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Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« on: June 10, 2007, 10:28:52 am »
Does anyone have any tips or ideas on how to reduce the amount of grrrrrrrrrr time argggggggg it takes to get your lo back to bed once you are done the feeding and bum change?

It is not 4.30 a.m. and I am frustrated.  I can handle it taking an hour (dd is just under 11 weeks old) but when we get to the two hour mark I start to get twichy.

Feeding usually takes 20 mins total, then bum change 15 mins because she tends to poop, change her, then she poops again.  Then the remainder of the time is spent rocking her, bouncing her, rubbing her head, you name it I do it.  Which ever method I do works eventually but is it normal to take that long to get them to sleep after a night waking?

She is averaging 6 to 7 hour stretches at the moment which is great but she has ALWAYS taken forever to get back to sleep again.

Dd1 started to fall asleep when I began to swaddle her around 4 months of age.  Will this too come with age and an established routine?

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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2007, 11:04:45 am »
Do you swaddle or use a paci ??? I found something called the Grobag that I love. It has helped my dd sleep much better. She still uses it. She also uses a paci.

There are some mothers that will disagree with me on this, but I believe all babies need sucking time. That it why I am pro-paci use. But only for naps, night time sleep and car rides. I want to be able to some control. :-\ ::)

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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2007, 11:08:31 am »
With routine it eventually should fall in place, maybe she is confusing middle of night with morning?
What is her current routine?
Is she swaddled?
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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2007, 12:06:48 pm »
I agree with peike in that a routine may help her know when it is time for A time.  Sounds like lo is a bit confused as to when play time and sleep time is.  Can you post your routine?
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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2007, 04:16:40 am »
Unfortunately dd2 will not take a paci.  She has a very very strong need to suck but does not grip it to keep it in her mouth. I have tried the tricks but still no dice.

She is swaddled but is a pretty laid back baby.  I sometimes think the swaddle is more for me than her.

Routine?  Hmmm.  Routine?

8.30 awake for the day
10.00 20/40 min nap out of the house
11.30 return and make lunch
12.00 feed
1.00 focus on getting her to nap realizing that she's overtired and its my fault because I need to get out of the house in the a.m.
2.00 alseep
4/5 awake
7.00 start bedtime wind down (seriously overtired)
9/10 asleep

(these days she sleeps between 6 to 8 hours at night)

Yup, its a mess but I don't know how to sleep train with a very needy toddler who cries buckets if I spend time with dd2 as well as get out of the house to enjoy the beautiful weather or go to playgroup.

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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2007, 04:33:52 am »
Seems she is soo badly overtired and she cannot really fell asleep times you try to put her sleep, she needs way more sleep. I dont have advise on how to sleeptrain when you have 2, have you checked in 2 under 2 forum? I think you will get lots of ideas from there.

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?board=20.0

and there is also threads how to sleeptrain baby when you have toddler.
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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2007, 04:40:55 am »
I was just thinking I needed to go over there for a swift kick in the behind. 

I just can't bear to think of going through all those hours in the nursery sleep training all over again but with a toddler needing me as well.

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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2007, 05:21:23 am »
Hey there. I know exactly what you are going through. To be honest, I didn't bother doing anything about Jasmine's sleep (or should I say training) until she was 4 months old. She was more settled by 4 months and by that time Isabella had gotten used to her (more or less). It was still VERY hard and I remember just as I was finished with shh/pat & Jasmine was about to fall asleep, Iabella would come storming in, screaming on the top of her lungs.... "MUMMY!!!!!". Very frustrating.

I would have a look on the 2under2 forum as well but just to let you know some of the things that worked for us.
* I used the babybjorn alot to help Jasmine catch up on sleep when she was at the overtired/exhausted phase. Especially towards the end of the day, when there was no time to stand over the baby with a toddler running a muck in the house, the dinner had to be made and what not.... So I think its ok to help her out during the day. In fact, she was sleeping on me (babybjorn) for most of the naps. The only nap I tried to extend was the afternoon nap. We always aimed for a long pm nap otherwise it was catnaps throughout the day
* if possible get someone to help you out with the toddler. Can someone else take her to playgroup, park, etc... while you are sleep training. Really it only took me 2 weeks of staying home everyday so I tried to get my parents involved and made it that ALL naps are at home for those 2 weeks.
* buy new toys (especially outdoor if the weather is nice). Isabella LOVES water so that made it easier for me. I could fill a little bucket for her and she would happily play with that for a while & I was able to concentrate on Jasmine's naps. I also got her beach toys(buckets, sandpit, gardening toys, pretend kitchen tea stuff)... something new that will interest her & ONLY take them out when you are sleep training. Otherwise she might get bored quickly with them and you son't want to be bying new things every week, lol
* talk to her and tell her you are with the baby, the baby is tired and needs some sleep. That you'll be back and play with her when you've helped the baby get to sleep. Isabella was only 14months when Jasmine was born and there was only so much she would understand but I still tried to talk to her so that she didn't feel left out while she was on her own in the backyard.
* I think its better that she takes lots of mini naps than stay awake for such a long time and be extremely tired by evening. So if you are out with the toddler, try to get the baby take the nap in the pram. Like I said, I only ever worried about the afternoon nap.... (which would be the 1pm for you but Jasmine used to have 2 catnaps before the big nap).

I did ALOT of AP (I BF her to sleep cause I was too scared she was going to wake the toddler up). There did come a point though when it was too exhausting and I bit the bullet and did shh/pat for all those nightwakings. I think if you are serious about her nighwakings and sleep training in general, I would take 2 weeks off and try to train her. Once the nightfeed is done, change nappy, etc... I wouldn't rock, stroke hair, etc... put her back in the cot and see how she will go on her own. If she's fussing and moaning let her be. She might just surprise you and fall back asleep. If not, do the shh/pat.... It will pay off in the end.. I swear ;) :-*
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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2007, 17:47:16 pm »
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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2007, 21:47:32 pm »
Thank you everyone.

Last nite was ruff.  Campbell didn't settle until 12.30 a.m. after starting nite routine at 7.00 p.m.

Soooo today I decided we weren't going anywhere.  I need to get her sleep back up as it seems she is a few weeks overtired.  Hopefully if I can get her somewhat caught up her mood and sleep habits will improve.

Do any of you ever find that when dh is home or your mum or anyone for that matter is over respect for sleep cues and schedule go out the window?  On the weekend when dh is home we don't have the same days as we do when its just us and when mum visits she just wants to shop shop shop so everyone's naps go out the window. 

This week will be the week of Campbell. 

On a side note (on with the title of this post) can any of you ladies tell me what your nite wakings are like?  ie. nurse, burp, bum, swaddle, straight to bed?  wait for a poop?  skip the bum if no poop?  details please.

Right now I turnon the low lamp, unswaddle, nurse, burp, offer again, change bum, poops, change bum again, swaddle and then dance and bounce.  I am wondering if I should turn off the white noise while I nurse so she knows that when the swaddle comes and the white noise goes on ... its time for sleep.

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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2007, 01:26:18 am »
For the first night waking, I don't do anything except take her out of the crib and nurse her and burp her. Then it's straight back to bed. Occasionally she will need a diaper change and I try to do it before I switch sides nursing. She normally wakes up a second time and I always have to change her at this one. So I would nurse her, burp her, unswaddle, change her and then reswaddle, nurse, burp, bed. My goal is for everything to be ready so I can go straight from nursing to laying her down in the crib. She goes right back to sleep after waking. Our night routine is going well, napping is definitely more difficult. I've had a few days, especially over the weekend like you were saying where she's gotten over-tired and we definitely pay for it when it's time to put her to bed. It takes forever. She's also started going to bed earlier..around 8pm instead of the 9 or 10 she had been doing.


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Re: Why is A time so long in the middle of the night?
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2007, 16:31:18 pm »
Well, if my DS was that tiny and he woke for feed, never did DF, it usually  happened anywhere between 2 or 4, he woke , we nursed and back to bed. No nappy change , nothing, he usually fella sleep nursing.
Nights were easy but falling asleep for night , it was hard :-\
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