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SLEEP => Sleeping For Toddlers => Topic started by: heather8844 on December 18, 2014, 09:04:48 am
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No other way to say it other than I am at my wit's end. My 15 month old DD has horrible nightime sleeping. She has never been a good sleeper and I admit that DH and I resorted to cosleeping (please don't judge) to get sleep. We both were working full time. I recently quit my job to focus on my DD. So here are my issues:
1) she will not sleep without my husband or I
2) she will not sleep in her crib
3) she will not go to sleep on her own - she will only go to sleep with a bottle when my husband or I are holding her.
4)she still wakes up between 1 & 3 am for a bottle
5) for the last two weeks the middle of the night feeding she has stayed awake for more than two hours.
I try not to make these night wakings eventful in anyway.
Please send suggestions!!! I am the only one who takes care of her at night and now durimg the day too and I am running on fumes because our nights are so messed up.
HELP!!!!
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Hi Sweetie, oh bless your heart :(
DH and I resorted to co sleeping (please don't judge) to get sleep.
We don't do judging here at BW Sweetie ;) Lots of families co sleep and if it suits everyone, that is fine. Okay, so don't stress, take a deep breathe, we can get her through this together ;).
I would suggest using the method 'Gradual Withdrawal' are you familiar with it at all ??? Here is a link for you to take a look at.
Walk In/Walk Out vs. The Gradual Withdrawal Method (HOW TO CHOOSE)
We can work through it together, and it will work. I used this with DS when I first found BW, he was 10 months old, suffering awful teething pain and I had resorted to nursing him back to sleep. He woke every 1.5 hours through the night, and when I placed him back in his cot he would usually wake immediately, I was completely mentally and physically exhausted. With GW he was sleeping through the night in his cot by night 3. Because DD has never been an independent sleeper, it may take a little longer, but she is capable, it's just a matter of consistency until she learns 'the new way.'
Have a read through the link and if you're happy to proceed we'll get cracking. It's great to have a plan!
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I read the article and everything sounds wonderful... I just have no idea where to start. DD has never been the best sleeper and never slept in her crib. Every time I try to lay her down she screams bloody murder. I cannot stand to hear her cry. I tried CIO and one night was all it took for me to know i cannot put my child through that - she made herself physically ill from crying. DH and I were fine with Co sleeping until about a month ago when she started flipping and flopping all through the night. I just know that ever morning when he wakes up tired, I wake up tired and DD wakes up tired I feel so guilty that I can't figure out how to help her get through the night or at least learn to self soothe. Any suggestions on where to start?
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Hi Sweetie,
I tried CIO and one night was all it took for me to know i cannot put my child through that - she made herself physically ill from crying.
Tracy Hogg was very much against CIO, as are we here at BW, I am so happy that you found it wasn't for you, it goes against every instinct you have as Mother doesn't it. You are not alone in having tried it Hun, it tends to come up first in any google search unfortunately.
I wake up tired and DD wakes up tired I feel so guilty that I can't figure out how to help her get through the night or at least learn to self soothe. Any suggestions on where to start?
I would suggest gradual withdrawal. Remember it's okay for a LO to cry, it's their only way of communicating before they can talk. The difference being if you are with them they don't feel alone, and they know Mammy is there despite their protests.
Is this a good time for you to get started ??? :) We can start as soon as you're ready.
Lots of (HUGS)
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Ready willing and able!!! Where should I begin? Where do I start?
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Okay Sweetie, here's the plan ;)
We'll go with Gradual Withdrawal, and you need to be able to do the same thing for all sleeps, ie: naps too. To start with you will place her in her cot at sleep time. Put a chair next to her and sit sideways, this is so that you don't have eye contact all the time, it helps LO's to settle. Choose a sleepy phrase which you will repeat when necessary for eg: our's is "Sleepy time Darling" so something along those lines. Only use the sleepy phrase and keep it to a minimum, you will use it more at first. Don't make eye contact when at all possible. No doubt she is is going to protest, and be standing up in her crib crying, if you want to you can try to lay her down a couple of times so she knows what you want her to do, however with this age IME it's best to let them do it themselves in the long run, because lying her down means she is getting your attention by standing up so it's not as effective. If she has favourite toys in his crib he will probably throw them out to engage you so the first time hand them/it straight back then afterwards keep it for one minute/2 minutes and so on, adding a minute every time, she will eventually stop, trust me ;) I invented this method lol.
You may think me mean saying this, but Tracy recommended it, have some in ear plugs ready Hun. You need to be calm and the pitch of a child crying can make you cave in, so ear plugs mean you can still hear her, but it helps you get through.
I would expect it to take up to a couple of hours on night 1 Sweetie, but every night afterwards will get better, however sometimes LO's can surprise you, it may be faster.
The main thing is that you need to believe this will work and be absolutely resolute with no going back! She will pick up on that I promise you and it will speed things up. Remember it's okay that she will sometimes be crying, because you are there for her.
When she eventually falls asleep, wait!!! You will be dying to get out lol, but you need to be sure she is in a deep enough sleep and that will be after 15 mins minimum, more likely 20, make sure the light outside of her room is dim for when you leave.
When she wakes in the night, repeat the process. This can be difficult when you're sleepy, but it is usually a lot faster. I would start in the evening Hun, then by the time you get to the next evening you have already done nap/naps so she will be getting the message by then.
By night 4 my Son slept through the night, this works! Things are going to be getting so much better for you all Honey :)
So, could you please send me her routine so we can check that's in order too, and give me your thoughts.
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Will this also work if she is still taking a bottle at between 1 am and 3 am?
Schedule will come a little later ... in the car riding home .
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Will this also work if she is still taking a bottle at between 1 am and 3 am?
No Honey, can you stop the night time milk and just give her some water in her crib ???
Will this also work if she is still taking a bottle at between 1 am and 3 am?
Schedule will come a little later ... in the car riding home .
Sorry, can you explain this further ???
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Hi Hun, I was pushed for time this morning, so want to explain further. WRT the bottle feeding at night, I am presuming this is something that you would like to stop as she doesn't actually need it any more. If you were to keep it up, then it would train her to still wake in the night therefore hindering your chances of success with the sleep training, so IME it is much better to deal with it all at once. A lot of parents switch to a sippy cup in the crib, as did I when ST DS at 10 months, because I was concerned that he may actually be thirsty and that allowed me to rule it out which put my mind at rest on the issue.
Schedule will come a little later ... in the car riding home .
Were you referring to her nap, due to commitments to be out of the house at that time ???
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Sorry I meant I would send her schedule at a later time because I was in the car and was getting car sick lol.
I did try sitting by her crib last night. Mixed results I guess. She cried and cried. She is literally hoarse today. She would only go to sleep if I was touching her - which I am not sure from your original suggestion is appropriate... she woke up 3 times. The last time she was awake for over 3 hours and would not go back down. (I think she is trying to cut some molars on top of fighting a recent weather change). I finally took her into the room where I have a Co sleeping pad for the last 3 hrs of the night. We are trying again tonight. She is in her crib now in and out of sleep (to fight the congestion brought on by who knows what we have the cool mist humidifier on and I gave her chamomile and mint tea with a tad bit of honey - hoping this helps). Waiting the 20 mins.
Her schedule:
Monday, Wednesday, & Friday - Sunday:
630 - wake up, diaper change, playtime (usually running around the house chasing the dogs lol)
730 - clean up (wash hands) & breakfast for DD and mommy
815 - clean up, diaper change and get ready for the day (clothes)
830 - more playtime - learning toys (she is really into stacking and sorting right now).
930 - naptime for about an hour
1030 - wake up, diaper change, run around in the house time
1130 - wash hands and lunch
1200 - clean up and if possible outside activity (walk in stroller or go to playground)
100 - come home, diaper change, wind down a little
200 - nap # 2 for about an hour and a half
330 - wake up, diaper change, playtime
400 - small snack
600 - dinner with mommy and daddy
700 - bathtime (I have not found a way to incorporate bedtime stories because she will not sit still and the struggle to get off of my lap wakes her up)
730 - nighttime bottle with daddy (currently this is happening in the living room and yes I plan on that no longer occurring)
900 - move to mommy and daddy's bed for the night (**the last two nights the move has been to the crib)
From there she is very random about when she wakes up. I would love to drop the overnight bottle but was not sure if it was ok to do so.
Tuesday & Thursday:
Pretty much the same except she goes to daycare
The only real exception is that at daycare she is taking only one 2 hour nap.
Other than that I have tried to mimic my schedule on the daycare schedule.
I do have questions please:
- should I pat her to sleep?
- at anytime should I pick her up?
- is it ok to play music while she is going to sleep - it does not play all night but quite honestly she can turn it on if she wakes up...
- how do I ween her off of the overnight bottle - cold turkey? One nigh the bottle the next water or more gradually?
thank you so much for the advice and taking your time to help!!!!
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So far DD has been awake since 1130 pm - it is now 140 am. She is just laying in her crib. What do I do? I am so tired. This is night 3 of this and honestly I get migraines and one of my triggers is lack of sleep (stress is another). How do I know if this is working? She has been crying/screaming again and I don't know how much more her voice can handle.
I just feel so horrible right now... I want her rested and how can she be with multiple nights of being awake for several hours.
I am sorry to sound so dramatic I really am. I just really want to do what is best for DD.
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Hello Sweetie,
Okay, first of all usually for a LO of her age the day would be 13 hours long maximum, even with the 2 naps, so she is probably over tired which won't help at BT. So that would give her a 7.30 BT.
She cried and cried. She is literally hoarse today. She would only go to sleep if I was touching her - which I am not sure from your original suggestion is appropriate...
Oh sweetie, bless you, I know ho hard it is :'( most of us do, but it is completely normal for her to cry and expected. She has never known any other way. It helped me to try and think of it as her only way of talking to you, she is just saying "Mammy! what's going on, this is not how we do things. But you are there with her, she is not feeling abandoned.
I finally took her into the room where I have a Co sleeping pad for the last 3 hrs of the night. We are trying again tonight.
As hard as it is, you really need to stick with it Hun and not do this. Because basically she cried herself hoarse for nothing, and you sent her the message that if she does that you will go back to the way things were. Then it becomes harder from then on. I am sorry, I don't mean to be harsh, it's just the way things are.
WRT her maybe teething and feeling under the weather, it's really important that you pick the right time Hun, both for DD and yourself.
Questions answered:
If you believe she needs you to be hands on that is fine. If at all possible try and place your hand on her without patting first, then pat if she needs it. You can gradually withdraw the hands on as she adjusts.
It is best not to pick her up, but rather give her a cuddle in her cot, if she is standing up. you can try and lay her back down and say your sleepy phrase.
IMO the less props you use the better, so IIWM I wouldn't play the music at all and put it out of reach.
The bottle I would go cold turkey with and switch for the sippy cup. My feeling is that if you deal with all the issues together it is easier for all of you in the long run Sweetie, rather than stringing it out.
So far DD has been awake since 1130 pm - it is now 140 am.
Very difficult, but not unusual. Because she has never been an IS (independent sleeper) and been co sleeping, this was always going to be a little more lengthy and tricky, but Sweetie, I promise you it can be done with patience and time.
I get migraines and one of my triggers is lack of sleep (stress is another). How do I know if this is working?
I suffer too :( do you remember me saying to get ear plugs ??? have you got them ???
You know it will work, because it has done for so many children before her, and I am with you every step of the way. Focus on the end result and how you will all feel when you are getting so much more restful sleep. It is short term pain for long term gain.
I just feel so horrible right now... I want her rested and how can she be with multiple nights of being awake for several hours.
She'll cope Honey, there's nothing you can do to change it, but stick with it and one morning you will wake up and run in worrying that she has slept through and is she okay!!! ???
I am sorry to sound so dramatic I really am. I just really want to do what is best for DD.
Not at all! you can be as dramatic as you want with me, I am a professional entertainer and unshockable!
To summarise, you must believe this will work, be resolute and confident, get your ear plugs!!! drink plenty caffeine and check in with me as often as you like :-*
Okay, hit me with it!!! :-\ thoughts ???
Lots of (HUGS)
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I just wanted to pop in and add hugs and say hang in there. You are getting fab advice from Vicki already. You need to think of it as short term pain for long term gain. A few nights of being consistent and you will both be getting the rest you need.
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DD started playing with her music box last night so that was taken away. I gave her a bottle with water - tonight will be the sippy cup. She finally went down @ 230 & slept until 630.
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Well done. :)
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DD started playing with her music box last night so that was taken away. I gave her a bottle with water - tonight will be the sippy cup.
Well done Honey...
She finally went down @ 230 & slept until 630.
After the NW ??? How much night sleep did she get ???
Good luck for tonight, rooting for you :-*
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Hello again Hun,
I have been asking me lovely fellow moderators to take a look over your thread and we all agree that routine could also be having a great effect and causing those NW. At this age it is highly possible DD is ready for 1 nap already, and I know you said that she is on one 2 hour nap at nursery, so I think it could be time to start working towards this every day. Aside from the NW it should help her to settle much easier and earlier too. Some people go cold turkey onto 1 nap (I did with DS and he coped fine) but there are other routes. Here is a great link for you to look over:
From 2 to 1 nap transition (10-12m and older)
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We did cold turkey to one nap also. I cut the first one right back to 30 minutes but she was still ew so one day I just went for it.
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Also popping on to offer my support. I know it's so hard... I too get migraines from lack of sleep. Is your DH or anyone able to let you get a little sleep during the day while you work on this?
I'm also in agreement with cutting the daytime naps. As Sarah stated above, you could cut the morning one to 30min and do the afternoon from 1:30-3pm with a 7:30 BT. Or, as you know she can do one nap because of daycare, you could just go to one nap and let her sleep as long as she likes on days at home (up to 2.5-3hr if she's high sleep needs). The problem with the naps as you have them is if she's not tired enough to fall back to sleep when she wakes at night, no amount of sleep training is going to help her do that.
Here to hold your hand... I promise it will get better!
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She's doing pretty well tonight even with all the crazy people popping fireworks. No distractions seem to be helping.
She went to sleep in her crib... no falling asleep with daddy in the living room!!!!!
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Yay!
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That's so great Hun :) well done! Any NW ??? what do you think about the naps situation ???
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Well she went down last night @ 8 pm. Slept through most of the fireworks but DH tried to help and when she woke up at 2 am (he woke up to the monitor first) and went in a picked her up and slept in the nursery with - even after I thought we were on the same page and agreed to a sleeping plan. Grrrrrrrr. So tonight I will try again.
We are trying naps in the crib today. How long should I try and get her to sleep in her crib? She is just laying down but is not going to sleep - even though I know it is nap time and that she is tired (rubbing eyes and yawning). I know i need to leave her in her crib but naptime is usually only 2 hrs and it has been taking me longer than that to get her to finally sleep at night. Should I just wait until she falls asleep and count 2 hrs from then or count the time I am trying to put her down as part of "nap time"?
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Once she is asleep I would count 2hrs from then unless it is getting so late that you fear it will interfere with BT. If the latter I would probably wake her after 1.5hrs because I'd still want her to have a restorative nap.
If she is lying in the cot awake but not crying I would just wait for her to fall asleep. If she is crying and protesting and doesn't seem close to settling I would stop after 45 mins and take her out of the room for a break. Keep the activity low key, offer food or drink if she is hungry and then try again 20 mins later or so.
Others may have a different approach of course.
It is a shame your husband reverted back to the old ways as that will likely confuse her but don't let it deter you from seeing it through tonight.
Hugs. You can do it.
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I'm sorry you're DH took matters into his own hands and co-slept, that's really frustrating after the progress you had made. (((Hugs))), hope you can be on the same page going forward.
If she is lying in the cot awake but not crying I would just wait for her to fall asleep. If she is crying and protesting and doesn't seem close to settling I would stop after 45 mins and take her out of the room for a break. Keep the activity low key, offer food or drink if she is hungry and then try again 20 mins later or so.
Others may have a different approach of course.
I would do the same.
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Good morning :)
How was last night ???
Can I just clarify what you were asking about her nap...s please.
Are you shooting for 1 nap of 2 hours now ???
When she is lying awake in the cot is that when trying for the above or when trying for 2 naps ???
if shooting for one nap now, what time are you trying ???
If sticking with 2 but cutting one back what is the plan ???
Question time again ;), hope last night was a good one!
(HUGS)
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She actually only took one nap yesterday. I am shooting for that - only one longer nap per day. I started trying to put her down at 1130 which is what time she usually goes down at daycare. She did not settle until about 120pm and then slept unti 330 pm.
As.for last night - omg!!! AWESOME!!! I gave her a bottle and put her in her crib by 720.she fidgeted for about 15 mins but then fell asleep. No night wakings. In fact she is still sleeping as I type this ar 530am. I'm fact this morning it was one of my pet cats that woke me up. I cannot believe it!!!! I'm scared to jinx it lol!!!
Thank you so much!!!!! Definitely going to keep workimg but last night was awesome!!!!!
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Yeah yeah yeah!!!! So happy for you Honey :)
Are you going to shoot for a later nap then, or try and stick with what nursery do ???
What time would you like her ideal WU to be in the morning ??? The nap time will depend on this :)
Well done you!!!! ;D
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Great news!! Keep up the good work! ;D
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Ideal wake up would be 630 am.
Last night was okay. She had 3 wake ups. The first 2 she was up and then down within 20 mins. The 3rd was a little different - we had some really bad storms last night and she woke up to thunder and got pretty scared. It was only 1 hr before she was supposed to wake up so I just held her in her nursery until she woke up for the day. How should I handle things like storms especially that close to normal wake up time?
Also she is no longer even trying for a bottle or the sippy cup of water at night. Wow!!!!!
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Hmm, I guess it depends how the storm was affecting her. If she would accept you just saying it was the rain etc. and nothing to be scared of and let you tuck her in and leave I'd do that. If she was scared and asking you to stay with her then I'd just sit by her bed reassuring her.
Great about the bottle :)
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Hey Hun :)
Fabulous news about the bottle, what a little star :)
2 NW with 20 min settling time is still really good for this stage of the game considering where she started, well done :)
WRT to the storm or any similar situations, what I figured out with regards to APOP (accidental parenting on purpose) is to start out with the minimum of help, so last night I would have started with shushing and maybe a hand on her back, then increase to a pat or a cuddle replacing back in the cot etc, so that you can be sure you didn't go further than was necessary, does that make sense ???
With regards to her routine if an ideal WU is 6.30 then I would maybe head towards her A time to nap being around 5.5 hours. So shooting for this eventually:
WU 6.30
Nap 12 until 2
BT 7.30.
Or if her nursery nap is later, maybe you could try and make it consistent across the week. What time is her nursery nap ???
How are you feeling Hun ??? ??? Are you feeling more confident and getting a little more sleep ??? :) I do hope so.
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Tonight is not going wonderfully.
She laid awake in her crib for an hour before going to sleep. I waited until she was asleep for 20 mins before I left her room and she has her first NW 20 mins later. Went down after 15 mins. Then at 1115 she woke up and has been fidgety ever since. It is now almost an hour and a half later and she is still not calming down.
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And... now... the... screaming has started. It is going to be a very long night. Sigh.
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Nursery nap is scheduled for 12 to 2 but DDs norm is 1130 to 130 most days.
Btw we are still awake... going on hour 3. Don't know what is going on tonight. Screaming is done but she will not go to sleep. She is actually laughing on nothing at all - or at least nothing I can tell
Just wish I had someone to split the night with. If the hubby comes in he will cave in 5 mins and pick her up and more than likely bring her back to bed. I love him but he only parents when it is easy for him. Especially when it comes to her sleeping
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Morning Hun,
It sounds like she may be UT to me. I would push the nap out later to midday if you can and keep that consistently. I don't mean to sound condescending but I am really proud of how well you are doing, I do know how hard it is especially in the MOTN. I also did all the ST alone, I needed to because I wasn't sure DH would follow the programme either so I preferred it that way.
Hopefully the ladies will be along soon to give their ideas. Stick with it, you will get there.
Lots of (HUGS)
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To be homest til tonigbt I was extremely happy with the progress. I kmiw that long term this will be best but man tonight is rough. Kinda want to scream myself. Dont know how she is still awake. And more than a little terrified of what this will mean for daytime tomorrow. She and I are both going to be very cranky...
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I will add that with any ST typically there is a regression after a few nights, so this may be all it is. It happened with DS after around 5 nights of doing great, it was like we were back at the start. It only lasted for a night and he did great again.
Try not to stress today, just put down for her nap and the rest is up to her, I think she'll be out quickly today :-X ;)
ETA: Can you rule pain out as a reason for her waking so early after BT ??? Teething or ear ache etc. Maybe meds can rule this out.
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No pain that I can tell - no fever, no ear pulling, ears show no indication of being sore, she is due to cut molars at any time but when I checked them yesterday they did not appear more swollen than the last few days.
I think she finally went down after almost 5 hrs.
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I think she finally went down after almost 5 hrs.
Wow, that is a long time, bless you Hun. See what happens tonight, I am praying that it was ST regression and tonight she will do better again. If not then I think we need to look at routine again. So so much is going on for her right now, learning to SI, a change of routine, possible cutting of molars at any time (which tends to cause havoc alone) it's a lot to deal with.
I would medicate before BT Hun, so that you can rule out pain. And you could try putting a pillow under her cot mattress to elevate her head slightly, this helps when teething, as the blood pools around the teeth causing pulsating and making any pain increase, so I would try that just in case also.
Please try and stay strong, you will look back at this one day and think "Wow, how did I get through that!?" but be so glad that you did.
Lots of (HUGS)
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Oh dear... lots and lots of (((hugs))), hon. That is a brutal NW! I Agree with Vicki, it's most likely regression combined with some teething pain. Long NWs like that are almost always discomfort in this house. If the molars are swollen, I'd definitely be giving meds... I've heard it can be most painful right before and while they cut.
I can't remember, have you set up a pillow and possibly mattress in her room so you can just lie there and rest (or sleep, if possible) while she's awake? Treat yourself to a nice coffee during the day and remember how well she did for those few nights. The best thing with regression is to stay consistent.
More (((hugs))), still here holding your hand! :-*
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My husband actually relieved me. Tried to get me to let her put of the crib. Let's just say that I was tired enough that my response was not nice and put the fear of god in him. He did stay in the nursery 3 hrs. Which let me get some rest. Last night was brutal!!!
We have a recliner in the nursery (across the room from the crib) so yes when needed we can stay in the nursery pretty darn comfortably.
I also gave her some infants advil before bed so hopefully that helps tonight.
She is actually already sleeping tonight. I have 15 mins left before I leave the nursery.
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Fingers crossed for a better night for you!
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She did VERY well last night. Down at 745 & 2 minor NW each less than 10 - 15 mins. She did wake up early at 530... what should I do in those instances? Today I just sat next to her and patted her back. I tried to get her back to sleep but my husband leaves for work at 545 - 600 and when he left the alarm system door alarm sounded and re-done her up.
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I'd just treat a 5.30am waking as a NW and resettle as of it were 1 or 2am. I d keep going until you reach an acceptable WU time, probably 6.30
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So glad she did better Hun, I agree with Ali completely, although I do understand how it can feel like a waste of time having BTDT, but it sends her the right message even if she doesn't resettle, which can stop habitual waking from setting in.
Hope tonight is better again, hang in there, you're doing so so well. And BTW well done on putting DH straight lol, don't suppose he'll be suggesting that again ;)
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Also agree with Ali, BTDT several times in my life! :P
So glad she had a better night... keep up the good work!! :)
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Sorry I haven't replied in a while. We have had a really rough week. DD is cutting two pre-molars and then her daycare called on thursday because she was running a temperature of 103.6. Needless to say we went to the doctor s office and on top of cutting teeth she had an ear infection. We had a couple of slip up days because she really wasn't feeling well and to be honest I wanted her close to me so I could monitor her fever more closely (it yo-yo ed between 99.0 and 102.7 for 3 days before finally breaking yesterday). She also had an evening where the antibiotic didn't settle well and she vomited all over me which was totally ewwww inspiring. I did at least try to put her in her crib to go to sleep each night and have been managing her wake ups. Tonight she fussed a little when she went down @ 715 and we are on our first wake up tonight (1040). She is back asleep and I am just waiting for deep sleep before leaving.
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I always think when they're sick all bets are off. You have to offer that extra TLC. Glad to hear she is recovering and settling in the cot.
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I agree with Ali, when they're sick they need you, just be there for her and continue with the good work Sweetie.x.
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Things have been going pretty well. One night DD will have minor NO (30 mins or less), there has even been one night of no NW...but tonight is not that night. We are on our 3rd NW and for this one she has been awake 45 mins so far. *sigh*
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Hi Hun,
This could still be down to her illness recovery, so try not to be disheartened. The fact that she has managed a no NW night, means she is capable, so try and let that be encouraging to you. Also with any ST there can be regression, typically after a few days, you can get one or two nights where things get worse, but then often they get better than before, who knows why!? but that's a possibility.
Sending lots of ((HUGS)) and more encouragement.x.
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Is she still working on those 1yr molars? With both my bigger two, I found that molars and canines caused ongoing random NWs for a period of time, rather than just a few nights. Not terribly bad, but it was like they were in enough discomfort to wake and need a bit of help going back to sleep. Once the teeth were through, they stopped waking.
Is her daytime routine pretty solidified now?
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Grrrr... her daytime routine was really affected by being sick!!!! She now will not in any way take a nap without me holding her - for 2 hours!!!! I have tried a lot of the same techniques I use at night during daytime and am failing. She goes down at weird times (mostly because when she wasn't feeling well she was sleeping a lot). Trying desperately to get her back on the 630 wake up, 12 - 2 nap and 730 bedtime. For example yesterday she slept from 11 - 12 and would not go back down and then 230 - 330. She is still going down very easily at 730 pm.
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Honestly Hun, I think you're doing the right thing to keep offering up her usual routine, but I'm afraid right now you may have to stick with some APOP and take what you get, with illness and teething, it's just so hard and things are always upside down for a while. If you feel she is desperate for a nap sooner, and that she would take a longer one if you put her down, then go with your instincts, sometimes this can be the way to get through, it really does depend on the LO and how set their body clock is and how suseptible to change they are.
Lots of ((HUGS))
x.
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Can I just say now that I hate molars?!?!? My DD is cutting not 1 or 2 but like 5 at one time. She has been having crazy NW the last few weeks - tonight we are working on #3. While none have been horribly long today one last night was an hour and the night before 3 hrs. I just need her to have one full nights sleep this week - for her and for me lol.
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Oh bless you Hun, they are a nightmare, you end up going to bed with dread don't you :( Have you elevated her mattress with a pillow underneath ???
x.
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No to the elevating the crib but she is moving All over and not sure if elevating would help since she is never in one place for long.
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No to the elevating the crib but she is moving All over and not sure if elevating would help since she is never in one place for long.
Sam was the same, he used to be at a different end every time I went in at that age! x.
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Sleep schedule is out the window this week!!!! Little bit has rsv and an ear infection. Add to that - she had a reaction to the 1st antibiotic given last month so now she has a horrible yeast infection "down there". We had a trip to the emergency room sunday night/Monday morning. She is coughing sooo much at night from the rsv that she keeps waking up. And she is sooooo tired. Today she woke up at 745 and was down for a nap by 845. Then up at 930 and down for a 3 hour nap at 11. And is in bed now at 830. I am so exhausted!!!!!
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Oh Sweetheart, I am so sorry to hear this :( Poor little mite, and poor you, it is awful dealing with a poorly LO. Between you and I, I have the same reaction to antibiotics right now, it happens to me every single time, they just upset the good/bad bacterial balance in your body but what choice do we have. Is there anything that can be done for a LO with a yeast infection ??? I will investigate and let you know if I come up with anything. Maybe you could post on the health forum Sweetie.
Sending healthy vibes and lots of love your way.x.
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Edited to add to the above.x.
Okay, in case you don't know the advise out there is:
Lay of the sugar, it helps yeast thrive.
Change nappies frequently, no powder of nappy cream.
Try and keep her out of nappies as much as possible to let the area breath.
Look into what her nappies are made of any maybe try for a more breatheable product.
The topical products recommended are Nystatin and liquid Mylanta. I have no previous experience of these so please take advise from your pharmacist or GP before using it, I'm no expert.
x.
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Thank you for the advice. Her pedi doctor has her using an ointment to help with the yeast infection. Just feel sorry for the LO her sleep is sooooo messed up. For instance she had been awake for almost 3 hrs tomight. Killer on me since I am getting sick too
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Oh dear, that's a really long NW bless you hearts. During these times I just give all the affection DS needs, which I'm sure you're doing, I wish I could give you more advise at this stage, but it is what it is :( Get well vibes for both of you, I will be here when you are ready to get back on track.
((HUGS))
x.