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Please help. My 2 1/2 year old extremely spirited toddler wakes every am at 530 and from naps screaming.I have babywhispered him, never left him to cry it out or anything, he just does this now. I am reinforcing it by going in quickly to him, but if I don't he wakes up the baby by his shrill screaming. I want to just leave him and go in only when he is quiet ( this did work at another time when I didn't have to worry about baby), but he will just wake everyone eles in the meantime. Just now i was putting baby down for a nap and my toddler stood at the bottom of the stairs screaming "Mama". He woke the baby up who had just fallen asleep. What on earth do I do? Any suggestions or anything is greatly needed. I have used rewards, etc, but at this point I am stuck. 530 am is a brutal way to wake up by a high pitched scream demanding me to go in to his room. HELP!!

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Could you please post his routine. What time naps and how long? What time is bedtime, etc,,,



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THANK YOU FOR REPLYING............i was getting worried no one was!!! >:(

Roaen has been on the same schedule for a long time now. At least the past year.

Wake: now between 5 and 6 am.........used to be 7 am, but changed about 1 month ago. Has breakfast and then begins playing etc.

Lunch: about 1130-12.

Nap: 12/1230 until about 2...snack...play.....etc. I usually try to not go anywhere in the afternoon as this often affects his nighttime behavior ( he is spirited and touchy)

Dinner: 5-6

Bath: about 630, followed by stories while drinking warm milk. Put into bed about 7 or 715.. Falls asleep on his own. I am usually downstairs, he often asks me to stay by his crib for a few minutes.

Note: He used to be okay with me not there, lately he has ben asking me to stay laonger and gets upset when i leave. ???
         Also, my partners work schedule is crazy and has no consistency. Some days he is off, others Roaen doesn't see him at all. Sometimes for many days at a time he is not around. This unconsistency seems to affect him is a very large way. He never knows when he will be here or when he wont. He also often walks out to leave after being home one hour. I am all for a rhythm of the day, and i know all my children needs this, especially roaen. I see his struggle in how to deal with this, but don't know really what to do.

Any help about my situation would be really appreciated thank you.

Melissa :)




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How old is the baby?  Could he be reacting to having a new baby to "compete" with for Mom's attention? 
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Is his "screaming/crying" more mantra cry or true crying. If it is more mantra cry and you are going in to avoid him waking the baby he may be picking up on this. It looks like he is two? He may really be picking up on your worry of waking the baby, which may actually be making the screaming even more prominent.

You may have to really just focus on either leaving him when he is yelling (if it is more a mantra cry) or using WI/WO, etc... to address. I know you are worried about waking the baby, but if you spend two weeks really working on this (with some possible short-term disruption in your younger LOs sleep) you will hopefully not have to worry about this any more. To me that would be better than worrying every morning/naps for months if screaming is going to wake everyone and rushing to my LOs side to avoid any problems, which will be exhausting to you and may cause long term sleep problems for you older LO.

As far as your partner's work schedule, that is a tough one? Is there a way he can schedule time with your LO on a consistent basis? Not sure if he works mornings, night, or all over the place, so not sure if this would work for your family. Even if it was 3 times a week or every Sat morning they go for breakfast together, something consistent that he can grab onto? Also, with the new baby I would just make a little extra effort to spend some one-on-one time with him yourself (I'm sure you are already doing this).

HTH. Sounds like you are doing a great job with two LOs to take care of and a husband who seems very busy!!!!

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thanx so much for all of your insights.
new baby caiden is 8 months, he had a terrible time with the adjustment..thats how the screaming initially started, but for other things during the day. The screaming seemed to then take on a life of its own, and now he uses it in all other circumstances. I am okay with that and can very well deal with it. He is now so sweet to the baby and so helpful, theres no biting, hitting, etc. This screaming thing just came out of the blue... now that I am typing this, it seems like it began when I started dong pd/pu with baby to correct a temporary accidental parenting for going to sleep. Could he be trying to get the same attention in his crib by screaming ( what would be his interpretation of what his brother would have been doing while I was with him in??  ..........little bugger, maybe thats it.
He is definitely not doing mantra etc, when I go in he is standing in his crib wide awake, screaming. he just wants to get out. He is still tired, but he is asking to come to my bed. He used to go back to sleep when I said to lie down, but now he just wont anymore.
Anyways, your right, I will have to just go for it. Walk in/out just had the same affect on him as the pick up did when I did pu/pd. He just gets more upset.
Is it okay to go in and just simply say it is still sleep time, I am going back to bed and I will come back in when he stops screaming??
He is 2 years and 9 months old and is very smart. He knows whats going on.I say this because if I stay in his room at any point I try to leave it start it up all again.
He only started sleeping really well once I  had to let him deal with me not being there after he went to bed. I was nursing baby as part of his bedtime routine as he goes to bed after toddler, and roaen decided he wanted me back in his room. I was busy, partner away working and I couldn't go to him.he seems to respond better when he knows I have said what it going on and then stick to that.

In terms of partners schedule.....there is nothing consistent, day to day, week to week. He used to be gone out of town for 2 weeks then back for a few days, and if you can believe it the time away was easier than when he came back. But as of now he works nights, days, anytime he is called out. there is not one day that I could schedule anything with him in mind. it all causes huge friction on a relationship, and then, of course, the kids. I have a teenager too, poor guy, he is great,has also been a great help with the litle ones, but has to watch our spirited one and does a lot of head shaking. :-\

Anyways, I will tackle roaen in his crib wheen it is happening and just want to know, it is not okay for me to tell him I will go into his room to get him when he is not screaming, but calling me quietly?

thanx, melissa

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He's 2yr 9 months and is he still napping 2 hrs? Would you be willing to cut the nap down to 1.5hrs so that he falls alseep faster at night. He could be heading towards dropping the nap and is simply not tired enough at night (at 7pm) to go down....

Pu/pd is not used for toddlers... its either just pd, wi/wo or gradual withdrawal. Here's the link to sleep training methods for toddlers: https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63896.0

I wouldn't tell him you'll be back when he's quiet. You don't want him thinking that he can only get your attention when he is a "good boy" and is "quiet".

Good luck & let me know how things go
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oops, i guess i wasn't so clear.
i did pu/pd with him when he was almost 1 year old.
he naps anywhere from 40 min- 1 1/2 hours.
so, if i can't just leave him until he stops screaming, and my only option is walk in/out, could you please explain what i am meant to say and how do I go about doing it. it was almost 2 years since I tried that and am not too clear on how exactly to go about it.

One other question, what if my baby wakes and needs me in the middle of this?? what do i do then as there is no one eles available to help out??

thanx so much,
melissa