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SLEEP => Naps => Topic started by: AshleyMegan on August 21, 2016, 21:04:50 pm
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My daughter (9 months) used to nap at 11am until at least 12:30 or 1 pm, and again from 4-5pm, with me waking her at 5pm. Her morning wakeup is 7:30 am and bedtime is 7:30-7:45 pm. This past week, she has woke up at 12:10 pm, which I know is still an ok nap.
Should I still be capping the evening nap at 5? I feel awful waking her since her 1st nap
Hasn't been as long, but don't want to interfere with bedtime.
We have playgroup twice a week at 12:45/1pm until 3 and these naps have worked good for us. Just not sure if she may be on her way to one nap
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It's common to have one longer and one shorter nap at this age :) It sounds like she's telling you she needs her first (longer nap) a bit later to have a full nap again, so you could just try moving it to 11.15am and see if that gets the long nap back again. Shouldn't interfere too much with your playgroup - even if you need to wake her a few mins early twice a week I wouldn't think that would be too much of an issue x
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Perfect, thank you! I tried that the past few days and her naps are back up to at least 1.5 hours 😊
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That's great :)
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Ok so I'm not sure if I should be continuing on this thread or starting a new one...
The past 3 days my daughter (now 9.5 months) has been sleeping 2-2.5 hours for her first nap. It has been from 1115-115 or 145 (no playgroup this week) I did try putting her down at 4pm for her last nap but she was talking to herself for a while and finally fell asleep at 430. I did wake her at 5 since I didn't want it to interfere with night sleep.
Should I wake her at a certain point from this first nap? I'm not used to her sleeping this long.
And should I continue with the last nap even if it's only 30 minutes?
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Hi!
If the long first nap and the 30min CN is working for her and not interfering with her night sleep, I'd stick with it.
I would keep a second CN to get to BT though as otherwise it's too long an A time and she's probably young to manage on only 1 nap without OT creeping in.
Sounds like she's in the 2-1 transition now: From 2 to 1 nap transition (10-12m and older)
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Ahh the past few days both her naps have only been 45 minutes and she wakes up screaming. (It started with just the morning nap, but yesterday and today, the pm was short too).
She hasn't done this in so long.
Do you think I should keep with the same schedule, and assume she's going through a developmental leap, or try extending A times, yet again?
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Could she be teething? Waking screaming at the sleep cycle transition point sounds like something is bothering her....I wouldn't immediately change the schedule given how sudden a change it is, perhaps just ride it out a few days (and try pain meds if you feel that could be an issue) and see what happens?
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She is teething but it doesn't seem to bother her at bed or throughout the day.
I did give her a dose of pain Meds and she slept 55 minutes this morning. I put her down at 4pm for her late nap and it took her 20 minutes to fall asleep (no crying, just talking to herself) and she woke up 40 minutes later. 😥 I'm at a loss.
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With my DS when we started the 2-1 I had to reverse it and do the CN in the morning followed by the long nap in the afternoon. I guess the issue with that would be your playgroup though.
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I was thinking that as well. However, even when she does a short nap in the morning, her afternoon ones are still short. She only has playgroup Monday and Thursday, and really, if it means her napping properly, I could always miss it.
When did your LO fully go to one nap per day? Mine just seems so young!
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DS did at 12 months when he went to daycare, that was the schedule there and he was already on his way to 1 nap so it just kind of helped push him there. On the weekends though he'd often revert back to 2 for a while just to help catch up, up it was maybe 30mins in the morning and then the good PM nap.
We are much of the same with DD right now, a good morning nap and then 30-45mins in the PM.
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Hmmm little ones- they're always changing!
She has been sleeping for exactly one hour per nap today (which I know isn't bad) but she still wakes up fussy. Do you think it would be beneficial to extend her A time by another 15 minutes to see if that helps and gives us a longer nap?
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Yes I think extending might be beneficial, an hour is still a good nap but given that they are both an hour neither is overly restorative which is likely why she is fussy. I would extend and try to get 1 x 1.5hr nap and then the next nap can be shorter. We do 1 x 1.5/1.45 and 1 x 45min...sometimes more sometimes less.
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Thought I'd provide an update. We had a few errands to run today which lasted longer than expected, and we were late getting home. She went down for a nap significantly later at 12:45 pm (and she wasnt cranky whatsoever), she slept until 3pm and woke up so happy 😊 However, there wasn't really much time for a second nap. She went to bed great at 7:45.
Does this mean she's already on a one nap schedule?
If so, will it affect her to do 2 days a week of 2 shorter naps due to playgroup?
Sorry for all the questions 😊
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Jumping to 1 might be a stretch but it is not outside of the realm of possibility. I think if you go for it, it may work for a few days but OT might catch up. It might be one of those things where maybe you alternate between 1 nap and 2 nap days to kind of combat OT, which sounds like it may actually work within your playgroup schedule. Moving to 1 nap can be a lengthy process. There is a 2-1 thread if you want to check it out :)
Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #27
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Gosh that seems confusing haha.
Well today we didn't have a bunch of errands and she started getting really tired at 1215 instead of 1245 so I put her down for a nap then. But she only napped an hour and woke up screaming again.
So either I put her down at her normal 1115, hope for a nap longer than an hour but expect an hour one and then again at 4pm or try keeping her up until 1245 and pray for a long one? Ugh so frustrating lol
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I think she's quite young for 1 nap, as Lindsay says, and it sounds like OT is catching up a bit with the shorter nap and upset on waking.
I think LOs at this age can sometimes do an occasional 1 nap day and cope with it but aren't ready for it every day. I think I'd try her back at her usual time for her to catch up then try to push her nap later a bit more gradually if you still want to try for one long one shorter rather than 2 hour long naps (although 2x 1hr long naps sounds ok at this age too)
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Thank you.
We've been sticking with the 2 naps and she is still hit and miss. She will sleep for an hour and then wake up, sitting right up, clearly still tired because she more so 'whimpers' and tries to go back to sleep (rolls back onto her stomach, soothing herself with her hand. She falls back asleep for another 30-60 minutes 50% of the time.
Should I leave the nap time the same at 11:15 and just let her fuss a bit, hoping she goes back to sleep? She in right in the middle of a developmental leap, also, according to the wonder weeks.
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You could try pushing your A slightly longer, but I'm thinking if it were me I'd stick to the same time it is now and if she sleeps an hour then aim for a CN later on. I think if you push A times more you kind of have to be ready to make the plunge to 1 nap and I'm not quite sure you are there yet yk? I can see how things are awkward though you are definitely in the beginnings of the 2-1.
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Thats what I'll do 😊 Thank you. It really is at an awkward stage, and I'm
Not ready to take the plunge to 1 nap yet. Haha. Thanks again 😊
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I'd say about 75% of our morning naps are now down to 40 minutes tops and she wakes up screaming. Should I attribute this to teething or increase her A time by 15 minutes? It's been like this the past week. Thank you.
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Can you write out your day hun in EAS just so I can take a look and see where you are at?
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No problem
She wakes between 7:15-7:30.
E- 7:45. (8 oz formula), solids at 9:00-9:30
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S-11:15 - ?? Lately has been up by 11:55. Used to sleep until 12:30 or 1pm.
E. solids lunch around 12:30 or 1, depending on when she wakes. 8 oz of formula at 3pm.
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S 4:00-5:00pm
E. solids dinner at 5:30
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8 oz of formula at 7 pm, followed directly by bath and bed. Sleeps through the night
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So as you know, 40min naps are usually the tell-tale sign of UT, so I think you have 2 options - one is to push that first A slightly longer and see what happens, if you get a longer nap. If you do, then you are really pushing into the 2-1 and I would only do a small CN (20-30mins) later on.
Have you ever thought about doing a short AM/long PM combo? What you would essentially do is offer a short 30-45min nap after a shorter first A...the A has to be long enough that she'll fall asleep, but not so long that she's a bear when she wakes up, and then do a long PM nap. I had to do this with my DS at 10 months. So maybe something like:
WU 7:15
Nap 10:30/45-11:15
Nap 2:15-3:45
BT 7:15/7:30
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That does make sense.
We have playgroup twice a week, so the pm nap wouldn't be able to start until at least 3:30 if I were to do the short am, long pm. Do you think that will be an issue, having her sleep from 3:30-5 2 days of the week or will it mess everything up? I could always change playgroup locations but she made so many friends here lol
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Hmmmm I'm not sure to be honest, when we did the short AM/long PM we did it every day, I'm not sure if alternating would confuse her ya know? You can certainly try!
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That's what I was worried about, too! On the weekend, we kept her up until 11:30 instead of 11:15, and she slept anywhere from 1.25 hrs to 1.75 hrs. 😊
Now I'm sitting here waiting for her to wake up to go to playgroup lol.
How will I know when she is ready for one nap instead of 2?
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It is very much a back and forth process, at least it was for us. You might find you have a few 1 nap days and then you have to go back to 2 for a few days to catch up from OT. I would say some general signs are refusing the PM nap, too much day sleep resulting in either EWs or a loooong BT. We went to 1 nap at 12 months when my DS went to daycare, but then did 2 naps on the weekends for probably another 3 months after.
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I think we should probably start trying the short am, long pm. She seems to wake up after only 1 hr 10 minutes for the am nap now. I found, however, doing the short am nap (because of dr appts twice), she slept for 1.5 hours For pm naps both days
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We are pretty much in the same boat. My DD will still take a good morning nap but then all out refuses a PM nap. We had 4 days this week where she only took the 1 morning nap, it wasn't pretty! So I don't think I have a choice at this point! I hope it works for you, we are right there along with you!
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My dd is now taking 25 minutes to fall asleep for the morning nap. (If I keep it at 11:30)
I had another appt yesterday during her naptime and she dosed off for 25/30 minutes in the car at 11:30 and I put her down for her next nap at 2:45 and she slept until 4:45. I thought she would be cranky staying up til 11:30 with such a short nap.
I'm thinking she either needs a longer A time (but that would be pushing it until 11:45) or stick with a shorter morning nap at 11:15- but what if she refuses it and will take her 20 minutes to fall asleep?
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I agree hun - if you push your A time you are really looking at almost a 1 nap day, which is fine, but I would only allow for maybe a 20min CN in the late afternoon to get her to BT, or try 1 nap and pull BT forward.
Alternatively you can stick with the shorter morning nap and do a longer one in the PM, it is honestly just kind of trial and error re: if she refuses it. If she takes a long time to fall asleep I would just adjust the PM nap accordingly (you might have to push it out and cap it). Have you ever tried an earlier morning nap...at like 10:30? Do you think she would all out refuse?
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I haven't tried the earlier nap at like 10:30; I think she would refuse, but it's probably worth a shot.
Today it took 20 minutes to fall asleep, then she woke 40 minutes in again, with her nap being at 11:30. I'll try putting her down tomorrow at 10:30 and see how she does 😣
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So she did fall asleep but I hate waking her after only 40 minutes 😣.
She had another doctors appointment yesterday, and then we had to wait at the pharmacy for way too long so it cut into her nap. I then fed her lunch and put her down at 1 o'clock and she slept until 315.
She was fine until her bed time (which was delayed a bit) and fell asleep by 8. Woke up at 7am.
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I hate waking too, but it sounds like a good day and good WU!
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Sorry I meant to clarify. The nap from 1-3:15 was without the short nap, it was only a single nap day.
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Oh sorry, I thought you meant the 40min nap was in the morning. So a 1 nap day seemed to go okay? The 2-1 is a very long transition (at least it was for my DS) where you may have a few 1 nap days but then need a 2 nap day to catch up.
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It did seem to go okay, however she was exhausted by 10:30 this morning, instead of her normal 11:30. I put her down at 10:30, expecting a 40 minute nap, but she slept for 1.5 hours, so I capped her evening nap today.
Ahh this is going to be a long few months 😊
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Oh good thinking, it sounds like you really have a handle on what she needs! :). Some people are able to drop to 1 nap pretty quickly but I found it was really back and forth for us for a good while.
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The last few days she did not appear tired at all until 1pm, so I attempted a 1 nap day but she woke screaming 40 minutes into her nap. Could this be because she is over tired? I know 40 minutes is usually UT but it doesn't make sense here. I was able to get her back to sleep around 3 and she slept until 4:45.
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Ya I would say probably OT too, even though the nap was 40mins. Have you tried a short AM or does it mess with your play group? Today we had a 7am WU and a short nap from 10:30-11 and just went down again at 2:30 so we'all see how that goes!
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I did try that and it seemed to work. I stupidly thought she could handle the one nap because she never seemed tired, lol. I think I'll be sticking to the short morning nap though. 😊 Hopefully today works out for you- I know how frustrating it can be 😊
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Short morning nap today at 11am, woke up miserable after 40 minutes. Nap at 3pm, woke at 50 minutes even more miserable 😣😣
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Our naps are pretty much non existent. She cries when I put her down(which she never did), and when she finally falls asleep, it is only for 20-40 minutes, and it takes 30 minutes to calm her. Bedtime isn't affected at all. I'm at a loss 😣😞
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Hi!
Not read your full thread but just popping in to reply. How old is your LO now? Could you post her "typical" day?
Short naps & waking miserable is often OT. Could be build up from the 1 nap days? Or something developmental? Or teething?
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She is now 11.5 months.
Her typical day...well...haha
Wake up 7:30, bottle.
Breakfast at 9am.
Nap at 11:00 or 11:30...(often only 40 minutes- yesterday it was 20 minutes- I did try doing it earlier for about 1 week to do a short am, long pm but she started refusing that nap at that time.)
Lunch after nap.
Bottle at 2-2:30 pm.
Nap at 2:30/3 pm depending on when she woke from first nap. (Again, often only 40 minutes)
Dinner 5-530.
Bottle at 7.
Bath then bed between 7:30-8pm
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You might have already thought of this, but could she be waking from hunger? With an 11.30ish nap, if I was hoping for along one, I would try giving breakfast a little earlier maybe around 8/8.30 & a big snack or half lunch before the nap say 10.45/11ish & the rest after nap.
Alternatively Is there anything that could be causing her to wake early from her first nap? Teeth? Working on new skills?
If not to the above, I wonder whether you could be getting some UT/OT? I.e. UT for first nap but then OT for next nap? Some LOs go to 1 nap around 12mo (my DD did). Is it worth trying an earlier lunch (11/11.30) and a 12.00 nap?
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I originally thought it was hunger, so I tried feeding her prior, and it made no difference.
Today, I put her down for a nap at 11:30- she woke at 40 minutes and by the time I went to get her, it was silent again (only took 30 seconds lol). She ended up sleeping until 1:30 (had to wake her). I put her down for her next nap at 3:45, and woke 40 minutes in, but was able to put herself back to sleep and she slept until 5:15 (again, had to wake her).
I just found a tooth just popped through and she is talking up a storm as of today. So maybe it was teething or developmental.
I think I will have to start limiting her naps now. I was trying to let her catch up on missed sleep. We put her to bed at 7:30 and she didn't fall asleep til 8:15 (babbling to herself).
I think I'll have to go back to the morning catnap and the long pm nap.
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Pesky teeth!
Hope you get a good night and better naps continue xxx
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i think things are slowly getting better. She is wide awake if I try to put her down early for a short am nap and it takes her a while to sleep.
On the days we have playgroup, I put her down at 11:15, and I wake her around 12:45. She sleeps again around 3:30-5. (This is 2 days per week)
On the days where we don't have playgroup, I put her down around 11:30 and sometimes she'll sleep until 1:30-2. I've been doing a short nap in the pm, from about 4-5, just because, but really, she doesn't act like she needs it.
Shes going to bed between 7:30-8 now and is Sttn until 7:15am.
My question is, for the days without playgroup, should I try to delay her nap until 12pm, then 12:30 or 1pm, and attempt one nap dats again?
What's considered a good nap length for 1 nap days, where she shouldn't require a cat nap?
Thanks!
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If you're getting a good nap at 11.30 and managing g a PM CN too and a good night afterwards, I'd stick with it, sounds ideal!
General advice is to hang on to 2 naps for as long as possible (ie until they cause disruption to nights- either not going to sleep at BT, NW or EW, or are refused totally) to avoid OT creeping in.
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Perfect, thank you!
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I'm back looking for your opinion again :)
The last few days she has only slept for an hour for her morning nap. Not bad, but not great either...
Last night she woke up at 11:45 pm, and thought it was time to party until 1:30 am...which is not like her at all. She has STTN unless she was sick, and even then, it was easy to get her back down, unlike last night.
Her pm nap today...well....we're going on 30 minutes and she still isn't asleep. Playing, fussing....everything but sleeping.
Do I continue with this routine for a few more days and pray she sttn or do I make the plunge and go to one nap?
Thanks!
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I don't know that I have much advice hun, we are in the same boat. My DD will often do a mega morning nap, but then will refuse a late afternoon CN and it ends up being a 1 nap day. When I cap her morning nap however (45mins), she only naps an hour in the afternoon, so either nap is not overly restorative and she ends up being a mess by the end of the day.
Last night she woke up at 11:45 pm, and thought it was time to party until 1:30 am...which is not like her at all.
If it was just a 1-off I wouldn't overthink it too much, might just be a fluke ya know. See what happens tonight :)
It is very much back and forth, I try for 2 naps every day but I would say that probably 4 out of 7 days are 1 nap days, but I know we are not ready for 1 nap every day. How much A time are you giving between her morning nap and afternoon nap?
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It's about a three hour A time right now between morning and afternoon nap. I think any more and it'll start interfering with her bed time. There needs to be a manual for this stuff 😉
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Sleeping through the night is much better now but she is still fighting her last nap and is soo miserable come bedtime. I think our children are exactly the same lol
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It's a hard transition for sure!! I am just trying to make it to when she goes to daycare full time because I know when that happens they will easily get her into a 1 nap routine.
I actually started a thread too and the ladies there recommended to me to do a super short morning nap - max 30mins and then a long PM nap. I think though that the long morning nap works better for us so I am just going to try to keep pushing it so it is mid-day. I think if you can consistently get a long nap at 11:30am or later I would skip the second nap and do an EBT.
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Oh it's so hard! I'm actually back to work, but working from home (luckily), but trying to plan my work into when she naps. Which really, at this point, is difficult to do. Haha.
We had an appointment yesterday, during her nap time at 11:30, which I thought was unfortunate. But she didn't appear tired at all until we got home. Gave her lunch and put her down for a nap at 1:30 and she slept until 4:00 pm, and normal bedtime at 7:30.
I was worried that OT would catch up to her, so I put her down for her normal nap at 11:30, and she only slept for an hour and 10 minutes. I think we're closer to the 1 nap than we think. :|
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It really does sound like she might be ready for you to take the plunge. I know with DS once the naps hit 11:30/12 we just went for it and did EBT as necessary.
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Ahh so we did it, we took the plunge 80% of the days.
She sleeps from about 1:30-4pm now, and actually has a more sound sleep at night. Yesterday she fell asleep in the morning in the car so we had to do a pm nap...and thanks to the video monitor, you can tell she wasn't sleeping as sound.
Thank you so much for all your help!
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Woo hoo!! It sounds like she's doing amazing! You will get those odd days where they fall asleep in the morning and need a 2 nap day, usually as you said in the car, but it doesn't normally affect things too much if the majority are 1 nap days.
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I swear...everytime I say it goes good, something changes. Haha.
The past 2 days, she has gone for her nap at 1:30. She wakes up screaming about an hour, 1 hour 5 minutes into her nap. She sits up, does a lap around her crib and tries to go back to sleep. She doesn't consistently cry, just off and on, so not enough for me to go to her. She keeps lying back down to try to sleep, then sits back up, and repeats the process. Yesterday she did this for a good 45 minutes and then fell back asleep until 4:30.
Any thoughts on this? Could she be over tired? Do I attempt to go back to 2 naps? I'm at a loss!
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How long have you been sticking to 1 nap now? At a certain point I think you have to go for it and stick with it, so if you think OT is a factor I think I would probably opt to move nap earlier. Any teeth coming through? What you are describing sounds a lot like my DD when she's teething or sick.