Some of the things that have helped was to get a night light (in case he is infact scared of the dark). Also introduce a new toy or somthing that can "protect him" (again in case he is afraid or had some nightmare which caused all this). Isabella's screaming is more related to fear but that could also could have been the case with your DS?

If he is just yelling then I think wi/wo would probably be better... if you have tried GW... then perhaps time to move onto another method.

Also another idea is to put a picture frame of mummy & daddy next to the cot (above it or on a chair so he can see). Perhaps that would make him feel a little more comfort :-\. This is something else I am going to try today (as well as her paint the cot with me ;D)

I am still having nap issues but last night was the first night she didn't wake up screaming "I want out & scared". She still cried at bedtime & makes our bedtime routine impossible & sad to end our day like that too... she cries as soon as I mention nap & bed.... so I am hoping that will all change soon as well.

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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2007, 11:32:01 am »
Thanks Layla.  Sorry to hear you are having problems too.  Last night he started getting out of his bed and opening the door.  Honestly, I can't believe he hasn't done that before!  What do you suggest about him getting out of bed? 

He does have a night light.  I will try the picture idea.  He does tell me sometimes that a "sharp tooth dinosaur" is going to get him.  That is only once in a while though. 

I had a lot of success with wi/wo when he was younger, but now he doesn't seem to respond to it.  I bet I could go in his room a million times and he would scream each time I left!

Like we've both said, just a sad way to end the day.  Poor Charlie, he keeps waking up because of his big brother!



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Re: 2.5 year bedtime screaming!
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2007, 20:43:06 pm »
I don't know if there is much you can do about him getting out of bed. What about a gate? You could try talking to him & telling him he doesn't HAVE to sleep in his bed but he needs to stay in his room.... really if he wants to sleep on the floor, he can.

Some also get a door knob thingie that stops them from opening doors :-\ but I can't imagine him taking too well to that :-\



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