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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #165 on: August 14, 2007, 19:25:18 pm »
thanks debo620
I know she isn't handling 1 nap well at all, I've known all along that she just isn't ready but she just kept refusing to take a nap in the am and even when she did was still only taking 1hr 15 pm nap.

The trouble is that she was refusing nap at say 10 after waking at 6 so I would give her 20-30mins to try for nap then have to get her up and feed her, nappy change, potty etc and back down by 11 as that was 5hr mark.  So at this point I have just gone for the one nap as I dont want bedtime getting too late with the early start otherwise she was still ending up OT at bedtime.  It all just became a vicious downward spiral and so far I haven't got her out of it.

I will try again tomorrow for 2 naps, I will try 10.30 for 15mins and see how we go.  Currently tho she is so OT that she is having huge trouble settling for nap so unless she is totally knackered she just isn't settling to sleep.  And there is nothing at all I can do to help her settle

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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #166 on: August 14, 2007, 19:34:43 pm »
New Mum - we have exactly the same issue with Oliver standing up in his cot and not laying himself back down, I'm sure it's just another technique for making sure we come back in and give him some (however little) attention but I've not got any ideas for how to change it. I'm sure it's contributing to his NW too as it seems that he gets up immediately as he comes into consciousness, so he doesn't get through all those little periods of light sleep that we all have during the night.
I've found that not going *immediately* back into the room when he cries helps when doing WI/PD/WO, if I go in too quickly then it seems to turn into a bit of a game. I don't think it counts as CC as I don't let him cry for more than a minute or so... maybe I'll get shouted at but it's helped us anyway!

Also, Oliver is the same in that he doesn't do well with more than 4.5 hrs between nap and bedtime - this is why I tried giving him longer in the morning, even though he can fall asleep after 5 hrs A time, he's been having up to 6.5 in the last week. It's a slightly risky strategy I know, but 2 nap days weren't working for us, longer A times in the afternoon meant OT at bedtime so taking hours to get to sleep followed by increased NW and EW, and like you I'm not prepared to give him his dinner any earlier than 4pm so 5pm is the earliest bedtime I can manage. How does she do if you keep her up longer in the morning, is she grotty or falling asleep in her lunch? If not then it might be worth considering.

Maybe Deb's suggestion of reinstating the short AM nap will sort things out but alternating 2 naps and 1 nap days really didn't work for our little one, it was more disruptive and he found it harder to fall asleep at naps and bedtime when they kept moving around. It may be that it works for some but not for others?

I think I've posed more questions here than offered answers but at the end of the day, all our kiddies are different and it's a very long and painful road through to finding what works for them.
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #167 on: August 14, 2007, 19:38:29 pm »
good luck,

we are having a tough time right now with OT as well, Noah is not sleeping well---hasn't beem for about 2 weeks or so
last night he was asleep by 7:30
was awake playing at 5:30-back to sleep at 6:15 until 7:15
but was grumpy all morning
I layed him down at 11:50 or so and he just woke after about 1hr 20min.  :P
so I may be doing a 6:30 or earlier bedtime tonight and I am massively hopeing he is asleep by 7pm and wakes at 6:30 tommorow.
He really needs a good long night but with all the playing he has been doing, it just isn't happening.

momma holmes,
when we do a very short 10min am nap, the pm nap usually still falls (within 15min or so) of normal one nap days, around noon time.
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #168 on: August 14, 2007, 19:56:58 pm »
Deb - whenever we did a short am nap, Ollie seemed to need minimum of 3 hours before he would sleep again and then it always took him at least 20 mins to get to sleep, often more like an hour  :P Having said that, it did get us through a major OT hump, it just wasn't a sustainable strategy for us in terms of getting things settled back down.
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #169 on: August 14, 2007, 20:03:05 pm »
hey guys, I am seeing alot of OT and I feel terrible for you.  I am not sure if this will help anyone, but we have been on this schedule for several weeks now and it is working.  We nap according to clock always!  We have 1 nap days tues, wed, then 2 naps thurs, back to 1 nap fri, sat and sun, and a 2nap day mon.  ( we decided on this schedule mainly due to a play date thurs at 11:30 we wanted to keep)  but no signs of OT yet since starting the transition.  not sure when we will challenge ds again...but if it ain't broke don't fix right?!

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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #170 on: August 14, 2007, 20:12:15 pm »
MommaHolmes
Our LO's do sound quite similar and yesterday after waking at about 4.30 she did 6-6.5 hrs before nap and slept for 2hrs I then gave her nearly 5hrs till bed which put us at 5.45ish but she was already way OT and didn't settle till 6.30/6.45 and woke 3 times in evening before settling for night and sleeping through till 6am.

I think I will try for 2 naps tomorrow and see how we get on if she refuses them again I have just got to ditch them. I wont have any choice in the matter.  I think I might try a nap at 10.45 for 15mins and I can still put her down by 12.30 I will probably only get 1hr15 for 2nd nap so that will be 1.45/2ish wake up then back in bed max 6.30. Should she sleep well for 2nd nap do you think I will be pushing it to let her sleep till 2.30 giving bedtime at 7pm, thats a 13hr day but if it helps get through being OT by getting good day's napping will it help do you think or just cause more problems next day on possibly less night sleep?


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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #171 on: August 14, 2007, 20:21:11 pm »
Sounds like a sensible plan. Am really aware that my suggestion involves a big risk that it could make it worse not better so try safer options first!!

Why not let her sleep til 2:30 but keep the 6:30 bedtime? I'm finding that every time I think he should stay up a little later cos he napped a little later, he struggles with falling asleep at bedtime. It's not like 6:30 is that early, she may still fall asleep even with only 4 hrs A time esp if she's been OT for a few days.

I'm finding that if I keep the length of Ollie's days under the 12 hour mark then he sleeps 11.5-12.5 hrs at night (may still NW but not for any length of time).
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #172 on: August 14, 2007, 20:32:44 pm »
cheers, will do that bedtime and I think a 6pm bedtime if she only does sleep till 2pm may also help.
thanks ladies I'm feeling a lot clearer for tomorrow now, thank you  ;D ;D ;D


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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #173 on: August 14, 2007, 20:36:59 pm »
It always feels a lot better when you've got a plan doesn't it!
Here's to a good night's sleep for all of us  :)
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #174 on: August 14, 2007, 23:49:06 pm »
Why not let her sleep til 2:30 but keep the 6:30 bedtime? I'm finding that every time I think he should stay up a little later cos he napped a little later, he struggles with falling asleep at bedtime. It's not like 6:30 is that early, she may still fall asleep even with only 4 hrs A time esp if she's been OT for a few days.

Just wanted to agree.  My DS was VERY OT after being on holidays last week.  My parents brought him home Thursday night (we came home Friday) and after he slept from 3-4pm in the car on the way home my mom put him to bed at 6:15.  Now, he does have short A times for his age (3.5-3.75h before bed), but this was only 2.25h so I figured NO WAY!  Guess what?  He happily went to sleep since he'd been so OT.  All I'm saying is that when my DS is OT, sometimes I need to severely shorten A times just for a few days to get back to normal.


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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #175 on: August 15, 2007, 07:37:15 am »
Totally jinxed myself with all that overconfident chatter - DS was awake from 9:15 til 11:15 last night!! Screamed every time you closed the door on him... sort of SA behaviour  ::) Woke at 5:30 this morning so had 9.5 hrs sleep last night  >:(
My current theory is that he's compensating for too much sleep the night before (he had 12hrs which is pretty uncommon)...

It's my theory and I'm sticking to it! LOL!!
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #176 on: August 15, 2007, 12:23:52 pm »
AAARGGGHHH!!!!
put her down for 15min nap this am, been trying to get her down for 1.10hr now, have left her too it, I think she is throwing teddies out of cot  ::) dont know what to do she got to get another nap today and dont want to keep reinforcing the idea that if she makes enough fuss she gets up  ??? might get her up for 15mins and try again.  whatever happens I am not going to repeat this tomorrow  >:(


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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #177 on: August 15, 2007, 13:06:14 pm »
Hi new mum, not sure if this will help you, but we were having no joy with 2 nap days, so what I've been doing is taking her out in the car / buggy around 3 hrs after she wakes, if she is tired she will take a small cat nap which is easy to wake her from, if she doesn't sleep we go with 1 nap. We have mainly had 1 nap days this last week and what with teething, I think it is actually starting to take it's toll. Today she took 15 minutes in the car at 10.30 and then went down for her nap at home at 1pm as usual. I prefer to give car / buggy cat nap as she is happier to be woken and by keeping it short it doesn't impact too much on her PM sleep (touch wood). 20 mins+ was giving us problems, so not sure how ling this tactic will work for!

Oh and the other day we had to do the reverse, we were at my parent's and something woke her after an hour :(. I then left to come home at 4.45 and she took 10 mins sleep in the car which saw her through her tea and got her in bed at her normal time of 7.30 / 8.00.

I know I will jinx it by writing it as it ALWAYS happens, but somehow Isabella's day has shifted from 5/6am - 6/6.30pm to 8am-7.30/8pm!!! This happened after a distruptive week away and starting 1 nap days......I am sure it won't last, so I am still trying to get early nights to catch up on some sleep myself!

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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #178 on: August 15, 2007, 13:26:15 pm »
Lily will not nap anywhere but her own bed, as a tiny LO she would do 20Min's max in pushchair and it has been known for her to sleep in car but if you where pinning your hopes on it I could guarantee she wouldn't.  We tried that sunday afternoon, trip to coast nap in car on way home HAH! some chance.  I have also got a couple of afternoon catnaps at 4ish lately but not reliable then just eats into time left until bedtime  ::)

I finally got her down for nap at 2pm today just going to let her sleep, I really dont care when bedtime is tonight anymore.

MommaHolmes, sorry you had a crappy night.  If its any concellation we had several evening wakings, then woke at 1.30 and I slept on her floor till 3.30 before creeping back to bed.  Have no idea how long she was actually awake, all I know is it was too long.  She woke for the day at 5.30am.  Oh Happy Days!

Regarding jinxing yourselves I seem to be getting jinxed at every step lately.  I replied to a toothbrushing post, Lily then stopped letting me clean her teeth, I replied to a 14mold with sleep problem post SA & 2-1nap switch and here I am.  I write how well potty training is going or encourage someone else and Lily stops using potty for week or so  ::)  Lately I'm just not getting the good Karma come my way no matter how much I put out there.  hopefully its delayed in the post and I will get sack fulls really soon  ;)


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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch , thread#2
« Reply #179 on: August 15, 2007, 13:56:38 pm »
Glad to hear you got her to sleep eventually.
The karma will catch up with you in the end  :)
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