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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: Colin Macs Mom on March 25, 2008, 17:15:50 pm
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Thanks!!! Got DD in her crib at about 1:35 but highly doubt she'll nap after sleeping more than 12 hours last night. hopefully she stays in there a little longer at least!
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not much to say, just marking....
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PJ was so tired all morning resisted a nap - but finally fell asleep at 1220. I am sure he was overtired at that point with only a 10 hour night.
big *IF* he sleeps till 2 I think I am going to open his door and that will probably wake him. I have a feeling that he is starting to get into an OT - oops he's up.... 1 hour. yup OT
last time we got into a pretty bad OT cycle it took an illness for him to shake it - he got roseolla and slept for a week. Then it was back on course. I know 11 hours in a day doesn't make for severe sleep depression, it is more of a feeling he is giving me. Acting tired, looking tired... you know.
We'll see what happens. I will put him down early for sleep to try to get a better night from him. Maybe he is just slowly going back to his old sleep cycle - 1 h nap and 11 night. we just need the 11 night!! or maybe he is telling me no more sleep in the day to get a good night? I was just thinking last no nap day was a week ago today.....
Meg
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Surprisingly DD fell asleep just a little after 2 and I woke her at 3 and will try for 8:30 bedtime. I imagine she'll either party for a while before falling asleep, wake in middle of night and/or wake early after such a long night and still a nap but maybe not. Tried to take her to park to tire her out but it was too cold/windy. Plus she's WAY whiny and clingy - really hope it's just the rest of the molars and if so that they come through soon.
Meg - maybe put him to bed at 7 and see if he can fall asleep by 7:30?
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Funny to hear you say a 10 hr night as being short Meg. We regularly get those. In fact we had one last night! Just past 8 to 6 am. He slept just over an hour for nap today. Am curious to see what he does tonight. I assume that he has lower sleep needs only because I can't get more sleep into him. Generally it adds up to 11 hrs total, maybe 11.5. He started whimpering before bed tonight. He was back at preschool after another 4 days off. He was pretty clingy afterwards and would hardly talk to his dad or grandma. Just wanted mommy. I would love for hm to drop off quickly and quietly tonight. Hope everyone has a good night!
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Becky, I know. But remember, he has NEVER been a good napper so I sort of count on the majority of his sleep being at night. So if I get a 10 hour night it is not unheard of for him to sleep 30 min for nap. Now going on 3 years old that isn't as horrible as it was when he was, let's say, 15 months. So I am still sort of stuck in that mode. I know most people get around a 10 hour night, but also they could depend on around a 2 hour nap especially when they kids were a lot younger. Sorry, I didn't to sound like it wasn't good. Just not really good for PJ. That IS a short night for him.
I put him down at 645 anticipating an hour party so we'll see. I am actually a little afraid to go listen to see if he is asleep, but I guess I should if I am making this much of a stink about it, huh? -- yup, still up and it is 730.
I remember way back in the fall when I first started to deal with these VERY long parties before falling asleep I queried the board and we decided I should put him down anticipating about 1hour to fall asleep. At that time I started to put him down at 645 to get a 8pm bedtime. It slowly shortened to be about 45min and he was regularly falling asleep by 730. He was taking 45 min-1hour naps then. Looks like we are headed back to that, so I am going back to my 645 bedtime. Like I said previously, though, in the end it was the roseolla that really knocked the really bad cycle out of him.
I see that kids our age should be getting around 12 hours so I will figure +/- an hour so it sounds like they are fine. I guess you also have to figure in their moods and needs, though. PJ was an absolute bear today. Sleep? or MOLARS>?
Good luck tonight everyone!
Meg
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Ok It is rare for me to vent about my dh BUT he is so not helping our cause...
I walk with a friend from 6.30-7.30pm Tues/thurs & he normally does showers & stories while I'm gone & I do one more when I get home... yesterday ds#2 napped for about 20mins (at 3.40pm) & so needed to be in bed early... so I get back at 7.30 & they hadn't started stories & I could see ds#2 hyping up... so we get them to bed just before 8pm, ds#1 is asleep by 8.01 & at 8.10 ds#2 comes out & dh lets him sit with him to watch TV until the next AD :o (I was not in the living room) & eventually he is asleep by 8.40, but at 9.30 wakes crying (yep OT) & I'm the one who has to sit with him for the 1/2hour until he goes to sleep & dh wonders why I get so annoyed I never get any thing done (& he wonders why the house is such a mess), I mean I've lost nap time in the day & have 2 "needy" children all afternoon now I loose half my evening too. On the plus he slept until 7.30am so a bit easier to get a 12 hour day - I hope.
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Kate I know what you mean and it's ok to vent - even normally wonderful DH's (like mine) mess up. My DH would probably do something similar and his parents always do when they babysit - sometimes they just don't get it. Hang in there and hopefully you have a better day today.
As for us, seems like definitely more molars. DD fell asleep before 8:30 but woke at 10 crying and holding her face. Gave her Motrin and got her settled and back to sleep pretty quickly. Then I heard her at 6:40 this morning (early for her but not horrible) and quickly/quietly jumped in the shower. A few minutes after I got out she was starting to call Mommy but now it's quiet so I'm hoping to even get to dry my hair before getting her (or maybe she fell back asleep?)...
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Hey guys, I am back - new thread already?
Kate, I hear you, not getting any me time here either, but DH luckily hasn't let Zara up too late either.
On our trip, I don't think we got Zara to bed before 9:30 any nights, up each day between 6:30 and 7:30. So, 9-10 hour nights, naps were 1-2 hours and very varying times of day.
Basically, if she refused her dummy and quiet time and is still awake at Hughs PM nap, then I go to bed and sleep with her, while he is sleeping.
Last night, first night home, again, not asleep til 9:30/10pm, up again at about 6:30am. Napped today with me during Hughs PM nap, which fortunately meant she was asleep by about 12:50 and woke at about 2:40, so nearly 2 hours. Put her to bed at 8pm, she finally fell asleep at about 8:40pm, so maybe we will finally get a night of close to 10 hrs...her sleep needs seem to be at about 11-11.5, so I guess if I keep on letting her take long naps, we are going to keep on getting short nights ::) :-[
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we had a decent night last night! so maybe we are also back on track here = 11 hours (maybe a touch more I am not sure exactly what time he fell asleep)
Rina welcome back! hope you can get back on track soon. Sounds like you have a good plan there. I sort of am settled with an 11 hour night and 1 hour nap --- I HOPE!
How is everyone else today?
Meg
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Rina - welcome back, did you have a nice trip?
Yay for the good night Meg! Stacy - sounds awesome with Kaleb's sleep.
So DD never fell back asleep this morning but at least she did stay calmly in there while I dried my hair. Going to try for an earlier nap today and put her in around 12:15 - so we'll see...
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Kate, sorry I just saw your post!
Definitely I have a spouse who is a lot less uptight about PJ's sleep than I am - possibly a good thing LOL - but in the end I feel like he should respect me a little more b/c it just makes ME able to handle things better all around. He has really come round to my way of thinking with the OT = hyper and what not, but when PJ is not sleeping after 1.5hours of playing in the crib at night he thinks it is funny listeing to him play and I am about going bonkers! ahhh And then with no nap or short naps (which is us most days) you really need your whole evening to recoup.
Somehow PJ fell asleep pretty quickly for nap - actually he asked if he could watch Thomas and I said after nap... so he was instantly quiet, which I thought was pretty funny. But I thought his active imagination would get the better of him and he would start chatting or asking for a song, but in about 10 min he was asleep! I hope I don't get myself in too deep here with the TV after nap thing. I don't mind him watching some tv but I would rather it be something other than Thomas and I really don't even let him watch TV every day! soooo if this works I will have to come up with other ideas like seeing a friend or going to the beach...
Hope Marisa gets a nice nap today after an early morning!
Meg
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Marisa fell asleep at about 12:40 and I woke her 2:10 (although she dozed for about 5 extra minutes). Will try for 8pm bedtime tonight.
That's funny with PJ and Thomas. Maybe he won't ask again tomorrow?
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LOL yesterday he fell asleep at 5.50pm & woke around 7.30 but went back to sleep in about 10mins & then slept until 6.40am. trouble was he got no time with daddy & was really upset when Daddy went to work today. He then asked (rarity) for stories as he was tired at 12.30 & was asleep by 12.45pm. looking at the bags under his eyes from the previous 2 days with no naps I'm going to let him sleep until 2.30pm (when I pretty much have to get him up anyway)
Hopefully with ds#2 napping today we won't have a repeat of yesterday afternoon... OMG 2 tired children it was a horror anything I tired to do with them they fought over even with their own gardening stuff, ds#1 really needs time with me when he gets home from preschool to tell me about it (why did I think he was introvert) & when ds#2 is really tired he just wants snuggles... boy was I ready to hand in my notice when dh rang to say he was going to he late... fortunately the 2min phone conversation was enough "quiet" for ds#2 to fall asleep & then things got better, but I can see this is going to be my lot for many months & I need to find a plan to get through 3 hours (& get dinners) without WW3 every 10mins... surprised none of you heard ds#2 screams they were something to be reconed with.
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LOL Kate - about both the screams and the introvert comment. Kate, how would an early bath for DS2 work while DS1 is telling you about his day? Might be a good mood improver too.....then when DS1 is finished his chatting with you, he could hit the bath, while DS2 has some snuggle time?
Last night was bad in our house, between the two kids I was up at least hourly, yes at LEAST!
Then this morning, Zara get up, comes out of her room, and starts the day with "MINE!". By 10:30 (Hugh was napping), I had told her several times that if she keeps on crying, I will have to put her to bed for some quiet time til she feels better (since nothing I was trying was helping) and then she asked me to do just that, so she had 45 mins at 10:30, then stayed in bed with her dummy for about another 15 mins or so, only coming out because she got a Bday present in the post. ::) :)
Then for PM nap, we all went to bed when Hugh did (2pm), she probably took a little to fall asleep, but I think was asleep by about 2:20pm. Hugh and I got up at 4:15pm, and Zara woke breifly, I told her when she was ready to come out to put her dummy under her pillow, and just checked back in after feeding Hugh and she is back asleep :o
All of this over her 2 yr molars, 2 of them started to break through the skin last night, and she is way out of sorts....with a Bday Party in the morning, hope she can gather enough energy and tolerance to handle that :-\
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Oh boy Kate - sorry things have been so rough but hopefully today goes better after your DS2's nap. Big hugs and hope you can figure out a plan that works.
Rina, more big hugs to you too. The 2 yo molars STINK here too. One through skin, two more REALLY close and they have been wrecking havoc on sleep but on behavior even more. Hope Zara does better today.
DD was asking for bed early last night and didn't even want her books or lullaby so got her in crib by 7:55 and not entirely sure what time she fell asleep as i never heard a peep (usually she sings, counts, etc for a while). It's a little after 7am now and would LOVE for her to keep sleeping as we are planning to visit SIL today who has a cousin only 5 weeks younger than DD and they are super close. But we plan to go during lunch and do open play at their gym at 1:30 and the only nap opportunity will be the 20 minute drive home...
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We had a very good time. DD ended up staying in bed until after 8:30 (after waking about 7:50) and we left here 11. She actually fell asleep in the car right before we got there so only slept a minute before I woke her - can't believe she fell asleep so early. Then we played at SIL's, brought them to open gym, had lunch back at SIL's and left there a little after 3. DD fell asleep on car ride home at about 3:30 and I woke her when we got home at 3:50 and will shoot for 8pm bedtime tonight.
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LOL they certainly keep us on our toes.
Rina Hugs to the almost B'day girl, I hope those teeth get better. I actually said to dh that while I think my SIL is very over the top with her schedual for the day (eg 4-5 garden time, 5-6 bath & room time (alone) etc) I do think I need to have a bit more defined activity even if it is that we have set weeks that one gets to watch TV in the lounge & the other in th spare room on alternate days. Trouble is ds#2 WON'T bath & will only shower when dh is around LOL.
Going to hope it is quiet at work this weekend (working both days) & I can do some real timetabling... my walking buddy down the road is in the same place with her 3 &4 yo boys (our boys don't play well, so we don't get together much) but we were talking last night about ending up at the park at the same time
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Kate - I totally get the dh issue! They just have such a different perspective it seems. Aiden was up at 5;30 for the past 2 days after falling asleep after 8. Dh views any advice I give as criticism (and I hardly have a leg to stand on because Aiden sleeps so much better for him :P). So when I try to bring up the issue of early bedtime to compensate for overtiredness, it doesn't go over well. I think part of it is the timing. When things don't go well, my inclination is to analyze why and plan for what we will do differently. DH doesn't want to hear about it when he is working so hard to get Aiden to sleep better and it doesn't go well. Last night I knew he needed an early night because of how he was behaving - clingy, whiny and hyper. He was down a little earlier but not enough. He wasn't asleep until after 8 again and up at 5:30. I was going to ask you gals how we deal with his constant requests. He ends up whining and crying for me, for his blanket, for his drink, etc. Dh has been basically ignoring him, but it is hard to know if we are being too mean. Anyway, he did sleep all the way through last night and dh actually had him down at 6:45 tonight (after a gentle suggestion again by me) to give him more of a chance to fall asleep without being wound up. Guess what? It was the best night yet. He chatted quietly, made no requests and was asleep by about 7:40. We'll see what the night brings. He could actually be lying naked on the floor for all we know :o (I will have to remember to check on him).
I hope all those teeth just come through quickly. I couldn't imagine them causing lo's to sleep more, though! They always resulted in very bad sleep and OT for Aiden. Have fun at the park Kate. I feel like we haven't spent time outside in so many months! We are still buried under mountains of snow. I suspect that some of it won't be fully melted until July! I am hoping, though, that the summer months will result in better sleep, with all the outdoor running around time Aiden will get. It is hard to get much much exercise into him when he has to bundle up in his snowsuit every time he goes out. Sure, he plays outside (especially at preschool) but I don't think there is a whole lot of moving going on. Of course, when he is overtired he will do a LOT of running - usually out of his room, at bedtime ;D.
Have a great night everyone!
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LATE night for Zara last night, we gave her Bday presents, since DH has to work a long shift on her actual Bday, plus she had those two naps....her party today.....6 mums including me, and 11 kids/babies including mine! :P I have just finished tidying up etc, will do the rest of the cleaning tonight, now it is nap time for us all ;D
I am not sure if this morning wore her out, or just hyped her up ;) will know in the next few minutes I guess :)
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Sounds like fun Rina - hopefully Zara is tired out now and takes a nice nap. Becky - sorry to hear that you've been having some early mornings. Hope you had a good night after the early bedtime. I agree - bring on summer and good weather and lots of playing outdoors! Kate - it's hard - I have a friend that is WAY too overscheduled though with times for her LOs like you describe for your SIL. While I don't think that's good (at all) I do think it can be good to have a bit of structure - like we usually go to the fish market on certain days, etc in addition to our set gym class or something. But i only have one!
Rough night here. Definitely more molars on the way. DD was in bed a little before 8 (she hasn't even been wanting her books or lullaby last two nights) and probably asleep by 8:20. She had a night terror around 9:50 and was screaming and flailing in her sleep (will never get used to those - ugh) and I stayed with her and tried to calm her and she was calm around 10 but then screaming again 10 minutes later. Finally had her totally settled by 10:0 but at 12 she was up crying again - this time more awake and let me give her medicine. Then she slept until 6:35 when I heard her call out (quite early for her but DH wasn't too quiet this morning GRR). She's still in there now but sounds like she's starting to get upset to get up. Not sure if we'll go to open play at Gymboree today - is from 9:30-10:15 but not sure either of us is up for it plus want to make sure she is a bit rested today as we have an evening doctor appointment for DH (he might have torn his knee) and then were going to go out to eat and all.
Must run - she's starting to call for me now... Have a good day guys!
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Kate, we have a little bit of structure in our day, not on what activities when, but some times for things, have been kind of forced into it by Hugh, who seems to thrive on routine, so I just make Zara's routine fit around his!
We napped for about 1.5 hrs, Zara maybe a little longer...but I had left the room so not sure, sometimes she just likes to lay there for some dummy time since she is only allowed to have it in bed now.....anyway, I also don't know what time she went to bed or to sleep, or wether she did it alone or DH has fallen asleep in there with her, suppose I better tear myself away from the PC and go and check on them all ;)
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Well our night was not too bad. Aiden was asleep by about 7:40 and slept through until 5:40 this morning. I am really liking the sleeping through the night bit! I definitely think the earlier bedtime helped with that - and the tough bedtime approach we are taking. For all I feel bad when he is begging for his blanket to be put on him and we ignore him, when I checked on him last night, he had it wrapped nicely over him. And he had been out of bed as he'd pulled a bunch of books out and must've been looking at them on the floor for awhile. The best part, though is that we didn't have any crying and this morning when he woke up (he started asking for his music ::)) dh was able to go in and then we left him for over 45 minutes and he was happy in there on his own. Now if I could get him to sleep for a half hour longer in the morning I would be completely satisfied!
Hope your night is better tonight, Karen. I hate those night terrors. Aiden tends to have weird dreams and then appears to wake up and is all irrational - begging over and over for his ducky blanket which is right on him, or saying "I don't want cheerios' over and over. Strange stuff. I think he must be partially asleep when he has those because he does not seem connected to reality. Luckily we haven't had one in a while - fingers crossed!
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Becky DH takes advice as criticism, too. I just don't get it. Ah the ego's of these guys. I tell him he isnt' the expert in EVERYTHING but he doesn't seem to believe me. LOL. In any event, sounds like your sleep training worked well! For us, with frequent requests for things, we always tell him our limits and stick to it. For example his big request is more toothpaste. I tell him from the beginning he gets 2 dabs of tp. After the first one I tell him 1 more. after the second (always asks for the second of course!) I tell him that is the last one. So the first few times he threw a fit, but he started to understand. That then bled over to other requests and he got used to hearing "only one" or "this is the last one" sooo maybe you can start at something other than the sleep time requests and then when he gets that start telling him, "This is the last time Daddy comes in" or "Daddy will only come in one time tonight" or something....
Kate, I feel like when things are getting a bit out of control (in my mind anyway) I really need to have a little more structure. I guess it is easier for me to say as I only have 1 but it helps me mentally, that is for sure. When sleep was going smoothly in the past several months I was very loose with the schedule but in the past 2 weeks I needed to be a touch more strict.
Rina I hope Zara gets past those molars soon. They are rough. PJ told me he had rocks in his mouth! he was talking about those darn molars! poor kids
We have had some pretty decent sleep here. Nights 10.5-11 and naps 1-1.5. I am ok with that. Last night I don't know when he fell asleep but he woke screaming at 3 am and had pooped! DH changed him and he fell instantly back to sleep and slept till almost 8. Hum... I know he is getting 2 molars now so that is the only thing I can think of to explain more poop (in the middle ofthe night??) and sleeping in.
The sleep in couldnt' have come on a better day because we are going to see the Dan Zanes concert today at 11am. We are taking.... wait for it.... the BUS!!! that might be better than the concert. We do live in the city but most of the time we walk to where we want to go or take the car for big outings to the grocery or to Target... so the bus is still exciting. Con't know what that will do to sleep today, but when we got the tickets I knew it would mess up sleep so I am prepared for it!
have a fun day everyone!
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Things have been really weird here. DD has had a bunch of days where she's either slept REALLY well at night (like 12 hours or more straight) and napped for 1.5 hours or been up a lot at night. Almost like one day she'd get over 13 hours total in 24 hours and then have too much sleep so the next day not need much. But think it's teeth related as another molar broke through (so now two are through) and another feels like it's right there. Then yesterday, after no nap on Sunday (but sleeping until 10am (!) that day) she got 10.5 hours at night and then refused nap yesterday. She was asleep at about 8 last night (after going in at 7:30) and woke at 7:20 today and will try for a nap around 12:45 or so I think.
Have fun at the concert Meg! Hope everyone is well.
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Hi everyone!
I am really struggling to get a nap and reasonable bedtime in at the moment. DS is currently waking at about 7.30, napping about 1.30. I let him have an hour max which makes him very grumpy when he gets up and then its 8.30 or later before he goes to bed. I'm finding the later bedtime a real struggle, especially as he seems to be very clingy and needs us to stand outside the door and shh him every time he says "mummy". The whole bedtime routine is taking almost an hour from going up to finally falling asleep. I know I shouldn't complain if he is sleeping quite well at night but I could really do with him going to bed a bit earlier as I have school work to do in the evening when he goes to bed (I'm a teacher). Do you think cutting the nap out would lead to nws? Or when you get into this messy transition is it best just to go for cutting the nap. i know when we went from 2-1 it got messy for a while and someone advised me to just cut the am nap rather than trying to fit 15 mins in. It worked well. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. DS is nearly 2.5yrs.
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I assume everyone else had trouble getting on the boards for the past several days?
Well, things have really gotten weird here again wth sleep. Seems like PJ and Marisa are quite similar where it is like he banks sleep or something then won't sleep. I have gotten a nap out of him everyday but with a lot of work and some of them have only been 40 min. Then he is up until 830 at nght on a 45 min nap? seems that he will have a day where he sleeps 13-14 hours then the next day 10 hours is too much. I just don't get it. I know he is still teething those 2 molars that he was working on that last 2 weeks. He is a very slow teether so I guess that could be it.
We are gearing up for our crazy April. Our first round of guests arrive this weekend. I am not looking forward to dealing with PJ's sleep when we have guests. If he doesn't nap he will be asleep by 6:30 at night and that is no fun with guests, but if it takes him 30-45 min to fall asleep just to get a 45 min nap what the heck is the point? But on those days he will at least be up until 8 which would be important with the friends and family visits... I just don't know what to do.
Cath I think that a lot of children go through sleep distrubances, periods of no naps and struggling with falling asleep/staying asleep at night in the second year. It does really put a hamper on your relaxing evening, doesn't it? I am also tempted to cut out that nap, but in the end I know at this age he really needs it. I think knocking off a nap for MOST kids before 3 is too early. Just my opinion. You will see on this thread (the archived one, actually) there is someone who had good success with dropping the nap at just before 2.... All babies are unique, you have to go with your gut on that one. If you do cut out the nap I would pull bedtime really forward for a while and expect night wakings at first. If it goes too crazy with night wakings and tantrums I would say he probably still needs that nap.
good luck
Meg
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Hey everyone. Last night I completely lost it with Zara. We have been limiting her to 1 hr nap, and she STILL can't go to sleep until about 9:30am,, and she is waking in the AM at 6:30/7. But she won't stay in her room, keeps waking Hugh etc. It is driving us absolutely bananas. So DH said that from today, he wants NO NAP. No questions. I agree that it will probably be OK for Zara, but for me, it will make things a little tough. It is still hot where we live, I have dogs that NEED daily walks, and the only time it is really cool enough to walk them is around 5pm, and I am soooo worried she will fall asleep in the pram and that things will be even worse. I will use the bike trailer, not the stroller, because in that she has to sit totally upright, and tends to take toys to play with etc......
Wish me luck please
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Good luck Rina - keep us posted. What about limiting Zara to just 45 minutes or even 30 minutes and trying that for 1-2 weeks first?
Meg - these kiddos are crazy I tell you. But it's definitely partially teeth here - top right and bottom left molars through and bottom right cutting now. Thank goodness for Motrin on a day like today... Try to just enjoy your guests and go with the flow. So if you put him in his crib and he doesn't nap will he at least stay in there a while? Same at night? If so, then try that!
Cath - will he take a nap any earlier than 1:30? Like 1 even? Maybe try limiting to 45 minutes and see if you can get bedtime better before cutting it out totally?
DD napped today at 12:45. Tried to wake her at 2:15 but it took till almost 2:30. Will get her in bed by 8:15 tonight.
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I guess the fact that I've been consistently whining on the toddler sleep board for the last month makes me eligible to join in on the support thread?
DD1 will be 3 in July. She's always been a fab sleeper but a bit of an early riser. She has for the last month been dropping her nap for several days in a row and then goes back to napping for several days... I think she does need the sleep, but for whatever reason, she's decided she doesn't. After three days of no-nap, we're both pretty worn out. She is hysterically happy one minute and tantrum-ing the next.
She sleeps 10.5-11 hours at night and 2 hours for nap. I've tried playing with nap times, offering my bed for naps, offering quiet time instead (but then she yells out after 10 minutes that she's done with quiet time and ends up waking her sister), earlier bed time (but she just lays awake talking until the usual 7:30 bedtime)... Nothing works to get her to nap or to make up for that lost sleep. It's like she will either nap or not nap, regardless of the circumstances. I'm sad to see it go, but I don't know if there is anything else I can do to encourage her to sleep. If she does nap, she has no trouble falling asleep at 7:30, even if she's napped until 4:30, and that's why I'm convinced she needs it.
Because I'm worn out and used to having 'me' time (doing chores and surfing BW ;) ) I've been offering her books and her Franklin DVDs to watch. I feel a little guilty for this, since I could probably find some more toddler-friendly activities, but TBH I really don't have the energy. How does everyone else quietly entertain their toddler during nap time so as not to wake their younger children?
Thanks in advance!
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Karen, she has had many days of naps that were shorter than 1 hr, (ie 45 etc) and STILL won't go to sleep til late. The other problem is, she won't nap either, unless I lay with her, we were really pushing for the nap by me doing that....and since I can't do that til Hughs nap time, which is 1:302ish, she is simply waking too late.
9:30 is the earliest sleep time we have had in weeks, many have been more like 10:30pm, which is totally not suitable in our family, that is a late night even for me!
Quiet time here is done together, my DD does not play well independantly, and I have absolutely no me time in my entire day, so sorry I can't help more on that.
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Well, we had a long sleep day. Slept 11 hours last ngiht and 1.5 for nap. And fell asleep quickly for nap today. I happened to have given him tylenol at 830 this morning.... but nap was at 1245.... maybe it helped? I got a glimpse of a bottom molar that I didn't know he was working on. SO that makes 3 molars at once. the fourth came in a couple months ago.
Yes PJ will stay happily in his crib awake if I don't rock him. The only way he will nap at this point (MY FAULT TOTALLY) is through rocking or in the car unless it is very late in the day - like 3 pm To get a nap at a decent hour and falling asleep for bedtime at a decent time (I am with you Rina!) I rock him to sleep at 5.5 hours after he wakes for the day. It really varies as to how quickly he will fall asleep then. I am really hoping that this will go at least until he's 3. then I am guessing we are going to be done with nap. We are moving right around the time of his 3rd bday and I know it will just make his sleep wack.
Rina, how was your day? and what time did she fall asleep?
I don't think that sticking in a dvd for quiet time is all that bad or giving her a stack of books. We don't do a lot of tv/computer so a stack of books would work for us, but honestly, you need to save your sanity. I would see if she would go for a stack of books and some soft music in her room?
Good luck tonight everyone!
Meg
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Glad to see the board is on again! It is very late, I am very tired but wanted to post a quick note. We had been having great success with Aiden. He slept through a few nights in a row and he was sleeping until a decent hour in the morning. He was even tolerating normal bedtimes! But he got sick poor fella. Fever early Monday morning, vomiting that afternoon and higher fever (103) and now cold symptoms. Sent him to school Tues and hew as sent home after his nap with fever back. Tried again today (he tends to be better in morning) and he was sent home at 2. Now he is sick and irritable/grumpy. Last night's sleep was not great. DH had to go out so I had to do bedtime. Monday night he fell asleep in my arms on the couch. Last night I tried to do the whole routine as dh does but he screamed blue murder when I left the room. It sounded like he was being eaten alive! So in I went and patted his bum. Took an hour grr!. He was up through the night and early (5:30) in the morning. He barely napped today and fell asleep better for dh but woke at 9:30 pretty unhappy. Think it will be along night. WIll probably have to keep him home tomorrow but I know he will be okay in the morning. I have SO much work to do (am a graduate student with exams and papers due next week). Feel like a bad momma already for sending him today although he was really quite happy and energetic once he finally woke up and got over his grumpies. Wonder if I can get him to watch TV for the entire day :P.
I haven't looked through the new posts but will try to get to them tomorrow to see how you all are doing.
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Today isn't going too well at all. Zara wanted to watch a movie (spot) while Hugh was napping in the PM. Here is a photo taken at 3pm..... :P
Have tried talking to her and she didn't wake, will give her another 5 mins (so about 15 total) and then will try waking her by actually touching her :-\
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Oh, Rina! that is too precious. You need to send that to DH to show him how rough it is to not let her nap. Ack! what can you do now? She does look yummy, though, doesn't she? I want to curl up in front of the tv, too!!
Hope Aiden gets his sleep back. Right when things were going so well they go and get sick on you. humpf.
Well, have to admit, I haven't got the slightest idea when PJ fell asleep last night or woke up. I was guessing he had a 10.5 hour night, but he fell asleep within about 5 min at nap time and at 5.5 hours awake time, so I think my guess was off. I think I was probably off by about a hour!! He usually only drops off quickly if he gets less than 10h at night. He slept just over an hour.
Have a good day everyone!
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Cute picture of Zara! She's beautiful, gotta love a sleepy LO pic.
Maren is at daycare today, so she'll probably nap for sure ::) . She woke up at 5:35 this am but went back to sleep with some coaxing by DH (I'd been up twice already with Hayden) until Hayden woke her up at 6:45.
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She is gorgeous, yes, so thanks for the compliments.
She ended up having 20 mins, still put up a bit of a fight at bedtime, but was alseep by about 8:30, which is a huge improvememnt - unfortunately, she played and played for an hour to be asleep by that time, and DH had to stay with her because she wouldn't stay in the room (when she is actually tired when we put her to bed, staying in her room is not an issue).
So, had about a 10.5 night last night, longest she has had in AGES, so you would think that no nap today would be easier. BUT we are going out for dinner tonight, so are thinking maybe she SHOULD nap, because it will be a late night. Then we are going away for a few days, and same story, will be eating out in the evenings, so now we don't really know what to do......
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AWWWW love that picture Rina! Hope today goes well.
Rough day here. DD woke at a little after 7 - probably about 10.5 hour night or just over. Seemed tired for her nap but totally refused it and then had a huge mushy poo (damn molars) and that was it. She was actually hanging in there ok but then was watching Mickey Mouse while I was finishing getting dinner ready and DH was on the phone. She was excited and laughing and fell off the couch and hit her head. Luckily I think she's OK but is a little banged up and was pretty upset so of course that ruined dinner. But we were still able to get her calmly in bed at 7:30. It's a bit before 8 now and a few minutes ago she was still babbling away to teddy (bumped my head, ice, that's ok, Don fixing lights come back later...).
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aww cute that she is processing her day....Zara doesn't do that yet, maybe she wont', she only seems to talk if there is an actual need....
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Rina that photo is so precious she is such a cutie. DH's mum has a photo almost identical of DH like that but he actually fell asleep with his sandwich in his mouth.
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Rina - DD doesn't STOP talking LOL!
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Rina - Zara is such a cutie! Just skimmed through the postings to try to catch up on everybody. Don't you love when they chat away alone about their day? I am relieved to say that Aiden slept over 11 hours straight last night - his best night in ages. Relieved because things were awful there for awhile. I mentioned he got this stomach virus then what seems to be a cold. He has been feeling awful all week. The night before last was a horrible night. He screamed at bedtime and was up all through the night. It is hard because we had been working hard on his independence at night. DH tried to continue that when he woke but it was over 1.5 hrs of him not settling. Eventually I went in and slept with him, patted his bum to settle him. He was complaining of a sore tummy. I would try to leave after he was in a deep sleep (his bed is so small) but he would wake 45 to 60 minutes later and scream for me again. Was up at 5:30 for the day and in a horrible mood. Kept him home from school which was hard because I have so much work right now (I know, so why am I on here?). Anyway, he watched TV much of the day and laid around on the couch. Slept over 2 hrs for his nap (broken as he woke in the car after 30 minutes, then a few more times as he slept on the couch. Anyway, after all that he went to sleep by 7:20 ish without a peep and woke at 6:40 saying hello? at his door. So happy! Back to school for him today.
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UGGGGHHHH. No nap again today. Both her cheeks are bright red, she's got purple bags under her eyes, she's being fairly disagreeable (with moments of cuteness interspersed in between), but she is refusing to even entertain the notion of quiet time, let alone nap. I've had it. I need a break. :(
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I knew she was tired! She's fallen asleep on my bed, almost mid-yoga-pose. It's late in the day, but it won't mess up the night, and we BOTH needed for her to sleep! :) Whew!
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I am feeling your relief. Amazing what the sight of closed eyes will do.
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No kidding! Now I have to wake her up!! Just noticing she's 2 days older than your Aiden!
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She's quite a little doll! That photo is precious. It's hard to wake them up but much better than OT!
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Hey everybody, we are I think having some oT issues at the moment moslty related to Noah just not falling asleep.
part of this is the transiton to a big boy bed so my current plan is early nap, early to bed but even that is at times difficult.
he's only done 10hrs the last two nights even with naps limited to 1.5hrs.
I also am trying hard to keep this somehwhat ahead with the time change ie close to an 8pm bedtime.
so last night was asleep 8:30-6:30
nap at 12:45-2:20
bed at 7:45-------so maybe this is where we went wrong, I was hopeing he would be asleep by 8:15 or so. should of maybe had him in bed for 7:30 but he is such a good staller these days.
ha! it is 9pm and he is not sleeping yet, this is by far the worst night with him actually out of his bed and at the door twice. aaargh!
we are in for some awful NW or very short night tonight.
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we are also in the middle of.........something. PJ hasn't fallen asleep until 9 pm for 2 nights now and had very fitful sleep, woke up saying he 'had a bad nap' at only 9.5 hour sleep. After short of night (for him) he took 30 min to fall asleep for nap pushing it back to 130 and slept till 235-245 both days. Not long but definitely too late in the day for him. I can't seem to get him to fall asleep much earlier than 1 these days so I was preparing myself for later evenings of like 8-830 vs 730-8 but this 9pm thing and then up early the next day just isn't working for us.
At this point I really don't have a choice about what to do = we have out of town guests and have a full day ahead of us, don't think there will even be a chance to offer a nap! and then they are here for dinner (they are staying in a hotel) so I don't know what I am going to do with PJ boy. He is starting to become very clingy and it is only 745am...
Sooo in the long run I wonder if he is dropping his nap, going through a phase, or just adjusting his sleep needs. Just 2 weeks ago he was sleeping a lot along with taking forever to fall asleep.... but still sleeping a lot. I feel he is too young to go with out and most of he cues say he isn't dropping but the glaring cues that he IS dropping are there. 1) won't fall asleep until late in the day 2) affects bedtime. I might be at the point of shortening his nap to 45 min or maybe an hour, but I would have thought on a 9.5 hour night a 1h15 min nap wouldn't be too much!!
Sorry no real time for respones, just venting. I did read everything and know I am thinking of you all!
Meg
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Stacy, are you renovating?
we had an awful night and I am sure Mike is having an awful day!!
well actually the night was ok, slept 8hrs straight but that was it. so yup, asleep at 9:30 and slept til 5:30, stayed in his room with some reinforcement til after 7----hopeing he would go back to sleep but no luck.
DH has tried all morning to get him to take a catnap in his room or in the car etc. nothing...not sure what he was thinking but he just layed him down at 12.
I am thinking he will most likely wake from an OT nap....even if he sleeps 2hrs...what the hell time does he go to bed?
will post back later for some advice Stacy!
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ok, so he probably slept 12:20-til 2:10 or so. Dh actually woke him 1hr45min nap. I think I may have opted to let him sleep 2hrs....but who knows what is best!
do you guys think bed a little after 7 will work out? it is earlier then I want but who knows when he will actually go to sleep.
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well Dh layed him down at 7:10, he was alseep a little before 8.. so at least earlier then yesterday. he didn't play the same game of in and out of bed...so hope thats a good sign! but more then likely we will have a NW tonight.
I think I would have done an earlier longer nap as well, but I was at work and so it was up to Mike. didn't think Noah would catnap in bed...but I wold have sure though the car for a few min this am anyhow??
that renovation sounds like alot of fun!!! (well at least you will have a new basement LOL)
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LOL ladies I'm not even going to go into what has been happening around here, suffice to say a trip (8 hours drive away) for the weekend (3 nights away in 2 different places) for dh Graduation (Masters of Commerce) with all 3 Grandparents & the change over after daylight saving (to winter time here) has us all over the shop even more than before.
This is the last week of term before a 2 week break from preschool, which means routine will be even more out the window as we catch up with all the school aged friends & family & have a busy crazy time. But hey this doesn't last forever!
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hmm, another 10hr night here...
slept just before 8 til 6am, in room with him knocking at his door a few times til 7am......
so everything is early again today,so much for keeping an 8-7 routine for the summer..
what can I do today to allow for not OT at bedtime without letting him nap too long....so what if I give him his nap maybe 12:15 and wake before 2, bed at 7:15 or so.....maybe asleep by 8 but hopefully not as OT as yesterday???
I just get so confused with EW...yes I could adjust his whole routine to 1 hr earlier for the 6am wake but isn't that just going to move things back again.
sorry not so much about dropping his nap LOL...seems his night are just not solid or long enough...
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Hey all! DD has still been doing a good nap some days, no nap other days. And these molars and whatever other developmental stuff has been making some naps screwy and her behavior pretty screwy much of the time. But I'm REALLY hoping she naps today - she and I both need it. She woke at about 7:30 today so will have her in her crib by 1 and hope for the best...
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And Stacy - DD LOVES home improvement stores. She often behaves better/has more fun in those than in typical kiddie places. Last weekend she spent over two hours with us in a furniture store and had a blast playing with the fabrics and all. LOL
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thanks Stacy, that routine would also work well.
not to sure what Noah's awake times are on two hour naps though.
so here was today:
wake 6, in room til 7
room 12, asleep by 12:20 or so
slept til 2 when I woke him,
was ok all afternoon really so I figured 7:30 for bed after a long windown etc...
problem now is that he is knocking at his door, he can't get out...but I've already put him to bed 2x and I hope he eventually goes back to bed on his own!
probably on a 2nd wind....or that length of nap just not going to work?
dammit, should of just woke him after 1.5hrs and put him to bed a bit earlier....gosh we are messed up!
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Hi ladies, I read everyday. Loved the pic of Z, bless her. I'll share our napping world in order to help anyone out, I hope. :-*
N doing well, naps most days but not at all on the days he wakes past 7:45am, (or he would but like at 2:30, no way!) which is fine, he is good with just the chill out for an hour in our room (I've been letting him nap in our room since Feb.never asks at bed to go there thankfully) and put to bed 12 hours from wake. He is dealing with things well, mainly due to fine weather now. So he is out and about and very busy. This helps with keeping the grumps away and also making him tired for the nap and bed. 8)
I basically never let him sleep past 2:15-2:30 no matter what the start time was. We have also had a nap last week in the buggy for an hour, he fell asleep after waking at 8am at 12:15 :o so I covered him with a blanket and he was great when he woke up. I was still able to get him off to bed at 7:30ish as he had been awake since 1:15, so no struggle. He fell asleep on Sat in the car on the way home and woke up with the transfer, which before he never would of woke, so that was weird, he was a bit miserable, but no more so than how he is sometimes when I have to wake him from nap, he just cries and needs me to cuddle him for about 10 min and then he snaps out of it. I still hate waking him..grrrr.
I had a bit of a power struggle today (temper tantrum-ish IYKWIM) as he did not want to go inside, we did lunch outside and then he was like: "No nap, no rest Mummy, it morning, look sunny, no tired, pleeeeeease stay outside...." It went on. I just dealt with it how I would with other situations where he doesn't want to do what I am suggesting. I explained to him that we all have to go inside and rest, I told him the squirrels, the birds, the neigbourhood kids, the bulldozer man, ::) everyone needs to take a break, so they can be strong and able to play again and not feel grumpy. Then I told him that he didn't have to sleep, he could read, play or watch TV in the room, but either way, we were going in. He went in protesting, but as soon as we were indoors he asked if he could have some water and a granola bar. He took it to our room and I put on Little Bear. He asked me to come and rest too and I said ok and lay beside him for 5 min and he asked me to open the granola bar and then I said ok, when I offered it to him, he said no thanks... ::) then I said I had to go do the dishes and he didn't answer, I snuck back 5 min
later and peeked in and he was sound asleep. When he woke I asked him if he slept well and he said with a very enthusiastic Uh huh! Then I reminded him again that resting is good for everyone, even the bulldozer man! LOL! So will see tomorrow how it goes. All in all, so far so good touch wood.
HTH,
A x
ps. ETA: the days we don't nap and only rest or if he was to only do a half hour in the car lets say, I would do supper for him early at 4:30, and then make that a chill out time for him from 5-6pm which is great as I can putter in kitchen etc... and just leave him quietly on his own playing. Then he could eat again with DH and I or have snack before bed. This has helped us through the evening hours A LOT!
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I think the bed is definately a part of it...but he doesn't do that at nap time so I'm not sure...he also wakes from his nap all proud saying "I nap bed"....
so I think I really should treat this as OT but I don't know how...
Mike finally had to put him to bed and he says he is now quite tired and rubbing his eyes.. quiet at 8:15 so we will see what the night and morning brings...
LOL Aisling, good explaining...
oops just heard him talking again at 8:25...
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Today was interesting for us... Maren woke an hour later than usual (busy weekend) at 7:20. After I put Hayden down for her nap at 1:00, Maren went into her room and said she didn't want stories or songs, she just wanted to look out her window (she has a window seat with cushions). I reminded her that it was quiet time and that if she got tired she could just lay down on her bed or curl up in her window seat. I was fully prepared for the escalating conversation she has with herself and to go get her in 10 minutes... 2 hours later, she calls to me, saying she needs a fresh pull-up. She'd taken her pants off (but not the soiled pull-up, thank goodness!!) and had obviously played with a few stuffies, but I had no idea if she napped or not. Weird, but I'll take it!!
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Weird day for us here too. DD didn't fall asleep last night until after 9 (probably close to 9:15) despite being in her crib by 8:30. Slept without a peep until about 8:15 this morning. Put her in for a nap at 1:30 but by 1:50 she was yelling no nap so I just gave her a stack of books and she's reading them in her crib now - hopefully she'll at least stay in there until 2:15 if not 2:30. Then will try to keep her up (have to go out with the stroller later to run errands) and have her in bed 7:45/8 tonight. Hopefully she doesn't insist on books everyday in crib now instead of napping though!
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LOL Stacy! Well at least Marisa stayed in her crib until 2:20 reading her books to teddy and then yelled for potty and insisted on getting up. We were out with her umbrella stroller just before running errands and she kept saying she was tired and wanted to nap when we got home but I've managed to distract her and will try to keep her calm but busy until dinner time. But I'm tired - I want to nap!!
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Well ladies I'm about to check out & leave my family to dh... well that is what I feel like doing.
My Step-d moved in yesterday after she had a huge fight with her mother & wants to live here during the week (with her boyfriend for weekends) So this Am she gets up at 5.45am so she can get her hair washed & straight... so yep both boys are up then too. No *** chance of getting anything half way near a routine with her shifts. I am soooo *** frustrated & exhausted... worse exhaustion than with a newborn.
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Kate that really does suck....I agree some guidelines and hope it works out in your favour.
Stacy, night was ok, slept 8:30-6:30, kept him in room til 7...
but this is where I get confused...he doesn't necessarily act well rested kwim?-----he was like rubbing his eyes at 9am and then had a major meltdown at 9am over his digger (long story)
anyway, we had swimming and he acted great there....but I still see him rubbing his eyes occasionally.
had him down for 12:30---and he was asleep about 12:45 til 2:15, in to room for windown at 7:30, and I left him for 7:45...so far he has stayed in his room and is in general more content so hope thats a good sign!
he absolutely is attached to this plastic digger and dump truck that are meant for a sandbox...took them in his stroller today, they napped with him and now they are in there for the night! he also plays with them in the sandbox... ::)
so tommorow I need to go get some more of these things that are meant for outside only LOL
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Hi ladies, specially Stacey and Marisa'smama...i ran across some old posts and thought i would wave hello! I hope i don't have to join you on this thread...megan at 3.5 still takes her 1 nap!! OMG, please don't jinx me for posting here!!! Hope you ladies are well.
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I am running right now!! as fast as i can...i miss you guys too...i am still here but over on the EASY board trying to sort out my NB nap problems. Think i would be able to crack that one myself..teehee! but not so far.
PS: I'll have to help megan drop her nap before Sept due to the change in her P-school schedule. :-(
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Michelle... payback often comes with #2 child LOL... ds#1 was still napping past his 4th Birthday but ds#2 well a big brother precludes him having a good nap pattern.
One good thing about the early start this Am was I do have a napping child. Told dh we need to have some really big routines in place if his dd was going to be around.
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Hugs Katet. Haven't really read back guys, sorry about that.
Zara really does seem currently to be better on a short night, with a nap. Sooo, after some major rethinking, and trying to find a way not to be frustrated with her if she is still awake at 9:30, and to also find away to ensure she won't wake Hugh, we think we have it cracked....think so anyway LOL. I will be doing a tonne of reading ;) while she is trying to fall asleep LOL.
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<<<<<<blows kisses and waves madly>>>> Michelle!!!! So good to see you! How are Meg and the new baby?
Kate - sorry with your stepdaughter. How old is she?
Rina - what is your new plan? And how long do you let Zara nap for?
Such an annoying night - after no nap yesterday we tried to get DD in bed at 7:45 (she woke that morning at 8:15). She was not going for it and asking for more books to read to teddy (since that's what I let her do during her no nap yesterday) and saying she can't sleep and getting upset. I was in and out with her MANY times and finally gave her Tylenol at about 8:30 and think she was asleep by 9. She cried out for a few seconds at 11:15 but haven't heard another peep and it's 8am now. Really thinking largely these darn molars as she does nap better when I give Tylenol - even when she isn't saying her teeth hurt (two are through, one more right there). So do I give Tylenol before every nap and night until they come in? Hate to do that but I guess if I have to... Also do I let her have books in her crib at nap time if she won't sleep? I know if she has books she'll never nap and don't want her to have books at night/bedtime but if it means her at least getting some quiet time? so not sure...
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My new plan is to sit by Zara reading a book while she tosses and turns and falls asleep. Being there prevents her calling out and waking Hugh, and she generally falls asleep quicker too. Me reading means I am simultaneously enjoying some me time LOL.
As for her nap, limiting it isn't working to get her to sleep earlier at night, that only seems to work if she doesn't nap at all, so we decided to just let her regulate her own sleep times. I would say I think her norm is about 1 hr 15 anyway, maybe 1.5.
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well Stacy, :'( Noah was asleep at 8:30 but woke at 5:45am-----layed in there quite happily playing....reading books and I am sure playing with his diggers until 7, tried to get him to back to sleep but to no avail---out of his room at 7:30 and had not gone back to sleep.
so I do think that he is probably reverting back to old times.....the birds are noisy and it is light outside, I find it hard to sleep past 6---so I am sure that is part of it...
not sure..but I am thinking nap 12ish to 2---somehwhere in there for max 1hr 40min or so.
and then bed at 7---so he is asleep by 8 or something...
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well who knows if he went back to sleep this am or not, today NO tired signs,
hes always been able to handle longer A times in the am, I just find it tricky to have him down early(ie 11:30) without letting him sleep for longer becuase he cant handle (or didn't seem to before) long A times in the afternoon----so thats why I hate EW.
plus we have been on a pretty solid routine--hes been napping at 12:45/1 for the last month....so not sure he would sleep before lunch etc.
trying to have him sleep a little earlier tonight..maybe he is getting a 2nd wind in the evening.
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GRRRR sounds like nap not happening again. If not I'm throwing her in the stroller in a bit and taking a walk. It's nice out anyway and I'm not in the mood for an overtired meltdown at dinner time. Darn teeth.
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*Warning long rambling post ahead*
Hi everyone! boy this is a wacky age with sleep. I just don't get it.
Thinking back just 3 months PJ was a solid 45min - 1 hour napper. About 6w-2 months ago he started napping just about every single nap longer than an hour (with a few skipped and a few 45 min) Night sleep at first wasn't dramatically effected. I think when I started to post here nights were still for the most part pretty good. So that was just a few weeks ago... Now he has a hard time falling asleep before 830 - last night it was 830 and that was after 7 hours of awake time. He is acting really hyper - which is really not the way he is. I have done all kinds of tricks and things I have learned on BW through advice here and the books. Now I just don't know what to do. Last night it took 1.5 hours before he fell asleep - which has become the norm - and when I went to get him this morning he had pushed his crib away from the wall he was playing so hard last night. I do have to be greatful that it was a decent night for him, he woke at 7 am. Like I said, he acts super hyper most of the day time now and looks tired to me. And definitely more tantrums.
I currently put him down about 1 hour before I think he will fall asleep. This has actually been our practice for about a year b/c he is definitely a kid who takes forever to fall asleep. Unless it is like 11 at night, he will take at least 45 min to fall asleep. I plan for it. But now, with it taking 1.5 hours (one night last week it took 2 hours!) I am starting to wonder if I am doing the right thing? And maybe it all comes down to the nap. Again, he is napping longer than ever. (he is currently on a >1.5 hour sleep) but I just can't bare waking him. I waited 2.5 years for a good napper! I worked so hard for the first 18 months of his life to extend those naps (afer that I just gave up!) and now, when it is finally working, I am going to start waking him? I can't seem to make myself do it! I was going to wake him at 2 pm.... (an hour nap) and now it is 2:37 pm....
I am still waiting it out and seeing if it all shakes out and really I am going to try to have a discussion with DH about it. He thinks it is nuts that I even care how long PJ plays in his crib.
Sorry if all my venting is irritating to some of you. I do look at the boards for my sounding board, for sure. I am probably taking advantage of you all and this 'free' board, but I find most of you understand my pain. Even if I do need a virtual valium from time to time. :-)
Thanks for reading if you have gotten this far!
Meg
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Stacy, maybe Noah went back to sleep this am? he was happily asleep at 12:25 and woke happy at 1:55---I thought I'd Have to wake him but nope...
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Stacy, I feel for you...good thing the WALMART strollers have buckles..
I have not been through that at the store but I am sure some of neighbours think boy "that Noah sure does scream and cry ALOT"
like yesterday, when he did not listen to me about taking his digger to the car, and instead started to run away. I picked him up and his digger fell and I wasn't going back to get it...so yup big temper tantrum! only thing was it was in the car---I couldn't get him in the car seat so he thrashed around the back seat and climbed up and over the back seat to the cargo area---carried on for 20minutes----meanwhile my neighbour drove by and I am sure was really curious!
video monitor--doesn't that mean I need a TV in my room? I can't really go for that!
no diggers in the bed tonight
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how can I convince hubby?
I am already working on the electric breast pump LOL
Noah was knocking at his door asking to have his grobag back on--not sure how he got it off but he still wants it in the bed-cant sleep without it!
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Ok, now that I have gotten a few vents off my chest I am back and more calm. Thanks everyone! tee hee
Stacy = Oh, man. Hate those days for sure!
Kate = whoa. What was today like? Is you step -D still there? I hear you on the shining light of an early awake time. EARLY BED TIME!
Deb = sounds like Noah and PJ are sort of doing the same thing. Just working things out. But driving us nuts. Noah actually sounds like he is doing great.
Karen = these molars are driving us insane, too. Nothing has really helped for poor PJ getting 3 at once. I got Calms 4orte and the teething tablets. Not to mention Tylenol and Motrin. The meds help his mood tremendously but not his sleep.
Well, ashamedly, I snuck PJ into his crib 15 min early to watch Idol Gives Back. :o :-[ I am so embarrassed! But I heard the "So You Think You Can Dance" dance crew opened the show and I didn't want to miss it. that is by far my favorite summer show. Normally on a day like today (waking up at 235 from nap) I would have put him down at 730 and prayed for asleep by 830, but probably get 9. So, I am thinking I will once agan get 9, but he will have been in the crib an additional 15 min early. This is the perfect reason to keep him in a crib longer. hee hee.
Meg
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LOL Meg!
Things going well here today. By some miracle, Zara went down for a 12:30 nap even though she didn't wake until 7:30 or a bit later this morning! Not complaining! To help her wind down, I sat on the bed and fed Hugh while she tossed and turned, then I told her I need to go clean up after lunch etc, and she was out to it just a few minutes later.
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OH WHY WON'T SHE GIVE IN!!! Sorry for yelling, but my gosh, my DD2 is sick with a cold, is obviously OT (has been for weeks), and she will now only nap once a week (the one day a week she's in daycare, for like 3 hours and NEVER at home). This has been coming for a long time, I know the nap is on the way out, but she's sick and tantruming and clumsy. She sits in her room after the wind-down and talks or sings, escalating until I have to go get her so she doesn't wake up her sister in the next room. She won't nap in my room, won't sit still long enough for some quiet time even if I'm right beside her... and she's at the million questions stage so there's no peace and quiet. Even with a quiet activity like playdoh or coloring she needs me there participating, and I spend all the rest of the day engaging her and need a break.
Mostly I just get annoyed by the whole thing because it seems to me that she does need the nap. Even when I put her to bed an hour early to make up for it she won't fall asleep until the usual time. She gets up in her window seat and sings out the window until she collapses with exhaustion. If I didn't have to deal with the aftermath it would be darn cute!
Thanks for listening to the rant. :)
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Hugs Nicole!
Things going OK here. Fairly smoothly, but probably not the way most people wouild handle it. DH put Zara to bed last night, and since he isn't much of a reader like me, he put his earphones in (MP3) and listened to music til she finally fell asleep LOL. And that was after just a 1 hr nap, it really doesn't take much to keep her up at night.
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OK is there a sheepish-looking smiley?! I meant DD1 in my pp, and she did end up napping for 1.5 hrs - sang herself to sleep I guess! (DD2 pulled a short-nap for some reason, so we're 1 for 2 anyways!!)
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Its been awhile since I've been on. Perhaps was feeling overconfident about the sleeping ::). Nicole, I totally understand the not sleeping at home. Aiden has not in months. Luckily he is at preschool during the week (although he doesn't always nap there either but at least they get to deal with it. THe only way for Aiden to nap now is in the car. Ever since he moved to a bed I couldn't bear the fight. Plus he is very good at staying up through being tired, then becoming overtired. I just don't need the fight and am hoping that he wilL essentially be done napping at 3. I guess you can't tale that route with your other lo (and of course it's a terrible prop, but luckily night time is different).
Stacy - I totally know that feeling of the screaming kid. I am so sensitive to screaming and whining (it just drives me nuts!). Luckily Aiden isn't too bad in stores. He loves to be out of the cart and walk so I put him in at first then after he begs to get out finally let him but say he has to stay with me. If he starts running in he goes again. Works pretty well - when he is not overtired of course ;D. Then all bets are off. He tends to alternate between mania and screaming and tears. Fun stuff!
Well after Aiden's 3rd or 4th illness one on top of the other I hope we are done for a while. He had a regular cold then a terrible cough (with croup and asthma) then a stomach flu for a week during which time he caught another cold which had him for a couple of weeks. He was so whiny this week and I started wondering how badly I was spoiling him, but now he seems to be back to himself. Of course he is sliding down that OT slide which has got my nerves. He is waking at 5:30 now and taking short naps (45 minutes). Today after waking at 5:30 he would not nap. Although he was yawning and yawning he just would not crash and then started crying and crying to go home (Napping in the car is great when he goes off quickly. It is murder when he doesn't). Anyway today I brought him home at 2 and said he would have to sleep on the couch but of course it did not work. Funnily he was pretty good for the rest of the day. He did have a couple of time-outs but they weren't even too bad. I just hate those early mornings, though.
Hope everyone has a good night!
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Hey everyone and big hugs to all those with napping babes, non-napping babes, babes with tantrums, sick ones, partying ones, etc! We had a super busy week and weekend. DD napped in her crib Monday, refused naps the day before, Tuesday and Wednesday, napped in car Thursday, refused Friday and napped in car Sat and Sun (we have been super busy with house errands and yesterday went to Jersey for my dad's bday). Teeth are definitely a factor since sometimes she'll tell me they hurt but must be developmental too. Sadly, after not falling asleep last night until like 9:40 (she didn't sleep on the car ride home) she woke at 6:40 today so definitely going to be overtired and hopefully will nap today. Luckily we have Gymboree class this morning - guess I'll try for a nap around 12:15-12:30!
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9:40! Well. tonight was 10pm, after being put to bed at 8:30. I am sure getting through alot of reading ;)
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Thankfully after her 9 hour night and a few minor bumps and bruises yesterday morning (clutzy on stairs and at gym class) DD fell asleep within minutes for her nap by 12:45. Woke her a little after 2:15 and had a pretty nice afternoon and tried for bedtime just after 8. She refused at first and was fussing but then was asleep by 8:40 I think. Thought I heard her babbling for a second at 6:30 this morning but not sure if it was really her (I was half asleep) but when I fully woke at little after 7 she was out cold and I think she woke at about 7:35/7:40. Will try a nap at about 1 today and see what happens...
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After a few late nights (not falling asleep til about 10ish - but sleeping in til about 8am) Zara refused to nap yesterday, was asleep by 8pm, and is still asleep now at 7am. I think I like this better, not napping, but will just keep going with the flow since she has daycare today and there is a good chance she will nap there....
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Same here Stacy - days are all different and we just roll with them best we can. DD napped today from about 12:50-2:20 (I woke her) - she was actually asking for lunch and nap earlier than I was planning LOL. Will get her in bed by 8:15 and see what happens.
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Wow! I just found this! My dd has been trying to drop her nap since ds was born. The past couple of weeks she has not been napping (if she did before that she would be up until 10). I hate not having her nap -- it means I get no break all day!
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Hey tazsmom... our kids are very close in age! Have I told you that before?! And ya, I like the break too!
Maren napped 2 hrs yesterday, woke up so crabby I wished she hadn't bothered napping! ::) Napped 2 hrs today at daycare of course (and my DCP seems a little smug over the fact that she'll nap there no problem!)
I'm sure she wont bother napping tomorrow... maybe we can use the time to work on PTing ;D
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Stacy - I too am just rolling with whatever she thows at me for now. I think last night was just an absolute treat though, having the evening to myself - but then stupid old me spent the entire thing IRONING! :P
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LOL Rina, once they both get to 2.5yo+ I've found my ironing time is watching Playschool ;) As I can feel safe with them awake.
We have colds here, so all 3 of us napped today after a less than successful train trip (long story, but beyond our control) where I had both have rather large tantrums... almost forgotten those days.
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Same here - haven't ironed in well over 2 years! Kate - was thinking of you too - how goes it there with your step daughter?
Rough night here. DD and I had fun at the park yesterday afternoon (after her 1.5 hour nap which she was begging for) and then after dinner, her, DH and I went for a nice walk outside. Got her in bed at about 8:15 but she was fussing by 8:45 and crying by 9 and didn't go to sleep until 9:30/9:40 (after a dose of Tylenol at like 9:15). Then she woke crying at 2:30 and wanted milk (not going to happen) - took until 3:30 to get her settled (after more Tylenol). DH said he heard her a bit at like 6:20 but when I woke at 7 all was quiet until about 7:40 - so we'll see what the day brings and see if the third molar popped through or anything.
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LOL Stacy - would have needed party hats at my place for sure!
Forgot to ask daycare if Zara napped and how long what time etc, but I assume she did because not asleep til late (again, not sure, between 9 and 9:30), still asleep now at 7:15.
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We've actually been having ok napping around here & asleep by 8/9pm & up around 6am ok don't like the 6am (esp not for ds1 as he does need more sleep) but, I think it is still a slow adjustment to the end of daylightsavings... I mean it is dark at 6am but he still wakes up. Just wish there wasn't toilet calls/wet beds at night... after 4 months he won't wear pullups at night "Pull ups are uncomfortable, they hurt my bottom" - how do I argue with a statement like that, esp as he can simply take them off (even when I put them on when he is asleep). yet the cold weather seems to mean we get wet beds 3-4/week.
Step-d stuff, well it's all "if this happens then that etc" still not sure of the final "arrangements" she has been floating between us her BF & her brother & even been back to her mother's I believe. My Bro & his family are staying so she can't stay at the moment anyway. (But that is a bit out of the frying pan into the fire for me LOL)
She had a bit of the sh!ts with me cos I said "I'd actually like to know in advance if you are going to be around for meals as I plan based on the four of us & I can't guarantee a meal (last 2 times I gave up my dinner... I had something else I liked more but still LOL) At least she has been on late starts when she has been here so only getting up after ds2 is awake anyway.
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Kate, you know they make cloth pull-ups. I saw them posted somewhere on here. I don't think they are cheap, but if you bought 2 pair (and he is only wetting at night 3-4 times/week) that might last a week till laundry day!
They aren't just the simple training pants they sell in the 3 pack (Gerber) they are fancier than that. I'll have a sniff around and let you know what i find.
Meg
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here is the training pant
http://www.weebunzdiapers.com/cgi-bin/product.cgi?pg=65
here is the insert
http://www.weebunzdiapers.com/inserts.php
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Poor Kaleb...but that must have been a lovely morning for you stacy!
So, do you all just wear crinkled clothes or what?
Kate, maybe the special cloth training pants might work for you....I too have seen them and I think they are made by a few different brands...to find some with an Australian supplier check out www.allaboutnappies.com.au
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Stacy, Noah is sick too--but he is sleeping terribly because of it----coughing all hours of the night--slept til 8am-refused to nap til 3(layed in his r0om from 1:15-3) so napped 3-3:40 when I woke him---wasn't sure what to do!
we don't iron either, most clothes go straight from the dryer to the hanger---no sitting around in the dryer to get all wrinkled. I had to iron a bedskirt yesterday and gosh that was not fun!
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OK, I'm the worst Mom alive. Maren sleeps at daycare in a play pen, and she naps all the time there. At home, she just can't help herself, she gets up in the window seat and blabs at every passing car, dog-walker, tree, you name it. So, after yesterdays new behaviour of slapping me, I've decided that she needs to nap and I need to facilitate it because she is so darn crabby on the no-nap days. Plus, she doesn't make up the lost sleep by going to sleep early or by sleeping in, so she is always in sleep deficit. Today, she was singing very loudly in her window seat, and I went in and gave her the choice of laying down to sleep in her bed or should I bring up our play pen and she could sleep there ('like a baby' I added - not the best choice of words, I won't say it again!!) She chose the play pen and is now happily asleep.
Is this wrong? I know she needs to kick the nap sooner or later, but I honestly think she needs it still right now or her mood wouldn't be as poor as it has been. I have not been enjoying parenting her for the last few weeks, everything is a struggle. On the days she does nap, she is much nicer to be around, much more cooperative, fun-loving, playful, happy... I could go on and on. Yesterday she was rotten, slapping me repeatedly, tantruming over everything, running away when I say no to something... If I can 'force' the issue with a play pen and she's not fighting me on it, is it OK to do?
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Absolutely yes! If she is happy in there, and it makes for a happier family life generally, then do it!
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Nicole,
Nello has been napping in our bedroom since Feb. Works for us and no hassle ever at bedtime in his own bed. He has always phased out his last naps like this.
Cat nap-car, buggy or swing then both naps and bedtime in bed no troubles
2-1 nap-a.m nap in car or buggy then p.m nap and bedtime in bed no troubles
1-0 nap-in our room with tv or books, sleeps 5-6x a week or just chills in there and bedtime in his bed no prob. (now that good weather is here, we did a nap in buggy last week)
It is like he only wants to do his main sleeps in his real bed. Like you say, no way could he handle (nor I) those naps being dropped cold turkey, so this worked so well for us and is still working.
HTH,
A x
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so after that late short nap yesterday, Noah went straight to sleep by 8pm but woke happy at 6am. so we won't be doing that again...
what do you guys do with nap when wake-up a good 45min earlier then normal?
he stayed in his room til 7
nap 12:30-2---thinkin this should have been earlier, but 6.5hrs isn't totally abnormal for him in the am.
bed at 7:30----but he must have been OT--totally wired and not sleep til 8:30 and not that soundly ---coughing, coughing, coughing...
sure we are in for a rough night,
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I usually leave nap time the same UNLESS her behaviour indicates she needs it earlier. Like today, she didn't wake up earlier, totally normal (for her) night, but she was melting down at 11 ish when we were out, so napped from about 12 - 1:30pm. Some days on same wakeup time, it is a struggle to get ehr to nap by 2!
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Thanks for the idea of cloth pullups... don't think he'd go for it though as he is a "boxer" man as he doesn't like the elastic, thus why he doesn't like the pull ups. Been dry again for almost a week, so I think it was his body adjusting to the sudden cold/wet weather. Meg I wash almost every day anyway so it isn't a big deal if he does wet & he just hops into his sofa bed, which he does most nights even if he doesn't wet LOL, the main issue is it wakes me up so much, but then he wakes me up for other reasons too... mostly to try & climb into bed with me.
Sleep around here is going ok for ds2, but now ds1 is napping too many days after being sick so his night sleep is cut back & we are back in a cycle of him waking early & getting tired so falls asleep in the car... why do we do so many things with a drive in them? Urghh.
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Hope Noah and Kaleb are feeling better!
After a super crazy weekend (Passover) trying to get back on track here. Saturday DD napped for a little over 1.5 hours (I woke her) and then after the first Sedar didn't fall asleep for the night until almost 11 (!). She then woke coughing (post nasal drip) and crying 30 minutes later, then slept until 6:50 and then from 7:30 or so until 9:40 am. Yesterday she napped in car from about 3:15-3:55 and then didn't go to sleep last night until about 9:40 and then was up crying (but refusing meds) every half hour from 1:30-3:45, then we heard her around 6 but then slept until I woke her at 8 for her last Gymboree class and to try to get her back on track. Not sure if last night was due to OT, last molars breaking, the nuts she had at Sedar or a combination thereof.
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Stacy I could have written that paragraph about the 1hour and long nights and 1.5 hour short nights. (maybe I did? hee hee) I too can't make myself wake PJ. I just can't. I have been begging for good naps since he was 4 months old. Now I am going to wake him? I just can't do it. But I am also getting 10 hour nights and it just isn't cutting it. I don't know the answer right now. Yesterday he took a 40 min nap and slept almost 11 hours last night but still this morning looks exhausted to me.
This phase is driving me nuts.
Most of the craziness for the month of April is gone. We just have one last trip to take this Thurs-Sun so no point really trying to fix anything. This long weekend will just mess it up anyway!
Meg
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We seem to be falling into a niceish routine of nap one day not the next & last night got 12hours of sleep (ok half in his bed & half on the mattress on the floor next to me), so he woke halfway, but only woke me enough for me to pull the cover over him & he was dry all night, despite being too tired to go to the toilet before bed. I hope today I can get a short nap out of him so he at least gets some daddy time. Downside is to get 12hours it is 6.30-6.30 & so he missed seeing daddy yesterday.
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I hear you Stacy!
I am fuming mad at Mike right now! he let Noah sleep 2hrs yesterday 12:30-12:30 and we argued about it last night, and yup I was right---a 9hr night last night!
slept 8:30-5:45 this am--thats great, thanks Mike...
todays nap was 12:10-1:50 or so so 1hr 40min...but Noah has been crying non-stop since 5pm, and he will have to be in bed for 7, and I am ticked
crazy how 1.5hr naps lead to 10-10.5hr nights but 2hr naps lead to 9hr nights...this really sucks!
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I hear you---I hate waking Noah when he is sick too and I think thats why Mike let him sleep 2hrs yesterday---but lot of good it did him!
Noah is in bed for 7---not sure but I think he will be up in the night tonight from OT, either that or he'll be up before 6---but I hope he falls asleep soon and then at least gets more sleep tonight.....and can start the day better rested tommorow...and I can give him 1.5hr nap...its going to be an early nap and ealy bed for a few days to come but hopefully I can move him back to a 8ish bedtime.
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I thought PJ was exhausted. He took a 2.5 hour nap yesterday --- after seeing the bags under his eyes and him telling me all morning he wanted to go home to go to sleep I couldn't bear to wake him. Then fell easily asleep for the night at 830 pm and slept until 7 this morning. I hope we are back on track here. But like I said, we are off to go house hunting on Thursday so there is no hope until next week of really trying to figure things out here.
We are off to the zoo this morning so I hope we get a good nap!
Meg
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Hey ladies, hoping you can help me. I have read several of the most recent pages, but am not entirely caught up. I have to say I didn't think I'd be dealing with this particular issue so soon. Hugo has always needed tons of sleep, and suddenly he doesn't want to nap anymore! I am sick and tired of leaving him in his room yelling "Need Mo-MEEEE." Most of the time he does not cry, just yells. At first I stopped him however I could so he wouldn't wake my 3 month old, but I've found that he doesn't, so I let him go at it.
Here is his schedule:
7-730 wake
130-330 nap
8p bedtime
If he goes in his room but does not nap, it is like this:
7-730 wake
130-3p in crib
7p bedtime
Sometimes he talks for a while, but when he doesn't nap (especially a few days in a row), he is grumpy, tantrumy, and crashes when he goes to bed.
Things I am wondering:
Maybe he has gotten his second wind by 130 and an earlier nap would be better?
He takes off his grobag; should I dispense with it entirely? (it is getting warm) For me, it was always insurance that he would not try to climb out of his crib.
Am I crazy, or would a big boy bed transition help? I'm not sure why I think it would, except that I wonder if giving him a little more control could help. Like some of you letting them nap in your bed, etc.
I can't let him nap in my bed because the baby sleeps in there in a bassinet. Or maybe I could nap the baby in his room in his crib?
Or do I just need to wear him out in the mornings?
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hey there! I'd try wearing him out at the park or whatever in the morning and moving nap to 1pm so he's not overtired, TBH. I'd also dump the grobag if he's getting stimulated by taking it off. And if all else fails, you could certainly try to let him nap in your bed and move the baby to his crib - but that depends on Hugo and whether you think he'd even nap well there and not insist on being there at night too.
DD has been catching up on sleep after a CRAZY weekend and some bad nights so hopefully we are getting back on track. At least until the next rocky patch LOL
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yup this napping in big boy bed is totaly crappy...don't know when to time it.
Noah seems to be sleeping a max of 10hrs at night. our day has moved earlier with me trying to get him to sleep earlier etc. long naps make nights even worse....either way he is very grumpy come 4/5pm and I am barely tolerating him....
last night, he was asleep at 8:15 and woke this morning at 6am---I made him stay in his room til 7---is this where I am going wrong?
I tried to get him to nap earlier but maybe it feels to early too him?
I gave him early lunch and bed at 11:55---but he is mucking around in his room and doing "bed olympics"---only his involves running around the room...
now it sounds as though he is maybe in bed but he is naming the whole family LOL....
ok, so considering a 6am wake-up----when would you guys let this nap go til I am hopeing he is asleep by 12:45----and then maybe bed at 7???? when should the cut off time be?
I know many of you are having 7am wakes---and your cut off is 2/2:30---
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Thanks all! Stacy, I think you might be right. I've been expecting too much sleep. I guess I wasn't sure if it was an attention/new baby syndrome sort of thing. Hard to remember that he is growing and changing too. I think we'll hold off on the bed transition and focus on limiting naps. I'm also going to be sure he gets lots of exercise since it is getting warm out.
Deb, I'm no expert, but I don't think it's unreasonable to make him stay in bed/in his room until 7:00. It shouldn't affect his nap time if he's awake. I don't think Hugo would nap that early, but again, I don't really know what I'm doing. :) And lastly, our cut off has been 330-4 for a long time, and he can talk or throw a fit (depending on his mood at 8p bedtime) until 9 or 930 sometimes, so a 2/230 cutoff sounds about right.
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asleep on his own at 12:50 or so---so almost 7hrs after waking....aargh.....if I let the nap go til 2:15---he probably won't be asleep til 8:15 again....
thats a fine time with me---but please just sleep til 6:45 in the morning...
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well thats that Noah woke at 1:30 on his own...great!!!!!
what time should bedtime be????
I am thinking 6:30----lovely!
maybe he'll go back to sleep...
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I agree with Stacy - get Noah to bed at 7 and limit Hugo's nap to 1.5 hours TOPS. Yesterday DD woke at 8:15. She napped from 1:25-2:30 (I woke her) and didn't fall asleep until almost 9:30 (despite getting into bed at 8:15). She woke for day at 8:40 and fell right asleep for nap at 1:40. Had to wake her 2:30 both to try for decent bedtime and to get to Home Depot. Will try normal bedtime tonight and see what happens.
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I agree. Zara often naps only 40 mins to 1 hr here, it brings bedtime a bit more reasonable, like 8/8:30, but I have stopped worrying. We have a bed time, and a nap time....and she does what she does.
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well he did go back to sleep today and woke on his own at 2:15, so we will see what the morning brings....DH put him to bed at 7:50pm and he was asleep in 10minutes---so hope thats a good thing
seems like 10ish hours or a little less is perhaps OT and 10.5hrs is well rested---so we are always somewhere btwn not tired enough and OT---hard to figure out..
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Stacy----hope the day goes well with a nap and supper etc...
Noah was up a little after 6--so no surprise there--another 10hr night.....
so 2hr naps---9hr nights
1.5 hr naps---10hr nights
so what 1hr naps---11hr nights????
hmm, just wondeing what strategy I should take....
seems he probably won't nap til 12:45 again----so I could wake at 2 and try bed at 7:30
what do you guys think? cut the nap to 1hr 15minutes to start and then 1hr?
or should I move his 10hr night more like 8:30-6:30am and then cut the nap down a bit???
I know I am overtinking this but thats just me...
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so I've layed him down at 12:15pm--he was watching big comfy couch (his favorite)---I told him it was nap time and no protest at all---he ran right to his room and got into bed...
but now hes running around his room and I've basically decided to get him up at 2pm either way---if nap is 1hr then hes asleep early and will hopefully extend his night..
hes discovered how to open his closet which is not good at all....I've been in there once and I'm not going again----its just a game of pull everything out of the closet and get mommy back in here! aargh!
I'm going to have a huge mess to clean up and Mike will have to put some sort of a lock on the closet tonight...
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Oh the joys of the no-nap transition! ::)
Maren will at least nap today, since she's at daycare!!! :P
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well he only went to sleep at 1:15pm---gosh this big bed stuff just sucks....so whats that like 7hrs awake again....aargh....Its 2:15pm---are you sure I can wake him...seems so mean, and I don't know what time to put him to bed
woke 6:15
nap 1:15-2:....I havn'et woke him yet,
what time to bed?
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ok yes, 5.5hrs after a 45min nap----but you don't have 7hrs before the nap right?
its been 1hr10min---I'm too chicken sh..
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Hee hee Deb, sorry but you make me feel so NORMAL for overthinking all this. Misery loves company, so they say. I have been way too chicken to wake PJ through all of this and as a result have some short nights/very short nights as well. those days of 11 hour nights are over around here. UNLESS I WAKE HIM UP! but I am too chicken.
Good luck tonight Stacy.
We are getting on an airplane in 2 hours and if PJ isn't up in 30 min I will have to wake him, throw him in the car and race to the airport. Then run through the airport and hop on the plane. Luckily we are flying first class (we aren't paying for it!) and have already done webcheck in so we are in good shape there. Then off to WA to do house hunting for the weekend. no time for naps - it will be hell. then start all over on Monday.
Have a good weekend everyone!
Meg
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Then off to WA to do house hunting for the weekend.
Meg, do you mean Washington state?? That's where I am.
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well I don't think 7hrs is actually normal for Noah---just a matter of playing and getting distracted in his room...going to go buy the closet door lock right now...
I saw a couple of eye rubs and yawns at 10:50am----so its not like hes not tired at the 6mark that I am trying..
Mike does not have this problem...Noah doesn't play and muck around----so hopeing this wares off if I am consistant with it....
we'll see what the night brings---part of the problem is that I don't much want shorter naps and 7pm bedtimes--no thanks!
all I need now is a 6:30 wake and everything will be bac on track a bit...
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hah, this was the other day
slept 8:45-6:45
nap (for Mike) 12:30-2:30
asleep for 8:30---and woke next day at 5:30---------the bloody 2hr nap is what had messed us up with an EW all week!
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8:30 would be too early asleep for Zara after a 2 hour nap - she too probably wouldn't ahve been tired enough to sleep later.
Here a two hour nap usually means not asleep til more like 9:30 (but even as late as 10:30, man do I get some reading done LOL).
We are down to the only way she will fall asleep for nap now is if I sit with her (unless it is like 3-4pm then she can fall asleep on her own, but I prefer she doesn't do that LOL). Nap length varies. On a 45 min nap, still not asleep til about 8:30, but will then sleep later, usually 7/7:30. Long nap say 2 hours, and definitely not asleep before 9:30, could be as late as 10:30. Wakeup the same.
Just rolling with the punches here.
Frustratingly, am already at the stage of early 2-1 days with Hugh - to fit the naps in, need shorter nights, or need at least one of the naps to be short.....he isn't quite 8 mo yet. and it is SO NOT FAIR that I have to deal with both of these transitions at once!
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Rina 2-1 at 8 months :o
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So Stacy, how was it????
Noah was fine, acted like a bum at Kacz Kids---saying I want this and that---like stupid decorations hanging on the wall etc.
but played nicely and acted well at home....
good predictions thoug---asleep at 8:20pm...thats all I have to say.
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Well, the days of a nap not interfering with night sleep now seem to be over.... Maren napped at daycare today (of course!! ::) ) and is still up as I write this, a full two hours after we put her to bed (9:00 now)... She's in her window seat, singing out the window, yelling for us occasionally to bring her water or change her pull-up.
How long is this 'phase' going to last? I wouldn't bother with offering the nap if she didn't turn into the devil's spawn after a few days without it! ;D
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Ya, definitely not what I wanted to hear. I got the same answer re: how long the terrible 2's last for...
At least she's being funny and cute... she busted me for eating chocolate, what's that Mommy? What do I smell? Are you eating chocolate? I thought you were going to bed?! ::) ;D
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They're so cheeky! See what they drive us mommies to? I'm almost ready for a bottle of Bailey's now... did I say bottle? I meant sip. ;D
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Nicole, hate to bare bad news but most people I know find the "trying three's" equally as hard as the terrible two's... just look at the preschool forum talking about 3yo's oh & having been there for the teens... this is just all practice for then LOL
Fortunately we seem to be running smoothly with catnaps of under 45mins or not at all at the moment & that makes it so much easier to get both boys to bed at a decent or early hour. In part the change to winter time really has helped as we need to be inside by 5pm when it starts to get cool, so can go straight to bath & that makes the evening flow so well.
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so Noah was asleep about 8:20pm----and then awake in the night a bit---not sure maybe 30/40min..
then slept til 7:30 when I woke him
I am trying to still get a nap about 1pm/1:30---and may give the 1hr nap a shot..
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Maren slept 9:10 - 6:08 (she wakes up at 6:08 almost every day). If she does nap today, do I let her 'catch up' on what was missed last night, or do I limit it to an hour, say? I hate to wake her up, she's a like a bear getting woken from hibernation (gets that from me ;D ) with the glazed eyes, dopey brain, and no personality. It honestly takes her hours to recover. I guess I need to decide what's worse... crabby bear Maren or goofy window-seat monkey Maren. :)
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thanks Stacy, sounds like a good plan for today...
he was asking for his lovies at 1pm so I went with that and started nap routine....of course he was crying at the door at 1:20---
the new thing today was to rip his rug and rug pad off of the floor(hardwood) and now they are strewn across the room ::)
so I've settled him in his bed again and layed with him a minute to just have him relax a bit---said goodnight and left and he is quiet now at 1:35----so plan will be for a 1hr nap or so...
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Wow, Deb, I just realised that you don't have long to go now? How are you feeling?
I think last night Zara was asleep by 9. She cried a few times in the night, needed her daddy...seems we have the last few days started yet another round of SA from him...not as bad as previously, but still a pain in the neck. She is so happy around him that she couldn't even fall asleep with him laying with her last night, I had to send him out and do it myself! She didn't want me, she wanted him but I talked her around. Then in the night, she didn't want me (and DH had to go to work early) so the poor guy had to deal with her in the night.
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AArrrrrggggggh!!! We've lost the nap and don't know where to find it!
I was with ya'll on the other thread, then shortened DS's night and he was napping daily and life was good. Now naps have gone spotty again.
He's so tired right now and needs a nap, but has been in there partying for 1.5 hours. I want to stick my head in the room and shout, "GO TO SLEEP ALREADY!" but I'm pretty sure that's not the BW way of handling things and wouldn't do much good anyway.
Aaaarrrrrrrrghhhhhhh!!!!
:-[Thank you for letting me vent. :-[
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OK, so do I just accept that a nap is never ever going to happen again unless she's at daycare? She had a rotten night due to the nap at daycare yesterday, slept 9 hours only... had purple eyes and red cheeks by 8 am today asked to nap on my bed and STILL did not nap. It was one of those rotten mommy days, and I realize that I'm getting angry with her for not napping which I know is so unfair to her. ???
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I try to give her quiet time... I've tried keeping her in her room... she escalates to the point where she'll wake Hayden up unless I intervene. I've tried having her in my room with me, watching a dvd while I'm on BW, keep reminding her its quiet time, mommy needs quiet time too, etc., but once she's done with that (20 minutes unless she's somehow fallen asleep), she's raring to go all over again.
Today I got so ticked off with her, Hayden was up between 3 and 5 this morning, Maren was up at 6, during Hayden's afternoon nap I was so sure Maren would nap too, she was exhausted. And I was too!! Instead of giving in to it, she became loud and unreasonable and when I told her it was quiet time she screamed so loud at me that she woke Hayden up. I went and resettled Hayden (no easy task anymore, since pat/shh is now irritating to her) and when I went back into my room where Maren was, she was cheeky with me so I told her that was it, we were going downstairs because she wasn't behaving and I didn't want to wake Hayden up so she screamed even louder (but was laughing at the same time, totally infuriating to me) So I took her downstairs where she continued to scream until Hayden was fully awake... In the meantime, DH is mowing our lawn (during naptime ::) >:( ) I put her shoes on her, marched her outside and handed her off to daddy. I'd had it. Aggravation on top of 4 hours of sleep, and I lost it. DH sensed I needed away from Maren time, so he had her 'help' with the yard work and then they went and got me a tea at the timmie's drive thru.
Anyways, she tantrummed herself to sleep tonight, completely OT, I'm bagged, I'm gonna head to bed soon. Don't have the slightest idea what to do besides some form of sedation (JUST KIDDING!!!) I try putting her down early on the days she has no nap but she parties until even past her normal bedtime.
Any thoughts on how to handle this are much appreciated!!
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Rina---I am feeling physically well---huge but doing good. I am finding the most difficult thing is dealing with Noah---don't seem to have much patience--so thank goodness its friday and DH is home. busy spring cleaning of course...
Bethany--can't remember if your son is in a bed now or the crib---what did you end up deciding on? I know that Noah does not fall asleep great for his nap if I just leave him to it....I hope that comes with time...
so I've decided to intervene a bit...if he is overplaying and getting himself more hyper---then I will lay with him just til he is calm and leave---seems when he is relaxed and tired enough but not past the point of tired he falls asleep in the bed fine...so it is a timing thing...
today was ok...
nap 1:35-2:35 or so
windown at 7:45 --left him at 8 and didn't hear from him after that....so we will see..
question for you guys though about tired signs..
Noah was happy all afternoon---but showing those occasional eye rubs and yawns throughout the evening? do you think this is normal?
as in I'm tired at 8---but not usually asleep til 10:30
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Deb--he's still in a crib, seems to have forgotten that he knows how to climb out (knock on wood). TBH, if I try to intervene at all he gets hopped up and all hope of sleep is gone, so it's really up to him. It's nice in a way, but I do sometimes wish we had some AP to fall back on.
I think some yawning is normal, Deb.
marensmama--{{{hugs}}} I have no idea what to do, but I'm so terrified I'm going to be in that exact boat when #2 arrives next month. Could you run white noise in both of their rooms to try to muffle noises and protect Hayden's sleep? I've found fans to be the very best for really blocking out noises.
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We get eyerubbing and yawning here at random times, even after long night and/or long naps.
We have had 45 min naps here for over a week, doesn't seem to matter how long awake before hand. Must be all she needs.
Luckily, sitting with Zara is still helping, so I am pretty happy about that....the longer I have been doing it for, the better it works....
Those of you with 2 - one sure way that fighting nap won't wake baby is to not have them napping at the same time...yes it is a long day, and no, I didn't do this to myself on purpose, but if there has to be a silver lining? ;)
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slept 8-6:50 or so----stayed in room talking to his monkey til 7:15 :)
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1 hr and 40 min hour nap yesterday as my Mum watched him and she didn't have the heart to wake him. Slept 9pm to 7:20am. He loves to do his nap math and = 12! LOL!
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Well, Maren slept 12 hrs (7:30 to 7:30) so I'll maybe purposely give her no nap today and start wind-down just before 7... see how that goes. Napping doesn't seem to be helping either of us right now! DH reminded me that next week we'll be in Disneyland anyways, any schedule that I manage to encourage will be shot. I'm not that flexible of a person (surprised? ::) ;D ) so 'letting go' isn't always easy for me, but he's absolutely right. So we'll just try rolling with it, see if we can get 12 hr nights with no nap and go from there.
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Stacy, yes good night but no nap yet--its 1:30---hopefully asleep soon and I'll still do 1hr or so..
this is so annoying! why can't I time things right? just cant win--hes not tired early enough in the day---but I know he'll be super grumpy if he only gets 45minutes...
I hate the big boy bed at this point...
marensmama--that sounds like a really good plan! then she can doze only if needed while at disneyland..
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well Noah is finally quiet after Mike went in to resettle him at ---kept saying I want up--its 2:10pm
so not sure how long to let him sleep---maybe 40minutes....and bed at 8??
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Well, 45 min nap yesterday (since we are all reporting lol). Asleep not til about 9pm, but shock of all shocks, my kids woke me up with Zara asking for a drink at 7:45am!!!!!! There were a few night feeds for hugh in there, and had to find Zara's dummy for her at 6 something, but it was still a great suprise!
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well I had a hard time waking Noah --he was in a very deep sleep --so probably finally awake at 3 (I started at 2:50)
should have been earlier I guess--since it is 8:30 and I don't think he is asleep yet...
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Just a quick Q asking opinions.....
If your 2 yr old (and not long 2 at that) did not seem tired even at 7 hrs awake, would you skip nap?
I currently keep on sitting with Zara for her naps, she is very very rarely asleep before 7 hours (though thankfully she is keeping them mostly under an hour all on her own). But from a 7/7:30 wakeup, she usually doesn't fall asleep til 2ish and then I usuually feel like I am doing really well to have her asleep by 9pm...on a rare occasion, 8:30.
I am in two minds about what would be best here, and obviously if we started dropping the nap, if she showed tired signs, I would have her nap, I guess I just can' make up my own mind....
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Rina--I would keep trying for the nap and let nights be shorter, but that just me. I say that only b/c my DS will not show sleepy signs for a nap some days, but we try anyway. After several days have gone by with no naps his behavior is wicked wild, so it seem worth keeping. It also seems like when he skips a couple of naps, he forgets that he's supposed to fall asleep during nap time, lol and then when he is tired and really needs one he won't fall asleep--like we need to have one every day or they're going to stop altogether.
The routine you mention is actually a lot like what we're doing right now. DS sleeps a hair longer in the morning and goes down for nap just a bit earlier (but often takes time to actually get to sleep).
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Thanks Bethany. I realised after I posted that we have a trip coming up (meaning going out for dinner alot) so she will need to nap to keep up with us on that holiday....so I wont change anything for now. Hard when you know that the time they START napping is the time you need them to get up in order to go to bed at a reasonable hour!
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Rina, that seems to be us right now too.
at least 6.5hrs of A time but definately pushing 7, I would also like to keep the nap for a few months and accept slightly shorter nights....but 10 is as short as I want them
allows for a little extra time outside in the evening...
yeserdays nap was a bit late--nap 2:10-3--not alseep til 8:45 and woke this morning at 6:45---so I am still trying to figure out whats best in terms of nap timing and length
think I should have woken him a bit earlier yesterday.
I am hopeing he will nap closer to 1 today and he'll be up by 2:15/2:30----seems 2:30 is our best cut-off time...
::) ::) the analyzing continues...
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Maren didn't nap yesterday. In fact, I didn't even try. We played out in the yard while Hayden napped so we didn't make too much noise and it went well. Started wind-down just before 7, hoping for a 7:30 asleep time, but she played in her window seat until shortly after 8 pm. Woke up at 6:30 today (so I guess slightly better than 6:08 as was her previous time). I'm not sure if I'm going to try for a nap today... her mood is pretty good, she woke up happy... we'll see how it goes. Maybe it's just training for Disneyland! (9 more sleeps, BTW!) How much sleep should she be getting?
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Oh, and when we were playing together, she wanted to be the mommy and kept putting me down for a nap, explaining that I was tired and needed to sleep ::) :P ;D I guess she's heard that more than a few times!
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yes Stacy, we seem stuck at 11.5hrs total--can't believe it...
no I'm not doing 1.5hrs---thinking more like 1hr15---we'll see when he actually falls asleep though..
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Hooray Kaleb!
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Yay, Kaleb! (And Mommy!!:) )
So, the plan today was to stick with no-naps and then have her in bed by 12 hrs from wake-up. Things were going well, until my well-meaning DH snuggled with her on the couch with a blanket (in the theatre room - ie dark) and put on a movie. ::) Guess who fell asleep at 3:30 for 45 minutes? I suggested we wake her up sooner, but he said he tried at the 20 minute mark and she wouldn't wake at all... So, I guess we'll try bedtime at 7 and hope we didn't wreck the night.
:)
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Well I let DS sleep for 2 hours and 10 min! I know, but he seemed out of sorts today, ya know? Well, we have just come in from outside at 8:15pm and he is eating a bran muffin and a yogurt watching Max and Ruby. I will put him in bed at 8:40 and am hoping he is asleep by 9/9:15. There is no point now to put him in earlier when I now know he needs 6 hours wake time, might as well let him chill with some tv and muffin!
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yeh Kaleb!!!!
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LOL at the scissors. I taught Nello this most outrageous and exaggerated silly slow walk right out of Monty Python for N to do with scissors. Makes me howl everytime I see him.
DH and DS love that Max too and love it when Ruby gets proven wrong!
N can't miss 2 days of naps either, but basically if he wakes up at 8am or later a nap won't happen, there are just not enough hours in the day kwim?
So after his marathon nap today, he was in bed no fuss at 8:50 and blabbed to his ladybug light and stuffed animals and was asleep at 9:20.
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Maren played in her window seat for an hour before finally giving in to night sleep. That stupid accidental nap messed us up! She was in such a state all evening, she only just got happy and it was bedtime. I think she needs no naps ever, but then wonder if that's just mean? Would she sleep eventually for the 11-12 hrs at night, or just be chronically OT...
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Zara didn't nap today and Hugh only had 45 mins (turns out he has an ear infection). Difficult afternoon, I am sure you can imagine!
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we had an awful night! :-\
this was yestrerday:
woke 6:45 (10hr night)
slept 1:15-2:30---I woke him
bed for 7:45 and asleep 8:10
he was quiet and relaxed at 7:30---seemed like a good time for bed, but not OT
woke crying at 3:15--and then with that much sleep behind him stayed awake til 5ish
there is absoluely nothing I can do for these NW---just have to wait for him to get tired again and go back to sleep,,arrgh--they do seem to be OT related as they always happen after 7hrs of sleep.
frustrating because we all slept til 8 this morning---and I hope a nap at a decent time is not too much of a stretch
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Deb, could you try this version of W2S? Before you go to bed like at 11 or 12, the later the better, go in there and rustle him a bit and make him have a good stir, re-covering him etc...this has worked for us when we were having repeat wake ups at the 7 hour mark, although I do think ours was teething related at that time. It just rebooted the cycle, kwim? Worth a shot.
A x
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Stacy, he has always done a LONG a time in the am and a shorter one in the afternoon--so it was 6.5hrs yesterday--really that is not that long for him...he was asleep within a good time yesterday --just after 8
I give up!
today is another screwy day of course---tired looking all morning, put him to bed and he was quite happy to run to his room at 1pm----but its 2:15pm and he has just fallen asleep...
since he was up in the night, I know he could not have survived til even 6pm without a nap, but I know its really too late for him to be napping at this point..we are scr**** either way.
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joined BW at like 3months to deal with 45min naps---don't you remember LOL---you were THE nap and pupd moderator at that point!
we han't had any NW for a couple of months..
so think I'll just be happy with a 10hr night 8:30-6:30
least then then he'll nap at the 6-6.5 hr mark and I'll just go with 1.5hr naps for now...
can't win so I'm going to stop trying for now~
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FWIW I agree with Stacy on this one. We get naps at 7 hours, but we get VERY late nights after that, like 9:30 or even later, and have chosen to live with those for now. We also get nights that are less than 10 hrs, often only 9. Again, something we have chosen to live with.
After Zara didn't nap yesterday, the late afternoon/evening was fairly unpleasant, which means napping and short nights right now are what I believe is best for her. Not necessarily best for me, but her needs come first.
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Maren slept until 7:20 this morning (from about 8:10 last night)... so with an 11 hour night, we're possibly happier with no nap at all. I say possibly because she is a bit crabbier than when she is totally well-rested, but my hope is that she'll adjust to going the whole day with no nap. She won't do quiet time either, so after having a fit because I got Hayden up from her nap without big sis in tow, I sat her in front of the tv for 30 minutes, and that seemed to do the trick. Anyone see any reason this will backfire on me completely?
FWIW, if it was just a short night in our case, I'd still nap her, but she fights the nap every step of the way, then has EW and short nights on top of it... I think I'd end up with massive frustration by forcing the nap, and really, she's getting more sleep now with no nap (well, last night anyways ;D )
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thanks Stacy, he is cute---the last thing I want to do is not enjoy him because of stressing about sleep--been there, done that when he was a babe and now I feel guilty about it...
we'll get things sorted, its part him, part big boy bed--so there is only so much I can do...
he asked to go to bed at 7:50---was reading books with dad and told him he wanted to go to bed and he did...
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Stir him , stir him go for it!!!!!!
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marens mum - if she is not unbearable on 1 nap, then go for it. But we had Zara crying over everything last night, it really wasn't worth it. Plus she is older than Zara, Zara is only just 2!
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Rina, I agree completely with you! If they are crabby and irrational then definitely the nap is not done forever. On its way out, sure, but not done IYKWIM. I think for me the thing is, I am fighting for every nap and then paying for it later, and my frustration level is through the roof, so it was really time for me to figure out what the benefits were to napping (she'll be 3 in July, so as you mentioned she's got several months on Zara, and it's developmentally appropriate). And I'm not even sure the nap is gone for good... if this no-nap experiment goes sour then I'll be back forcing the issue again.
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I think perhaps if she does get cranky, then maybe she will at that point actually be tired enough to nap on those days.
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Nicole, 2 things I've found is 1) not offering them every day only on days I really think they are needed & 2) as I have a 4.5yo who occasionaly likes a nap & *I* need the break, they get to watch a DVD while I read a book/computer/do a sudoko... then if one or other falls asleep then it was needed & it sure takes the stress off me too. I then factor more relaxed time (reading stories) & more "organised" activities in the PM so we get less drama.
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Katet, in your experience does the nap then still interfere with night sleep on the occasion your ds does take it?
It's 7am here, and Maren is still asleep, making an almost 12 hr night, so so far so good. I wonder if that's enough or if I will see an accumulated OTness? This is all a bit of an experiment still. :)
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Nicole - FWIW, Ollie gave up the nap before he turned 2. It's actually gone a lot better than I thought but I've been v brave about early bedtimes (earliest 5:30) and he sometimes did 13+ hr nights in the first few weeks. Yes, he can be quite fragile at certain points in the day but overall he's handling it well and though we had a few EW at first this has settled down and we've still not had any serious NW (which was the major symptom of his OT during 2-1 transition). On the occasions when he does fall asleep in the car during the afternoons it takes us an age to get him to sleep at night and those are the days when we usually get an EW and inevitably less sleep overall. Instead of a nap I sit him in front of a DVD (which was The Wizard of Oz every day for about 2 months!!) in a darkened room, as enforcing 'quiet time' was v difficult.
I know it's not the right move for everyone and some people have a real nightmare once the nap has gone but I just thought you might like to know that it can also go well and work out to your advantage (especially when you have two to think about!)
Laura x
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Hey all - TONS of pages to catch up on - will try to read back some. As for us, DD hasn't napped the past three days but prior to that napped most of last week. Go figure. She did, however, sleep from about 8:30pm-8:40am last night with only a very brief waking around 4am when she couldn't find her pillow, so that is good.
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Just when I have her all figured out ..... ::) Miss M decided to nap this afternoon. We were snuggled up in my bed reading books (I wanted her to sleep so I could ;) ) and the phone rang. I was chatting away to my friend when I suddenly heard snoring! I left the room and left her to it, it's been about an hour now, I'm gonna go open the door and hope she hears that Daddy's home. I can't handle the hibernating bear wake-up we went through the other day!
She and Kaleb can still get married though! ;D Imagine how cute our grandkids would be?! (OK, I'm old, but I'm way to young to be thinking like that!!!! :P
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Nicole, There are too many other issues at play around here that I can't say if the nap does or doesn't change his night sleep. BTW I used to get ds1 to sleep by lying down on the bed with him & reading a book, nearly always worked too.
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well I must say, I am still so confused :-\
here was today
slept 8-7am
nap at 1---woke at 2:20 on his own--so I am thinking 1hr15min nap...thought that was great and in good timing!
bed normal time at 7:50 or so
hes been singing twinkle twinkle little star ever since....
at least he has stayed in his bed but its 8:50 and he is not sleeping yet...
so another short night sleep here...
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As for us, DD fell asleep last night between 8:30-8:40 but woke at 6:50 today for first time in a while so I'm hoping she definitely naps today. Will probably put her in her crib by 12:30 unless she asks/needs sooner and if she naps cut her at 1.5 hours tops.
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Maren was up in her window seat until after 8, woke up at 6, so we'll probably go without nap again today. She'll nap tomorrow at daycare anyways, and then hopefully on Tuesday on the plane ;D
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night was ok short as expected
-asleep finally at about 8:50pm
woke at 4:45 talking for a few minutes???
then slept til 7:20 or so.
trying for normal nap time at 1ish
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OMG - SO tired today! After a 10 hour night, DD napped from 12:40-2:10 (woke on own but I was about to wake her) yesterday. She was asleep for night by about 9 (despite going into her crib just after 8). Then she proceeded to wake at 11:15, 12:30 and 4:30 and woke for the day at 6:30 - WAY early for her. Haven't braved a check yet but suspecting the last molar (would be her top left one). Will let her nap for 1.5 hours again today and bedtime 8pm and do Tylenol first!
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good luck Karen, hope its that last darn molar!
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Ugh, DS has a cold, so I let him sleep in a bit and now he's not napping. He's so tired and such a mess. Sleep, buddy, sleep!
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Ugh, that's rotten Bethany. It seems they like to refuse sleep when it would do them the most good! Hope he's feeling better soon.
Maren did not sleep at daycare today (DCP not quite so smug now :P ) but she had a complete meltdown after dinner (which I handled remarkably well given DH was out and Hayden was waking from her catnap, thanks in part to Stacy and Katet's advice)... Glad to put her to bed at 6!
:)
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My almost 23 MO son is in his crib, talking non-stop for almost an hour now (hardly qualifies as nap/quiet time). He did the same for almost two hours yesterday (including about a ten minute session of saying "Up down up down up down" really really fast, and I'm sure jumping up and down holding on to the edge of his crib). :o
What do to? Do you intervene and try to tell him it's time for sleep? Or let him go? He just started crying, but yesterday's interventions didn't help at all. I just went in, because the crying sounded desperate, I put my hand on his back and he started giggling. . . We successfully did p/u p/d when he was little, but don't seem to be having the same luck with w/i w/o now (but maybe I'm not applying right).
We're used to 11 to 12 hours of sleep at night from him, plus anywhere from 1 to 2 hour nap (at about 5-6 hours after wake up). Here's the kicker: I have DS #2 on the way in less than 2 weeks (May 12). Please tell me this isn't the end of naps for my almost two year old. . . .
I think he's O/T (much more whining and clinginess than usual), but don't know where to go from here. Any advice appreciated!
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Rachel, how are things going over there? sorry none of us have responded...
can you write out your typical day? has he started napping again?
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hey Stacy--sent you a pm last week but maybe you didn't get it? my sis had her baby may 1st--11days early! so yes I want this baby out NOW!
had that interview on wednesday---so any time now would be great! I am having BH contractions every evening with back pain but nothing real yet.
Noah is Noah---not sleeping enough I don't think but he is napping and I want that for now.
How is Kaleb? napping?
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LOL, you didn't miss much of a message--just sort of a happy one..
Noah is only sleeping 10hr nights and 1hr 20/30min naps--doesn't seem enough...but honest to g**, when he does sleep 11hrs at night and naps 1hr-1hr15--the next night is only 10hrs....
so like 11.5 is our max..
thats great on the PT--want to start that this summer after the babe comes...
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Deb just wanted to let you know that at this age 12hrs in 24hrs is generally the normal. Catherine is now doing 10.5-11hrs at night and 1hr 15min naps (she wakes on her own).
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Thanks Natasha--I wish we were getting 12hrs!--just doesn't quite work out that way despite any tweaking I do. we'e always been less then average--so I guess thats that.
he is doing ok with going to bed about 8 and will spend 30min or so in bed winding down and then wakes about 6:30--usually knocking on his door in the morning at about 7.
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Deb - 11-11.5 is normal here too. We are getting about 10ish at night, 1ish during the day give or take. The occasional skipped nap early bed, and the occasional long nap, late bed. It all evens out.
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no! :'( :'( :'(
trying--send me some labour vibes!
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still no baby and my toddler is driving me crazy!!
can anybody give me some advice??
so it seems he'll nap close to 1pm--doesn't matter what time he woke....so there have been some day where he has woken at 7:30 (slept 11hrs )and still willing to nap at 1
last night he fell asleep at 8:45,
and woke at 6:30am
we had gymtastics 11-12 so nap was at 12:45----probably asleep within 5min or so and woke on his own 2:10---so I am assuming maybe 1hr 20 but I can't know for sure..
considering EW I tried for a bedtime at 7:45----but of course he is not sleeping yet at 8:30pm---it is way to darn HOT here so maybe thats the issue??
I keep on thinking this is OT but to be honest he is acting nice and fine.
anyway, I have considered doing 1hr naps but do you push them forward or leave them at 1pm..
so assuming he wakes in 10hrs maybe 6:30/6:45---what time would I plan the 1hr nap for?
12:30-1:30?
1-2?
and then what bedtime 13hrs after wake? maybe 7:30
I totally struggle with cutting the nap when the previous night was only 10hrs---seems much easier to do when the night was 11hrs--
just babbling now but where is everybody?
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Deb, here's some labor vibes for you ~~~~~~~~~easy, soon labor~~~~~~~~ TBH, I fussed about Maren's naps more obsessively than normal when I was pg too, I think it's a little hormonal. Hopefully it won't seem as confounding when you get back to being 'you'. :)
Where in Canada are you? I'm on Vancouver Island, it's hot here too.
Maren napped once in Disneyland for a 1/2 hour. Considering there were many late nights and early days, she did pretty well. However, she did nap at daycare again for 2 hours yesterday and was back to being Miss Q.T. Pie. Today, not so much on either count. I swear she is sooooo much better behaved when she naps, but she's decided it's not ever going to happen again. I don't know what I'm going to do when she's a teenager.
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I'm in Calgary--its like 25 degrees---too hot when you are 40weeks pregnant and none of your maternity clothes are even fitting..
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Awww. Poor thing, I bet you're so uncomfortable. It's 25 here tonight too, but not unbearable. No sign of labor yet though? I went 5 days over with Maren (Hayden was a scheduled C-section) and she was born in July but luckily it was not a hot summer. Speaking of the devil, she's partying in her window seat with no nap and a 13 hr day. And crabby, won't let me change her pull-up, won't go anywhere near the potty. I'm on how many support threads on this site!? ::)
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ok, thanks Stacy,,
h woke at 6:45---so 10hrs exact
think I'll try in bed for 12:45--and up a 2---that way he will probabky have mybe 1hr 5min or something, and then bed for 7:45--hopefully asleep a little after 8
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I put Maren down for a nap today. She agreed, asked for a story but no songs, and has been asleep for over an hour now. ??? She was up at 5, DH brought her into our bed, I'd normally disagree with that but H had a rough night from our attempt at solids and I couldn't be bothered to fight it. She fell asleep until 7, but had partied in the window seat until 8:30 last night. I really just don't know what I'm doing anymore... H is included in that, but that's like 10 other posts. *sigh*
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oh boy Stacy! I do feel better-sorry, its such a guessing game..
Mike is planning a fire and inviting a few neigbours and kids---so I did a 1hr15min nap again...put him in there 12:55 and woke him at 2:15--hopeing he has played outside enough this afternoon etc, I'll see how hes acting and I think aim for bed at 8
I wonder if I'm putting him in there too early and just delaying the falling asleep process especially now that he is in his bed and rather then falling asleep hes just acting up,
not sure but last weekend he was actually staying in his bed at bedtime and staying there for 20-30min, and sleeping 11hrs---lasted a few days and it was bliss!
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What was I thinking? I got Maren to nap with no trouble today and she was so zonked, I let her sleep for 3 hours before I woke her up. :o :o :o I left her bedroom door open for the last hour of the nap and laughed and played with Hayden quite loudly and ground coffee and she still did not wake up. DH went in and picked her up, brought her out to the living room and she fell asleep again for 10 minutes. She is so happy and sweet though, it was worth it. I think, ask me again when she's still up at midnight!! ::)
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:o LOL Oh no, Nicole! Maybe it will be okay though. I have to say, my DS is a rockstar night sleeper and he's taken a few long naps like that for one reason or another in the last month and we put him to bed maybe half hour late and he goofed around a bit, but then went right to sleep and slept to his normal time. However, no way he would take a nap the following day.
Hope it works out okay. :-*
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We'll definitely do a later bedtime... DH and her Papa are trying to wear her out outside. She's just behaving so well, it's honestly a treat compared to yesterday. That's the trouble with the whole thing, I know she still needs the nap because she's so crabby without it! And yet she refuses most days!
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I put Miss M to bed at 8, no party, asleep right away, slept until she heard me up with H at 5, DH told her to go back to sleep, and she did until 7:30 :o :o :o
Turns out I have no clue ever ::)
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Well, yay for no party. I was thinking of you last night around midnight, lol--seriously. :-*
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:-* Thanks Bethany! She didn't nap today (not that I actually expected she would). She just likes to keep me guessing.
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sounds like Maren and Kaleb did fantastic...
Noah was up bit before 7 so thats fine..
anyway, I'm still around--no baby :'(
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Well, there is a baby, it just likes to keep you guessing as to when you'll finally meet it! :D
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lol Stacy, today I made butternut-squash/apple/pear puree oatmeal muffins!
used a recipe from that Jessica Seinfield Deceptivley delicious cookbook, could of used carrot instead of the squash--hmmm....
dr won't schedule an US/induction until May 26th---seem cruel anybody? baby will be 10lbs by then!
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Maren was 40w5d and weighed 7lbs7.5 oz, so I'm sure your babe won't be huge (unless you know he/she's already a big one!). FWIW, I drank pineapple juice till I just about barfed and it didn't work, so don't go that route! ;D
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Umm don't bet on it not being 10lb LOL ...ds2 was due 17th & he was helped along on the 25th ... I was actually enough dilated that they just broke my water & that got labour going but he was 10lb4oz...that said he is & always has been 99% for height & has a 97% head... I nick named him the lollypop baby as he was so long with a big head... but newborn nappies were loose on his narrow body LOL
But he was always big & Dr had me tested 3x for GD due to his size & there was dispute 2x over size v date... but I *knew* exactly when he was concieved. LOL
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well I was measuring 41 weeks right around the 39week appt, also they measured baby about 6lbs at that 34 week US I had.
I was much smaller with Noah and he was 8lbs.
I was 10 lbs 4oz when I was born.
Noah had pretty crap night
asleep just before 9
heard him at 5:30,6 and 6:30---so not sure exactly if he ws jst dozing but definately awake at 6:30----tried to get him back to sleep--gave up at 8.
I am thinking nap at 12:15/12:30----and up by 2
bed for 7:45--hopefully asleep before 8:30
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Oh, well in that case don't buy any 0-3 month sleepers! :P
LOL Katet, your little lollipop!
Maren didn't nap yesterday, had an 11.5 hour night... I guess we can't complain and maybe just grab the odd nap as needed.
:)
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why is this so flippin difficult?
so Noah--up about 6:30 (after asleep at 9)
slept 12:45ish-2:15
tired looking this evening by 6:30
in bed for 7:40 but now seems to have gotton a 2nd wind! darn maybe I should of just put him to bed at 7
I hate 2nd winds--just go to sleep! I know he needs it...its 8:30 already..so frustrating
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I know--dammit---but he IS tired, yawned and rubbed his eyes at 6:30-----was tired and not really playing at 7pm----so of course I tried to get him to bed before the 2nd wind--didn't happen,
I'm so annoyed---I know he'll be up before 7--so really I would like asleep by 8:30 at the latest....he needs a good night sleep but just won't seem to take one.
thing is...he seems to play 45min either way, so last night I tried the later to bed---8:10 or so---and he played to 9pm
its frustrating when he looks so exhausted! and I feel exhausted..
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Deb, go have that baby already, will ya!!!??? ;) I know how frustrating it is when you know they need it but they are big enough to refuse it. I'm learning to let go, you will have to do the same eventually! But then you can worry about other stuff like the new baby or potty training or solids... they always give us a challenge!
Maren didn't nap today either, didn't bother trying, couldn't get her inside and upstairs... her lil' sis traded her afternoon nap for a 20 minute sleep in the car and a 2.25 hr catnap ??? so no nap here and no clean house! ;)
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Deborah, everything will be fine, don't fret over this. Soon you'll have a new baby whose sleep you will worry over and toddler sleep will not seem like an issue. Riley was starting to drop his nap while I was pg with Kate, but I hung onto it as the nap in the day suited me fine as I rested then too, and the late nights were annoying, but manageable.
Riley was 2.5 when she was born, and they both got sick with RS just after she came home. Sleep went crazy, then I decidied to drop his nap. We got 12 hour nights. He did wake a few times when I was doing night feeds (I still cosleep with Riley and Kate is in our room too, an added element to deal with). But over the space of a few weeks, everything settled down and now he will do 12-13 hours consistently. It will be fine, it really will. I am so over naps, can't wait til Kate is done with hers, long way to go for that lol.
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Ya, Michelle is right. I'm finding Hayden's naps are now really interfering with our days! ;D Can't wait until she's down to 1 but don't want to wish a minute away! Now, Deb, go have that baby, I mean it. You are now overdue. :-*
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Hey all - sorry been MIA! DD was really sick last week (another one of her mystery viruses with super high fever) and really busy with house stuff too.
Now that DD is feeling better, sleep has to get back in order. She only slept 9.5 hours last night and was up at 6:10 (ugh) - probably not tired enough and needs to burn off energy (but rainy out today). Will limit her nap to 1.5 hours today (should probably cut more but want to do a short treadmill run and shower during it). Ideally her nap is an hour (or less) and night 11 hours or more but that rarely happens!!!
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thanks everyone for your words of support...gosh I was so tired from late to bed Sunday night and EW Monday that I was more frustrated then normal. fell asleep on the couch at 9--not much later then Noah who I think was finally asleep at 8:45.
he loves to do flips in his bed---literally--he does somersaults and ends up in a head type stand against the wall (bed pushed in to the corner) , crazy, thats his favorite activity-does it on the couch too. I am partially worried about him hurting himself when he should be falling asleep.
he woke about 7 today, so I am going to try a 1hr nap ----am I better pushing that nap to 1:30-2:30? and then asleep for 8:30? or 1-2pm? just not sure how much A time he can handle after a 1hr nap.
I don't "think" this baby is coming anytime soon--really I feel that he is going to stay in there FOREVER! I've been off work for over a month and as Stacy knows--all the clothes have been hanging in the closet for a few months. I keep on doing things thinkiing the baby will come--I mean every week when I wash the sheets--I think oh maybe this will be the last time I will wash the sheets before the baby comes---and then a week later I have to do it again.. ::)
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Thinking of you Deb... I know it's hard not to wish this time away, but enjoy your peace and quiet, life will be different all over again soon!
Maren slept 12.5 hours last night, with no nap, seems pretty happy so far, we'll try for same today! :)
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Or not... she's been asleep for 2 hours... time to go open her door, except I'm enjoying my peace and quiet. ;)
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Looks like I need to join you guys or some much needed support.
Zach will be three in August. He has ALWAYS been a great napper, always needed a nap, slept 3 hours for his nap and still 11 hours at night.
I would say for the past 7 months (well heck since Tyler was born), he has tried to drop that nap, but would end up falling asleep at like 4:00 in the afternoon and then going to bed super late.
All that has changed. He is in bed now by 8:30 at the latest and wakes about 8:00/9:00 in the morning
Here is the problem. He still needs that nap most days. He gets so whiny (i mean so whiny) and just walks around in circles and whines "mommy, mommy". I try to lay down with him, but he will not sleep.
So by the end of the day, he refuses bath, everything because he is so tired.
Looks like I am not a lone though with not taking a nap.
Any advice on what I should do with the constant whinning???
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ear plugs. :P
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Just kidding... ;D I wish I had the answer, believe you me... Anyways, welcome aboard! We're not going anywhere fast, this is quite a transition!
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LOL.. Oh trust me, I have thought about it.
I just keep telling myself that one day, he will have nothing to do with mommy and I will miss his whining.
Gosh, when will that day come.. ha...
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Ya, Michelle is right. I'm finding Hayden's naps are now really interfering with our days! ;D Can't wait until she's down to 1 but don't want to wish a minute away!
I feel the same way :-[ :P
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:)
Cute new avatar, Natasha!
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Well ladies I haven't been around much as we seem to have found a formula that is working for us.
For the last 2 weeks it has pretty much been like this Tues, Thurs & Sat ds2 doesn't nap (or has 10-15mins in car)... Sun, Mon & Wed he does for up to 1.5 or even 2 hours and Friday ds1, ds2 & I all nap (ds1 & I have fallen asleep watching a movie together LOL) & that works perfectly with dh too as it means both boys tend to get an early night on opposite nights & dh gets 1-1 with the other.
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Ahh Kate, I aspire to find this secret formula...well done.
A x
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Kate that sounds FANTASTIC!!!
Wendy - wish I could help you on the whining... How goes it with Zach and his DGE and/or intolerances?
Ugh - DD up at 6:10 here (after not falling asleep until 8:40 even though she seemed REALLY tired yesterday afternoon). Tried to cut her nap to 1.25 yesterday but she was dead to the world until almost 1.5 hours anyway. And today I really need to let her have that 1.5 hours (she'd want more) as I have to bring her on a work outing this afternoon and need her in a halfway decent mood. Oh the fun.
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Deb are you still pregnant? I notice no update yesterday!!?? :) Hope all is well!
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Stacy, there's nothing sick about not moving Kaleb to a BBB! I would've kept Maren in hers for longer, but she got sick in her crib and developed a fear of it. Once she got over that fear (but we'd already got the BGB, DH was finishing it in the garage) she said she didn't want the bed and I told her to let me know when she was ready for it. Two weeks later, she out of the blue tells me that she's ready for the BGB now. We moved it in and she never really got out of it (until the window seat parties). TBH, if I could do it all again, I'd wait for her to fully transition to no naps before getting rid of the crib.
Maren's at daycare today, and she's due for a nap (didn't have one yesterday or day before, could have used one) so my DCPs smugness will continue ::) ;D
Gotta go clean my house while I have the chance... miss H is currently asleep for her morning nap!
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Stacy I woudl of kept N in a crib too if he didn't decide to go to a bed on his own..If K is happy, no worries.
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Yesterday proved my theory wrong as it was Thursday & he did nap BUT the rubbish trucks came late (5.30am) & woke him & he watched them (normal) & never went back to sleep (abnormal) so he was up from 5.30 & it was dh's Birthday so it meant he was able to be happy & enjoy Grandparents & dinner etc...Today we had a wet bed (no night nappies) for the first time in ages... guessing from yesterday so I've been up since 5am (when he woke) but fortunately he went back to sleep until almost 7am... bet today neither boy naps & I SOOO need the Friday nap, I've had 3 really late nights this week (too many Birthdays around here at this time of year)
Stacy - admit it you would have Kaleb in a crib until he was 21 if you could ;)
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Well no nap, today & no upset children either... ok Mr almost 3 did spend about an hour playing on the computer... he is quite the IT boy, working his way through the Duplo site, Bob site & the Caillou train track game, he then had a super long bath & dh was home a bit early so all good & he was asleep at 6.45am, 12 hours & 10mins after he woke.
He will have heaps of chance for a nap tomorrow as we are going 1 3/4hours each way for us to meet my Sis (who lives 3 1/4 hours away) to celebrate 7 Birthdays... her dh & ds & my dh & ds2, plus ds2's 2 God parents & my best friend, all who have Birthdays between the 21st & 31st (we have 3 other close family & friends with them in that period too - thus earlier in the week).... we seem to have a "connection" with gemini's with 5 more Birthdays June 1-11 LOL ) We are going on a steam train in the Blue Mountains (West of Sydney) which will be fun as the Boys (my 2 & Nephew) LOVE trains.
HAVE A LONG NIGHT MR KALEB.
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hey guys!
Cohen James Shields was born last night at 8:53pm after a whole whopping 2hr very painful labour.
weighed 9lbs and 6oz, 23inches long :o :o
will post another seperate thread with story and pics...
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Ahhhhh, that's so exciting--sound fast and intense! :-*
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Hooray Deb congrats! ;D :-*
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Wow! That's great news! Congrats!
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thanks..
rough night for us all though...
Noah is VERY tired...he was awake and talking at like 10:30, 1, 4:30---for at least an hour, then woke when Cohen was crying at 7
so I'm not sure,but maybe 8-9hrs of sleep...
think he'll probably go for a early nap at 12,
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Deb, I know this nap business is tough but keep in mind, your body is going through major changes, you will be tired, sleep-deprived, trying to figure out how to be a family of 4 instead of a family of 3, and getting to know this new little baby... Noah's world as he knows it has been turned upside down... he may go through a new bout of SA, might wake up at several of Cohen's NWs, so his sleep will be off and you will probably not be able to figure any of it out. Don't frustrate yourself by trying. If he seems tired, put him down at a set nap time every day (he's too old for A time to matter as long as it's not too late in the day when he naps). If he naps, great, if he doesn't, well that's OK too, there's a lot going on, he'd hate to miss it, I'm sure. You will all be fine and better for it in the long run!
:)
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Hey there
I came on BW a lot when DS was tiny as had loads of problems with naps (getting past that first 45 min sleep cycle)...but he's always been brilliant at night. He's 18 months tomorrow and about 4 days ago for the first time ever had huge probs settling to go to sleep. Basically, he didn't seem tired enough.
He's been getting regular 2 hour naps at nursery (5 days a week), and though not as reliable, usually has the same at home at weekends. At nursery, he goes down around 1pm which they've started to bring earlier to around 12.30pm to fit in with the Little Learners room he's moving up to (from Baby Care), which has proved no prob for them...as he is completely happy to fit in with the routine that all the other LOs are doing. At home it's a little different, we watch his cues, he probably doesn't get as worn out with us, and he's usually down by 2pm latest.
Today (ie Saturday, at home) he wouldn't go down for a nap at all and seemed quite lively and happy, only went to bed a little earlier than usual, around 7pm (usually 7.30pm). Still had trouble settling but this was 3rd night of trying WI/WO and it worked quite quickly.
So, actually my question is just that I'm wondering what is the common age at which LOs start to need no nap? I think he'll still be happy to nap at nursery, maybe for a shorter time but may be likely to need none at the weekends.
It may seem mad to be asking this with DS at 18 months but he has always dropped his naps v. v. early (ie at a young age) compared with the 'norm'. Eg, he was down to 1 nap by 11 months.
Thanks in advance for any comments/tips.
Nikki
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I think it's uncommon to drop the nap before 2.5 years, but there are, of course, excpetions. Many of us on this thread with younger LOs are finding that with a little less night sleep we can get LO to nap at least some of the time. So, for my LO, his total sleep reuqirement has dropped and I've had to find the right balance between his day and night sleep so that he will nap as, despite being nearly 2.5, without a nap, he's not so fun to be around. :(
If he seems to do well napping at nursery and not at home I wouldn't sweat it. Personally, I think I'd try to stick with the times that they use at nursery as his body will be used to sleeping at that time and more likely to go along with it.
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Well, Maren slept for 3.5 hours today for nap. :o :o :o I let her go as long as she needed to because we're having a big BBQ tonight and she won't go to bed that close to her normal time anyways. She'll wear herself out with her cousins that are here. The trouble will not be going to bed, it will be saying goodbye when she's had so much fun! ;D
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wow-you are brave--3.5hrs!!
Noah wouldn't nap early so nap was 12:50-2:30 when I woke him..
of course tired come 5pm--actually went to his bed a few times and layed down and asked for the door to be closed...
I wish I had the ability to let him nap to make up but it just doesn't work---ends up sleeping less next night and stays OT.
so he was in bed for 7:30 and asleep at 8, fingers crossed.
I have rearranged my room a bit, hopeing Cohen's crying won't wake him as much...but if it does at least he is asleep a little earlier for the evening.
Stacy, for sure we'll get together this summer...maybe June
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Congraulations Deb... not that I remember 3 years ago - actually rather enjoying our first day with 2 preschoolers LOL but dc1 will adjust & get used to noise etc... we never used white noise for either child & I really can only remember 2 occasions where I had to wake dh as I had 2 children to deal with otherwise they slept through each other... pity I can't though... nearly 5 years & I still stir to their noises.
We had a FANTASTIC day yesterday at the Zig Zag railway for ds2 & his cousin's Birthday (& all the adult ones too LOL) & we had 2 sleeping boys & one snoozing mumma on the car trip home & still had them in bed asleep only 45mins later than bedtime... no nap today as other cousins were here but at 5.45 he is close to ready for bed... just about to chow down on some of his favourite short soup (when dh & him get back from the shop) & then stories & bed!... yeah early night for Mummy too.
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well it seems OT monster has set in.
Noah was asleep at 8, but basically woke 8:45, 10, 11, 12--quick cries and resettles--nothing much to do with Cohen. then slept til just before 7, thank goodness.
down for nap at 12:30---basically screaming and crying and throwing his lunch so went to bed without lunch, :-\
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Deb, don't forget, Noah's life is suddenly topsy-turvy. No matter how much attention you try to give him, you also have a newborn to look after and that is a HUGE adjustment for him (speaking from experience here!!). It wouldn't matter if he was tired or not (and it certainly doesn't help that he is, but it's unavoidable regardless). Maren loved her sister like crazy from the start but there was a lot of attention getting behaviour (not jealous behaviour, just lots of tantrums, lots of whining, lots of not listening) in those early days. I tried to remember that as hard as it was for us to adapt to being a family of four it was worse for her because she didn't have the maturity to even know what she was feeling let alone work through it rationally. It's hard, but it's likely not a nap issue, it's an "OMG, my life has changed and I want what I had before" issue. The good news is that it will get better, but honestly, please don't get worked up over his naps, that might even make it worse because he'll feel the stress around it and you will get more frustrated when he doesn't nap.
Hugs! :)
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Hi Bethany
Thanks very much for the advice. It all helps - I am looking for reasons why things might have changed recently. So, I guess it probably is way too early for him to actually drop the nap. It could just be other things going on in his little head at the moment.
We tried having him nap at the same time as nursery but he just wasn't tired enough and wouldn't settle. He's learned independent sleep so when he won't go down, it's usually because he's just not tired enough. We have to watch his cues really carefully (we do now ask him if he wants a sleep but we don't get any clear replies yet - not speaking quite enough yet!) I think he's happy to nap at nursery because of 'positive peer pressure', in other words when it's time to nap, he'll follow the crowd. It's completely different at home and the little nap routines I carefully worked on before he started there (at 13 months) are nice but don't appear to be so useful anymore - what I really need is half a dozen little children for him to copy!
It's really helpful though to get some thoughts on adjusting all his sleep though, ie including at night.
BTW I have two nephews, 3yrs 8m & 2 yrs 4 months. They both dropped their last nap fairly young, and I recall that the younger one started being 'obstinate' about it a few months ago, ie he must've been under 2...now he only naps when out in the pushchair or in the car, never at home. It is tough for my SIL who's a SAHM as he does get stroppy and quite naughty when he's knackered, but there's no persuading him (and I guess you can't force a child to go to sleep). They both go to bed at 6.15pm!
DS had no nap again today. We had visitors so he was happy-and-hyped but still fine and only rubbing eyes a few times from 5pm onwards. WI/WO took a bit less time again this evening so may go onto that thread to encourage people that that method does work!
Thanks again and good luck to all of you!
Nikki
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thanks marensmama, what a day of emiotions around here.
Noah probably not tired enough, only napped 1hr 12:45-1:45
put him to bed at 7:30--couldn't seem to get him to bed any earlier---
I'll have to keep that phrase "attention seeking behaviour" in mind---he is really gettiing on my nerves today--hope my sweet boy returns soon
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He will. Just in his own time, once he feels like his place in his family isn't threatened by the new 'intruder'. And you may feel loads of guilt in the meantime, wondering what you've done to your family. Or at least I did! Just give him loads of attention, concentrate on the positive praise for as much as you can, and make time for extra snuggles during Cohen's nap times. If he'll read books with you that can be nice when you're feeding the baby. Our difficulties lasted a bit longer because I literally couldn't put Hayden down for the first 6-8 weeks while she suffered with reflux. Oh and I was sleep-deprived and crabby. ;D It will get better, hang in there!
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Deb life for your little man has changed forever & he will change with it, you will have good days & bad days, but most of all remember he isn't doing it to drive you mad (although it can feel like that) he is doing it because it is the only thing he can do to "cope" or "communicate" the changes are having an impact on him. I remember having a really bad week & my friend said When ever he is happily occupied & you are walking near enough to go past & ruffle his hair or stoop & give a kiss DO IT... it is so easy to say "he's quiet lets just leave him to it" but that often means they feel even more left out... I mean all the people asking about the new baby (& gifts etc) can't exactly help a child feel wanted... we've had a 4.5yo "acting out" because his brother had a birthday & so the focus was on his brother (& Dad).
As a slightly spirited Adult it doesn't take much to upset my applecart, so I can imagine the impact of it all on a toddler.
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today was better after a decent nights sleep for us all.
Noah is awesome--very nice to his brother but just a little crazy---wants to go in all of the baby things--the playpen, playmat etc---totally should of set this stuff up months ago...I am dreading bringing out the swing as I know he'll be in it.
Stacy--totally Noah is so BIG---felt that way today when I was changing his diaper after changing Cohens-----went out and bought some PT supplies. wont start anytime soon but maybe in 6weeks or something...I may need some tips from you there.
so on a napping thread---Noah did normal nap today after a 10hr night--seems to be his thing.
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Deb even if you'd got those things out months ago He'd still be into them now... even if he was 10yo
a friend who has a 8yo & 10y & 3mo was saying the other day her 2 big children climbed into the cot when the first put it up & one of them even wanted to go in the stroller... just what they do
He might be big but if he wants to be a baby let him, a) it is age appropriate, my youngest & most of his friends the same age (non with babies younger) are all doing it & b) it is a way they can cope... do things like wrapping him in a blanket & cuddling if need be, makes them feel they are just as special as the baby KWIM.
Napping around here has hyped up after a super busy 5 days, yesterday he fell asleep on the train & I carried to the car & he slept 2.5hours total... only 1/2 hour late for bed too... today he ASKED for a nap at 11.20 & was asleep by 11.30.... 12.30 & still asleep. I do think there is some serious growing going on with both boys as they are eating sooo much & even the eldest has napped (ie fallen asleep watching TV) the last 2 days... on Monday when ds2 didn't LOL.
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I agree with Katet, Maren asks me to feed her and hold her 'like a baby' a lot even still. I just do it because I figure she'll stop asking me by the time she turns 18!
Ooh, growth! That makes total sense. Maren has been eating us out of house and home these last few days, had lots of great naps last week and then none so far this week. I was trying to figure out what the variable was and couldn't. Hmmm.
BTW, Katet, I was looking back at my original posts (to see how little I knew in those days! :P ) and you were very patient in your answers to my posts about Maren's EWs. :)
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hey everyone,
just wondering--do your kids play outside after supper and do you find they need to be in by a certain time in order to settle to sleep?
after a really short night monday,
Noah actually slept 8pm til 7:40am this morning.
but really wanted and needed a nap slept 12:55-2:10 maybe--woke up on his own.
bed for 8ish- is maybe asleep now at 9pm..
so really I'm just wondering if playing outside til 7:30pm for an 8pm bedtime is too late? maybe we should be doing inside by 7---but DH and I disagree.
Noah loves the baby swing ::)
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Oh ya, Maren LOVES the swing too, except it's a borrowed one, and I'm pretty sure the maximum weight is not up to 31 lbs!! She now knows it's only for babies and dollies. ::)
I read somewhere that it's too stimulating for some kids to be outside right before bed. If you think that's Noah, then I'd maybe make hubby a bet and try his way for 3 days and your way for 3 days.
How is newborn hell? Or was is just hell with a refluxer and you're in newborn heaven?! :) Don't forget to update your signature line so Cohen is included!
Maren didn't nap the last 3 days, but has been sleeping ~12 hrs at night. She did nap today, so bedtime was a little later, she was still asleep by 8:00 so that wasn't too bad. Her personality is coming back (as is mine, so which came first, I wonder? :P ) and we're adjusting to naps maybe 2-3 times a week. I let her sleep as much as she likes for the nap and it all works out well. Must be a good day, I'm feeling less stressed about both girls naps. I almost feel like I know what I'm doing! ALMOST! ;D
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LOL. I am sure that Noah is over 31lbs.
I do sort of think maybe outside is too stimulating..
good idea on trying 3 days of each way...
I think inside for 7 is reasonable, has time for wash and pjs and then a good 30minutes of chilling on the couch with books etc. problem is that we live on culdesac with many kids that are quite often outside riding and he tends to stand at the window yelling hi to them!
Cohen is doing ok actually--feeding every 3hrs or so and 3-4hrs at night..I'm ok with this stage, its the stage when he becomes super alert, easily stimulated and starts 45min napping that I am not looking forward to.
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Well, I'm learning lots and pretty soon will have all the nap answers for you when you get there ;) and if I don't we'll get Stacy to weigh in on it!
LOL re the kids outside. I always feel sorry for the parents who live next to the parks in the neighborhood! ;D
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oh yes Stacy was THE nap goddess back in my days, helped me so much...still does! Luv ya girl!
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We work and play outside basically all day long only coming in for some meals, sometimes he has his lunch on his small picnic table. We do supper as a family on our patio. We have a pool too, so loads of fresh air and activity. The last week N has been playing outside until 7:30pm and he knows this is when he has to come in and he watches In the Night Garden or Little Bear. He has a snack and a bath then bed by 8-8:15. He is ready for his bed, no arguments, I think he falls asleep in about a half hour give or take 10 min. He wakes usually between 7:15-7:45am. I put him in my room with TV for rest/nap time at 12:45 and he usually sleeps 1.5 hours. The days he does 2 hour nap, bed is more like 8:30pm and asleep by 9pm which I don't mind in the summer. If he only goes in and rests no sleep, his bed is 7:30. He asks to come in for nap, he is truly tired these days. Sometimes we do nap in buggy but not too much lately as he is willing to come in and chill and generally falls asleep during his tv rest time. I don't let him sleep past 3pm.
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UGH. Maren napped yesterday and why I even bother, I'll never know. She farted around alternating sweetness and screaming demands until 9, then was up at 6 I woke with what I can only describe as the worst case of PMS in the history of the world, tired after nights of NW and EW from deswaddling Hayden. Today she is a little monster who knows every button to push to drive Mommy around the bend. I even tried to get her to nap just so I could have some peace and she just ended up throwing a fit that woke up Hayden. Grrrr. Sorry for the rant. :(
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Wow, am I in a bad mood today or what!? I think some venom dripped off that last post! Sorry! Our day did not get any better, in fact, I put the little darling to bed 40 minutes early, she's still yelling for one more story, song, glass of water (there's one in her room), a tissue (there's a box on her dresser). I told her she can yell as loud as she wants, I'm not going back in her room for one more anything and I'd see her in the morning. Lovely. :-\
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HUGS marensmama, it will all be better tommorow! :-* :-*
I have already felt myself getting anxious about EASY---aargh told myself wouldn't do it this time around...
Cohen is doing great! but he does like a pacifier--looks for it and sucks around when he is tired...we were out for supper and Cohen woke to eat about 6, ended up being awake from then until 8:30 when he fell asleep eating of course--we had forgotten the paci at home.
Noah was up singing twinkle little star last night 4am -5am --I think woke from Cohen crying, so anyway a bit of a sleep in til 8am. nothing new really.
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OK, well I had a long hot shower and all is quiet upstairs. Gave me a chance to put it all into perspective. DH was out in the yard ALL day, and I was so tired from Hayden's NW and EW that I think we just lost sight that Maren is just a toddler who can't sleep for some reason. She's not doing this to bug us and on any other day it may not have bugged us this much. When we were out in the yard together she was a doll and she listened very well when we went shopping for party supplies for her. We just caught up in the negativity of the day and she fed off of it. My bad. At least she'll give us another chance tomorrow to deal with it better.
Deb, thanks for the hugs. Right back at ya, these early days are tough so don't get too worked up about Cohen's EASY. The upside, however is that now you have something to worry about other than Noah's naps! ;)
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we had day 2 of no nap today (even though she was at daycare, and they layed her down, she just didn't sleep).
Coincidentally, today was the happiest I ahve seen her for a few weeks, maybe she needs this change now? We were accepting short nights to keep the nap, but they got down to 9 hours, which just wasn't working for me, seems maybe it wasn't working for her either.
Lovely to have my evening back!
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Maren had a nap yesterday but woke up psychotic, kicking, screaming, flailing, had the worlds biggest tantrum about her pants being changed (didn't want to even though she had a poo ::) ). Once we got that sorted out, I didn't even try to put her to bed until 8:15, she went straight to sleep and she slept until 7 so that wasn't too bad. I've decided that no nap is really best, maybe a couple a week only if needed and have pulled out the big girl panties. This girl needs to be potty trained!! She's resisted every effort I've made but pants changes have become a huge battle and I'm tired of fighting over it. So we started last night (since she refused to put pants back on after the fit), and had some success then and all pees have been in the potty this morning. So far so good. :)
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normal day yesterday, woke about 7 and napped 1-2:15, asleep at 8:30 last night...
but wth? awake at 5:45 talking away, demading me at 6:15--told him to go back to sleep or no play group and he was quiet til 6:55----but honeslty I highly doubt he went back to sleep....made him stay his room til 7:30 as to not wake Cohen...
not sure so I am trying for an early nap but he usually resists them.
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Nicole given Maren's age, tell her what my SIL did with her DD1 (who resisted TT) You will be 3 soon & to be 3 you need to do all your wee's & poos in the big toilet (or potty if you prefer) & so we better start practicing... worked a treat for them (they'd had 3 attempts), being 3 was a big thing with ds#2... he even told the swim teacher that as he was 3 he could swim by himself which BTW he did & wow'd everyone, we also got rid of his bed rail & high chair (used without a tray sitting at the table, but he liked it... I was sick of it so told him 3yo don't need it & it was refused the day of his Birthday)
Naps around here still happening about every 2nd day & even ds1 is napping 2x week at the moment & (hope not jinxing) but all going ok.
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Thanks Katet. We had great success today on the potty. All pees were in the potty, one poo accident (she asked for a pull-up so she knew it was coming but got distracted and then ended up going in the panties). She even ran to the potty herself several times, saying she had to go and peed. And stopped after a quick dribble in her pants and ran to the potty. Yay! ;D ;D ;D
Had a bit of a fit tonight, was so tired (no nap) and had swimming lessons late. I'm sure she'll nap at daycare tomorrow! Overall though, I think that she was quite pleased with herself for the control she had over her body. I really believe she'll be a happier girl once this process is over. :)
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Hi all - sorry I haven't posted in a long time and hope you all are well. Will spend a bit of time this morning trying to read through/catch up.
Do DD hasn't been napping too often. When she doesn't she's pretty shot and cranky/not listening, etc by dinner time, asleep between 745-8:30 and usually sleeps 11.5-12.5 hours. But after not napping for at least 4 days in a row, yesterday she woke at 7am, napped from 1:30-2:30 (I woke her) and fell asleep for the night somewhere around 8:40, I think (maybe later) - was in her crib a little after 8. Woke this morning at 6:40 so only 10 hours or less night sleep - which usually leaves her cranky.
Do you think I should cut nap to one hour again? Shorter? Usually when she gets a car nap (when running errands on weekend and all) it's about an hour or just over and doesn't seem to affect her night sleep as much but I know car naps aren't as deep. She was in a much better mood after the one hour nap but not so much now - ideally she needs at least 10.5 hours at night.
TIA - big hugs to you all too!
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Hello all. My little one is almost 28 months and he has been skipping or pushing back his nap for almost two weeks now. I don't think that he is ready to go to no nap but I am not sure. There have been a couple of days where he has missed a nap due to circumstances and has been cranky. However, on the days that he does take a nap he falls asleep so late that I have to wake him up within 30-60 minutes so that it doesn't affect his bedtime. I would love any suggestions. Here is a breakdown of his day.
7:30-8am Awake
8am Breakfast
12pm Lunch
*He used to sleep from about 1-3pm*
2:30/2:45-3:30pm Nap- I wake him up at 3:30pm.
6pm Dinner
7:30pm Bedtime Routine
8pm Bedtime
8:30-9pm Asleep
Thanks. :)
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Kimberly....doesn't seem like your days are that bad with a nap..
personally I feel that if you are getting at least 10---alhough it looks more like 11hrs at night then the nap is ok...just have him awake by a "that" time and go from there..
we are struggling right now because of some EW---some less then 10hr nights and I'm not sure if they are OT related or too long of a nap related..(even though the nap is only 1hr15min tops).. :P
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Thanks Deb. Sometimes someone else's perspective is exactly what is needed. :)
He didn't fall asleep until almost 3pm today and I woke him at 3:30, though I think he fell back asleep until about 3:45 and boy was he hard to wake up. But he did seem to go down for bed pretty easily and was asleep by normal time. So, maybe we'll just stick with this for now. I have been putting him down anywhere between 1-2pm and letting him play or chat in his bed until he falls asleep- mainly because *I* need the downtime. :-\
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Kimberly, that pretty much sums us up too!
A x
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Hi, I don't want to be here at all. Not that you all aren't lovely...
530am wake I don't go in til 615 unless he cries.
12pm used to be his ultimate naptime... he in fact would ask to go to bed. Usually slept til 2pm. Now he sleeps 40-60m and wakes up hysterically crying, takes a long time to calm him.
730pm bed and he talks/sings for an hour or more
Help please. I don't think he is ready to not have a nap, because he is more sensitive and cries easily when he is OT and that's what I've been seeing. I've tried to put him to bed sooner at night, and it doesn't nothing.
TIA
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Zoey--sorry he's still having troubles. Did you try the bigger bed yet?
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Bethany - No, maybe I should get the twin. I want to, DH thinks I'm grasping at straws... he says the toddler bed is fine (though I know he is getting too tall for it). We took him to the store this weekend, he thought that was better than any park or zoo around ;) Of course he wanted a bunk bed, where the bottom folded up during the day like a couch/futon... "Mumma, couch beb?" he says looking at me totally confused. "Yes, at night it goes flat like a bed." I say but I too am confused. "Ok, mine?" :P The red dye - was making him hyper... I see a difference now that he isn't having pink milk - but I'm afraid I wrecked things by not knowing I was giving him baby crack before bedtime :(
Stacy - You are always there for me when Owen isn't sleeping and I love you for that. :) What you type makes perfect sense, and I will definitely try this tomorrow. Often I can't see the forest through the trees! Thank you :-*
I'll let you guys know how we are doing. Thank you, Thank you! :-*
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I like Stacy's plan--it's cheap. ;)
If you think it's the bed, you could point out to DH that he'll have to have a twin bed eventually, so you'll have to spend the money at some point anyhow. :)
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How is it going everyone?
Nello has always been an average to slightly below average total hour requirement sleeper. I said way back when that I know naps will be officially finished when his overall sleep total is only 11 hours. Well, we are getting closer. 2 months ago he was at 12 hours total, now we are at 11 and 1/2 hours total. I go with the flow each day. It is summer here, so sometimes bedtime is delayed so I let him nap as long as he likes the next day as his night time was shorter. I am still not sure what he is better with, longer nights no nap or some nap and shorter night. It almost feels it is the same really, just different times of the day that have mini melt downs. Hmmmmmm. What totals are your LO's at? BTW, he will be 3 in October.
Ais x
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Aisling...
we are at about 11.5hrs aswell....
so right now routine is mostly: but it varies by 30minutes or so
wake 7
nap 1-2----so I limit to 1hr total---even 20minutes extra can take a whole 1hr off the night
bed for 7:30/7:45 (he asks for it)---and hes hopefully asleep about 8:30
I don't like long naps---usually he'll fall asleep close to normal time but be up super early---and thenI'm in to that short night and longer nap cycle again...
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Hi everyone! Hope you guys are doing good and big hugs to all the LOs too.
We are between 11-12 total here most days with the occasional 12.5 or less than 11 (super ugh). DD does best with about 11 at night and one during day but that rarely happens.
Yesterday I woke DD at 7:20 for her first day camp (two mornings a week from 8:15-11:30) after she fell asleep a little after 8 that night. She had a great time at camp but was SO tired when I picked her up (they have a pool and all). She wanted to go right into her crib at 12 but didn't fall asleep until 1. I let her sleep until almost 2:30 (big mistake) and then she didn't fall asleep until well after 9 and was up a little before 7 this morning and is super cranky today!
I should do like you Stacy and cut her to 45 minutes, one hour tops on camp days. Like Kaleb, Marisa can only handle a couple days of no nap before it's meltdown overtired city.
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Sounds like us too!
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We're in a good pattern here (for now):
7:30 wake him up
1:15 nap time (generally takes a bit for him to fall asleep, he sleeps 1.5-2 hours; I wake him at 2 hours if needed)
9:00 bed time
So I guess that makes us at 12-12.5 hours of sleep.
Once in a while he won't nap, but we stick with the same bed time and then he usually does nap the following day. Also, we've been going for walks in the afternoon/evening and if he didn't nap he sometimes naps in the stroller. Interestingly, no matter how late he naps, he generally has no trouble falling asleep at night (sometimes goofs around a bit, but never fights it) and doesn't wake up early. Same if I oops and he naps past 2 hours. If he naps more than 2 hours though, he won't nap the following day.
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Just to let you all know, since we dropped to one nap, our total sleep time has actually increased. Can generally bank on at least a solid 12 hours, sometimes up to 14 hours. When we were faffing about with one nap, he just wasn't tired enough for either nap or bed, it seemed.
There is hope!
I cannot wait until Kate is done napping, or at least down to one nap. Loooong way to go, she's just 6 months lol.
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Michelle, did that just kick in our did it take some time to adjust? How early do you put him to bed?
Bethany, do you put him in bed at 9pm or he is asleep at 9pm?
Thx.
A x
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Bed at 9 pm, most days he falls asleep (or at least gets totally quiet) immediately. We were waking him at 7:45 am and naps were hit and miss; when we started waking him always at 7:30, naps became much more regular. Amazing what a difference 15 minutes makes.
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well I missed waking Noah up today at the 1hr mark because I was trying to Cohen to sleep and I think he slept 1hr 15minutes...
thinking he'll probably be up a bit late and up early tommorow...this sucks!
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we were going great had pretty much dropped the nap around here & then one thing & another (too many busy days, step-d being a pain etc) & we went through 4 days with naps & now URGGH 5.30am wake ups are the norm... that will hopefully revert back to no naps in the next 2 weeks when we are away with Sis & her 2 & then another trip to visit my parents... then ds1 goes to preschool 3/week so he will need earlier bed too SO hoping dh will not let things get lapsed again - always gets messed up if I go out for the night... he doesn't understand 30mins late for bed can ruin my week. LOL
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I am not sure if i should be joining this group yet! I am finding it hard to know what to do with ds. how do i know when to start shortening his nap? This is where we are right now:
awake b/w6-6:30am
nap 12:30-2:30 average sometimes a bit shorter or longer. Some days I was letting him go 2.5 hrs before I woke him. I recently shortened it to 2.25 hrs
bedtime 7:30 (asleep bw 7:50-8pm)
I would love to have a later w/u but not sure if I'll ever get it?
what do you think?
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If it's not broke, I wouldn't mess with it, kwim? If you shorten his nap you might get a later wake up, or you might have the same wake up and OT toddler. :-*
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hi, wow there is a lot in this thread!
im at a stage where were only getting 10hours night sleep now 8-6 where a month ago it was 11 hrs and 10minths ago 12hrs and he is still having a 1hour nap, ive limited this since he was about 18months. this week he had the odd 30min nap as it was in the car and he was woken but no change to wake up time, it does v ary every now and then a bit later thou.
im wondering are we ready to start getting rid of the nap? the earlier wakings started when ds2 woke him a few days and now im not sure if its habbit or just his time?
im really confused and dont no where to start!
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I might be joining you all here....hopefully not....
Up until this week, I could get 8pm-7AM along with a good 2 hour nap (sometimes longer) from Tyler. Past 2 days he has really been fighting his nap. I am dreading him dropping his last nap, because I would easily take less night time sleep for the nap.....
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Judy - could it be a phase with Tyler since the new baby is about to come? I've often heard of toddlers whose sleep goes totally haywire right before (and of course after) a new baby brother/sister. Of course he could also just be ready to drop his nap. 13 hours total night sleep is a lot at his age - he might just need less. What if you wake him at 6:30 and try for a nap at 12:30/1? And then limit his nap to 1.5 hours? Maybe you can get 1.5 nap and 10.5-11 at night?
We're in a similar boat here. Many of you know that DD used to be SUCH a great napper. But for a number of months now she's been in the process of dropping her nap. Well in the past week she's only had two "proper" naps, both of which I had to limit to 1 hour to get a decent night of sleep. Otherwise she totally fights naps or takes a short car one if we are driving at a good time for that. It's not fun because she's getting really overtired, will only go to bed so early and we have a really busy/active summer with her in camp two mornings a week and we belong to a beach club so are there a lot too. Ugh.
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Karen,
You are probably right about Tyler's sleep getting messed up with the new baby coming. 13 hours total night sleep is a lot at his age -
I know that is a lot...but I LOVE IT. Selfish...selfish...I know.
I've never liked waking him up from naps or night time sleep...only because it took sooooo long to get him to this point and it went so well...for so long. But I know that everything changes and their needs change. Boy, I wish I could get 13 hours of sleep a day. HA HA.
I totally can relate to us wanting them to sleep properly with all the fun summer stuff going on etc. We normally head to the pool after his nap, but today I will dread going since it will be prime meltdown time without a nap!
Will keep you all posted.....Thanks for listening!
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I totally understand Judy. I woke DD up at 7:20 today for camp. She is still in her crib not napping now and I'm getting her up at 3 I guess. Wanted to meet a friend at the park but the park is a nightmare when she hasn't napped. Might try to go anyway though. Can shoot for 7:30 bedtime but DD usually fights it until closer to 8. And we're going to the beach/pool tomorrow!
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Thanks all for your advice
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So we are getting there.... Nello just had his first 3 days in a row of no naps. Not too, too bad. He is consistently doing 11 hours at night. If he does less I offer a nap. On Sunday he slept 12 hours at night and woke at 9am, I was in total shock. I get him into bed really punctual though and he always falls asleep fast.
Waiting for the OT melt down to occur any day now......How's everyone else?
A x
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well we have actually had our first few no nap days in the last 2 weeks. night sleep was fine those nights 11.5-12hrs, but he was very grumpy thee day afterwards-so weve never had 2 days in a row of no nap.
yesterday I gave him a 1.25hr nap --big mistake as he fell asleep singing at his door at 9pm..I had to sneak in and put him to bed .
most of you will laugh--but now I dont much care about Noahs sleep, too worried about Cohen's.
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Hi Deb! *waving* I'm not laughing, I'm just happy you're not stressing about the nap any more! :)
We're having very little naps here, she might fall asleep if we're in the car in the afternoon and she still naps at daycare once a week ::), so I count us as pretty much through the transition. :)
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Hi! Have posted this on the main board to but then thought that you guys might be able to help me.
DS is 2y 9m and until just recently was going to bed quite nicely at about 8pm. We had a bit of trouble with late nights a while back so we cut the nap a bit to an hour and always waking at 1.30 latest. Bedtime was much better. We are now having battles again and he's not going to sleep until nearer 9pm and then waking about about 7-7.30am. The most he gets at nap time now is about an hour and I'm wondering whether to cut it to 40 mins or cut it completely. He's usually tired around 12.30pm so not sure how he'd cope with no nap atall but then he's also really tired when i wake him at 1.30 and can take him a while to come round.
It wouldn't be so bad if he just sang/chatted himself to sleep if he wasn't tired at bedtime but he yells and cries for us until he's shattered and then falls asleep.
Routine at the moment is;
wake 7.15ish
nap 12.30/45-1.30
stories at 8.15
bed at 8.30
asleep at about 9 after lots of yelling and WI/WO
I could just put him to bed a bit later but I feel that 9pm is getting a bit too late and means he isn't getting enough sleep at night because we have to wake him up sometimes (if not already awake) to go to work. TIA
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Cath - if it were me, I'd aim for a 40-45 minute nap and bedtime (in bed, lights out) by 8pm. If that doesnt' work after two weeks cut back to 30 minutes?
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Cath we were sort of there and then it was getting harder for him to get to sleep for nap earlier enough to wake by 1:30. Also, the fooling around at bedtime, not that bad really but not at all like him got on my nerves so I decided to just go for it and chop it pretty much.
So we are at the tail end of the transition it seems. Like marensmama, we catch a snooze where we can if needed.
I just used either indicator as a factor in deciding on nap days. If he slept less than 11 hours or woke before 7:30 I had him nap. This went on for a week and now he seems to have settled on this:
7:30-7:45 bed asleep by 7:45-8:00. Wake at 7:30ish. So he is sleeping more at night now.
We let him nap as late and as long as he likes if we are gong to be going out to parties etc...This weekend we had 2 parties Sat and Sun. So his bed was at 9-9:30pm both nights.
All in all it is not too bad now. :) It is good we are so busy in the day and I let him swim right up to lunch time and then chill out from 1-2 and then let him in the pool again right away or play, takes his mind off and the edge.
I let him chill out again at 4:00 and he eats at 5pm and then has dinner which is his snack with us at 6:30ish.
A x
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Thanks for the advice. We have decided to go with a 40 min nap max and up at 1.15pm, whichever comes first. He went to bed without any trouble at 8pm last night. ;D Fingers crossed it continues. We are going on holiday in a weeks time so likely he'll get messed up there anyway. Might experiment with no nap if we're out and about.
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HELP
i have cut out my sons nap now for the last 7days, he has had the odd 5min snooze in those days. he was being pure hell at bedtime takings 3hours plus to go to bed and wi/wo did not work for us, this lasted a month so i decided to try him without a nap and miaculously he went straight to sleep no fuss. he now sleeps 8-730 we were only getting 10hrs night and 1hour day sleep before the trubble.
now my problem is his behaviour has become horrendous the last few days, he was always pushing things but this is just horrid. my question is will this settle down when he gets used to no naps or have i done it all to quick and too soon for him???
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We had this Rachel. We are on week 3 of no naps. We have struggle free bedtime at 7:30 with 7:30-8am wake ups-fab! 8) This week I am finding him much easier at coping and his behaviour has much improved. We still have lunch at 12-ish with him staying inside watching a DVD like Kipper and playing quietly with his toys or reading until about 1:30-2:00. I then find it helps if I give him another chill out time at around 4:30-5:30 before dinner and then we are home free. So hang in there!
Aisling x
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We are finished with the nap for good here. It took awhile for the behavior to even out as she adjusted, and that really was about a month. She wasn't horrid, but the tantrums were frequent. Bedtimes have recently become an absolute dream and she's getting about 11.5 hours a night. :)
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Hi! I'm new on this thread and I have been reading through some responses but I have not had the time to read through it all. How do you know if your LO is ready to drop the last nap? My son just turned 3 in July. He's had a nanny and has always napped well with her (2hrs). On the weekends with mommy and daddy, he always fights us during naptime. Recently we have decided for me to be a SAHM. My DS has been challenging me for naps and always say "he's not tired". I know he's tired because if I fight him long enough, he'll lay down still for 15mins and be completely out. When my sister visits us, she can put him down for a nap every time without a fight. I'm wondering if this is a 3yo power struggle with mommy or if he's really not tired during the day anymore? Rather than calling it naptime, it's been "quiet" time because sometimes he'll lay in his bed or read his books quietly. How much should I fight him to actually sleep?
He goes to bed at 8pm and is up at 5:30-6am. Lately, he's been getting up in the middle of the night asking for his cozy blanket. This doesn't happen every night. We basically just walk him back to his bed and he goes bak to sleep. I'm wondering if he is sleep walking?? He's also been getting up at 5:30am lately and we always tell him to get of his bed when the sun comes out. With the night waking and early wake up, is he OT or sleeping too much?
For the most part he is happy during the day with / without a nap. After a few days if he doesn't get enough sleep though, he does starts to be a very challenging 3yo without his listening ears on :)
Any thoughts?
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My thought is that it's certainly age appropriate for him to be dropping his nap. My DD has always napped well at daycare, and until recently she's nap there one day a week and not at all at home. (Something my DCP seemed a little smug about! ::) ) It was impossible to convince me that my DD didn't need the nap when she was always tired/crabby without, but tbh, that's part of the transition. I wouldn't fight him at all for sleep (you'll never win!). I'd call it quiet time, offer it to him as such and let him be in control of it. If he really needs to sleep he will, otherwise he'll maybe need an earlier bedtime for awhile. I think his NW and EW are from being UT, and they'll go away when he makes it through the other side of this transition. That's what happened in our case, anyway! HTH!
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I'm with Nicole. As well, I really stuck to getting him to bed exactly 12 hours from wake up. I found if I went even that 10 min extra, it took him longer to get to sleep and then a shorter night leading to the OT cycle after about 5 days of no nap.
A x
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Hey guys
We are back, I see most of some of you are now nearly done with transition. Zara doesn't want to nap anymore, and I don't really mind, since she was only getting about 9 hours at night, to keep her nap (which was usually only an hour!).
Anyway, going well so far, her behaviour is not bad, but her quiet time is nice and long at present, so perhaps that is helping. She LOVES dora, and has 1 DVD of that, so I won't let her watch it any other time, that is her quiet time DVD, and she lays there transfixed LOL. It has made bedtime MUCH easier.
We are getting some NW, although I think they are more related to moving into her own room out of our room than to her napping tbh. Once she sees us, she settles back down and goes to sleep no probs, she is probably just checking we are still there LOL.
Anyway, one massive sign here that she won't sleep at lunch time is she doesn't even ASK for her dummy. She doesn't go near her room or try to get it...previously when she didn't nap, she DID need the comfort of her dummy, now she doesn't, so I guess she is pretty much done. I still offer each day, so if she needs a nap, I feel confidant she will tell me.
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I can't believe I am posting here (I don't want to be postinghere----no offense to all of you lovel ladies!!!); I was oping Sam would nap until he went to school. ;)
BUT, the past few weeks; he has only napped intermittently at daycare and of the 3 days I was home with him this weekend, he only napped once. ::)
He seems awfully young to be dropping his nap (2 in a couple of weeks). He doesn't scream or anyhting when I put him in his room; he just doesn't sleep and TBH doesn't appear tired. I have kept him in there for 1 1/2 hrs or so for quiet time and I think I'll keep doing this, so he has the opportunity to nap if he wants/needs to.
WE have been going through so many transitions lately; I hate to do too much at once and almost wonder if this nap strike could be related to the transitions at all. :-\
WE transitioned to BBB 2 weeks ago without any problem.
Just this weekend we started PT becuase he was asking to use a potty----we are not forcing it at all--just trying to follow his lead. He has used teh potty about 5 times successfully in the past 48 hours.
ANd now no nap???
It's a lot at once.............oh and I'm 28 weeks pregnant :o more change on the way.
So, I thought, I would just keep putting him in his room for nap times and see what happens.
Any thoughts.
He sleeps anywhere for 7-8PM to 6-7 AM. (naps were from about 12-1:30/2:00)
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Sounds to me like your plan is perfect. My DD started dropping naps when she was about 18mo, and is only now pretty much off naps at 2 yrs 5 months, so if you keep offering, he may go back to napping at some point.
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he may go back to napping at some point.
hopefully when the baby comes
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LOL, probably not when the baby comes, most people have trouble when the baby comes, but it gets better a few weeks in.
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Hello, I'm new to this particular thread, having posted recently in the general Sleeping for Toddlers area.
amywiz24, I read your post with interest because it is almost exactly what we're going through (DD is 22 months). We're going on 5 days now with no naps, but she will stay in her crib for 1.5+ hours talking and singing quietly (and usually thumping around in her crib). She never fusses or cries, she just doesn't fall asleep. She sleeps from about 7:00-7:30pm until around 6:30am.
I also thought DD was way too young to start dropping her nap, but she doesn't seem overly tired or cranky (at least no meltdowns; just a little more rubbing of eyes at night time). I'm going to continue to offer her "nap time", since she seems to enjoy it even if she doesn't sleep. She might just go back to napping at some point -- or am I deluding myself ::)
However, for most of these past 5 days when I've gone in to get her from her nap, she's stood up immediately, grinned and told me "no napping!!" in a very proud little voice, so I'm wondering if this is part of her asserting some independance, or if she really is dropping her nap.
If there are any suggestions on how to encourage a nearly 2 year old to just lie down quietly and try to fall asleep, I'd be eager to hear them!
Carla
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Oh ya, Maren's drooping of her nap was all attitude. There were times when she'd fall asleep and wake up 20 minutes later totally unimpressed with herself for falling asleep, she'd be so tired, but crying because she'd 'napped'. ::) Have to tell you, though, bedtimes are a dream these days... she doesn't fight it like she used to in the napping days. :)
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LOL, probably not when the baby comes, most people have trouble when the baby comes, but it gets better a few weeks in.
I'm sure you're right Rina-----unfortunately.
Carla, interesting to know you are going through the same thing. However, DS has been pretty cranky on the days when he doesn't nap. I think I read soemwhere here (?) that just comes with the territory...............or do you guys think it is a sign he is not ready. ALthough, apart from setting up the environment for a nap and givivng him an opportunity; there is not much else I can do. I can't force him to sleep!
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We found my DS (2.5 now) was a bear without a nap, so we've had success limiting his night sleep to 10.5 hours, which creates enough sleep drive for him to nap. He's much happier all around this way. :D
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Maren was cranky on no nap, but then it got so that she had EW and a later bedtime if she did nap (and getting her to nap was getting harder by the day). She still has days where she might nod off in the car for a few minutes (or on daddy's lap ::) ) but the crankiness has evened out, and she really hasn't napped much since she turned 3. :)
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If there are any suggestions on how to encourage a nearly 2 year old to just lie down quietly and try to fall asleep, I'd be eager to hear them!
Carla
This is quite an individual question. I for a long time napped with Zara (pre DS arriving - I needed that nap when pregnant anyway). Then for ages, I let DD fall asleep watching a DVD - she never thought she was going to nap, I never called it a nap, but she always fell asleep LOL. I did lay her down for it though, on a little fold out lounge bed thingy, and gave her her dummy and lovie. I know of many other mums who have done similar to get naps. And IRL I know of mums who have even made sure they took a little drive to get their lo to fall asleep. All of this, however, is not BW. And it isn't for everyone. Just depends on how badly you want your lo to nap, or how badly you think the lo needs to nap iykwim.
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interesting Stacy, about the stages of napping and not napping over almost a year. thanks for the info.
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LOL we are back from having about 2/naps week with NW increasing, to having had 10 days of naps (all 1.5hours +) & 6 days of really good night sleep, seems Mr 3 is better on 1.5- 2hours nap & 8pm-6am at night.
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It's funny how it all depends on your LO. I never would of imagined my late 2-1 switching boy would adapt so well to no nap cold turkey at 34 months. The thing is, if I look at how he was as a newborn baby he was a great night sleeper (5-6 hours and 1 BF over night home from hospital) and a so so napper. I worked so ridiculously hard on his naps to fit into the BW routine as each month passed, I nearly drove myself mad! I stressed out so much with the 2-1 nap, I could never get my 2 hour luxury break in the day like all his friends Mums were having and it led to early wake ups and NW's that we were not used to. Then...he started doing the long naps hooray....NOT... his night was shortened and we both were miserable yet again. He is much better with the long nights (11.5-12 on average now). Naps make him grumpy, full stop, period, the end.....they make DH and I grumpy too, we are terrible nappers and better off getting to bed early people/family. So there you are, he was right about it from birth, this is my bio-rhythm Mum don't mess with it, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree!!! :D ;D
So naps will only happen in this household for illness (hope not), hangovers :P, hectic schedules, anticipation of late nights like weddings or holidays or in a moving vehicle hopefully not whilst we are driving them! ;)
Over and out all!
Aisling x
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Aww how cute. I love our double too! I've yet to see N sleep the right way in that thing! Great that he likes the gro bag still! N has to have his feet exposed, just like DH. Even when I swaddled him as a baby I had to leave his feet free, so we called it the "fake swaddle." LOL. DO you guys think we are nuts, seriously, a lot of my friends who aren't BW seem so clueless with the nuances of sleep etc...and I think they think I am insane and over analyse! Oh well, that is why I love you all!
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;D LMAO!
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Awww, that's sweet--bet when he was 3 mo you could never imagine such a request, eh? :-*
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Zara is back napping too. Not sure if it is the hot weather (where we live although only early spring, we already have summer temps) or growth spurt, but she is averaging 1 hr per day more then she used to. Nights are about 10-10.5, naps 1.5-2 hrs. So looks like we might be here a while longer too!
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Lurking think ours is slowly disappearing as her nights have dropped to 10hrs and her naps to 1-1hr 15mins :-X
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Wow Natasha, still not bad. Zara's night last night was 9 hrs and her nap today was 1.25. But her nap yesterday was at least 2 hours, so I guess it evens out a little bit.
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Plus DD2 is about to do the 2-1 switch it is crazy in our house at the moment.
So she only had 45min nap today and had a total meltdown this afternoon so i think i will hold onto it for a while :-X
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uugh! now that the summer is over, my little Noah does not seem to need as much sleep! :'(
our nights the last 5 days have been like 9-9.5hrs on a 1hr nap.
so last night, in bed for 7:45---singing away til 8:45, awake at 6:15am wth??
so today I am giving him a 45min nap, he was fast asleep at 12:50 (he probably would of slept earlier but circumstances with Cohen didn't allow)----so I'll wake him at 1:30 or so and put him to bed at 7:15/7:30.
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exactly!
I think Id like the summer to come back...
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lol
wonder if kids in australia sleep better then ones in canada lol
Why do you say that?
Catherine has been waking at 6.15/30am as the sun has been rising really early bring on day light saving next weekend
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oh Im dreading daylight savings....both boys are waking at 6:30ish--great timing for the clocks to fall backwards
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LOL Stacy - your theory does apply to Zara I think....she is back napping most days - and it is HOT here, and she spends almost all morning outside! Nights are short though, but until the last few days when she has been a bit ill, she has been sleeping through.
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Well, I didn't want to join this thread yet, lol, but here I am. ;)
DS has skipped about 3 naps in the past 8-10 days. How do you ladies get things done on no nap days (or have a rest yourself)? With DD I gave her piles of books and she'd "read" them for a while. DS doesn't want to do that.
So far it has been an uphill battle, but most sleep changes/issues with him have.
I do look forward to him being able to handle no nap for special events but I'm sure not wanting to give it up day-to-day yet. Also, that means going back to a really early bedtime which he had finally outgrown for a while. Also makes special events in the evenings much harder as I have to really watch or he gets OT easily.
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My DD wouldn't go in her room either, I compromised with DVD - must lay down for it, so quiet time that way.
Stacy, Zara is blowing your theory out of the water - 9-9.5 nights on a 1-1.5 nap now. And it is hot and sunny and we are outside HEAPS.
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OK, we're out of the naps entirely.... unless we're in the car in the late afternoon. Do they ever grow out of that ten minutes messing with the usual bedtime!!??
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is this thread still current? 30pages is usually the max right? but I can't find a thread no3? will do a seperate post as unsure if Lily is starting to drop her nap or what might be going on, to say she has me a little confused at present is an understatement.
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Thanks! ;D
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