Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 3

[lulunut]

Clairbear- sorry I haven't got back sooner.  When I did 2 naps I did longer AM and shorter PM.  Some do the opposite.  Whatever works for you.  I found that I could extend the am A times easier with a longer AM nap.  When I first went to 1 nap he only did 45-60 min.  I had to AP him.  Now he does 1.25-1.5. 

I found that it didn't matter what time I put him to bed he would still do EW. So this lead me to keep BT at the same time.  If he doesn't get long night sleep he makes up for it in the next day nap.  When I know that he does this I cap his nap at 1.5 hours and do a 15-30min earlier BT.  Some babies will just do between 10-12 hours at night.  I depends on the babe.  My DD did 10 hour nights for a long time.  She has just now been doing 11 hours, probably due to shortening her nap to 1.25 hours.  (We are in transition to no naps!)

And for all those EW babe's...mine STILL does EW.  Usually 5:30-5:45.  I AP him until 6-6:30.  Our usual wake time.  i get the odd 6am or later wake and I have no idea what makes this happen!  I have just given up on fighting it and just going with it!!!  I just goto bed earlier!!

Hugs for all of you!!

[Lemonthyme]

He woke at 5:50am this morning then chatted till 6:10am.  We did a bit of PUPD which wasn't successful (go figure) to try and extend his sleep but since then it seems to be getting better?  Go figure!  Maybe it's the PUPD, maybe it was teething?  Who knows!  I'm sure it won't last but I'm enjoying it while it does!

[clairebear79]

Glad things are improving Lemonthyme.

We got a 6am WU today so 11.5hrs sleep.  Which is great.  He is very tired again this morning though, probably due to the huge 6hr+ A time he did yesterday, so has gone to bed at 10.10am.  Ladies I think I am going to try & do a set nap of 10am & cap at 1.5hrs, to try & ensure we get that PM nap, AND give some consistency to the day.  I suspect he may not sleep for his PM nap until 4hr A time which leaves us with a quandry over how long to let him sleep, since if he does 45mins the nap will be 3.30-4.15.  With a 7pm BT this is probably not enough A time after the nap & will result in EW.  So I was thinking of maybe doing 30mins 3.30-4pm & then a 6.30pm BT, in hopes of an 11.5hr night.  What do you think?

[newmama12]

Ladies, what am I doing wrong?!?! Here's what he did yesterday...

5:15am wake
9:15-10 nap (I woke him)
1-2:30 nap (he woke on his own)
6:40 BT
5:00 am WU this morning
He stayed in his own bed whining and playing till just before 6, but never would go back to sleep.

He only had 2.15 in naps yesterday and a 10 hour 20 minute night. Should he have had an earlier BT? I just don't understand where I am going wrong....

To make matters worse, I found out that dd will be in PM preschool in the fall. That is awful for ds's nap schedule. School is 12:45-3:15. I have to leave around 12:30 to drive her and we won't get back till 1:00. If we start transitioning to 1 nap, he'll want to sleep from 11-1 or something like that and won't nap while she's in school. I was hoping she would get into the AM class and he would nap after I picked her up. So, now I don't know what to do. If he continues to wake at 5am, there's no way he'll be able to do one nap at 1:00 until he's closer to age 2. That's a long way off.

[clairebear79]

Cyndie - did you see my last post to you about W2S   I really don't think your naps are excessive but yes the night is a tad short.  I really do think it has a lot to do with the AM nap starting to early.  Could you try shifting it out a little so it starts no earlier than 9.30am?  We have been in pretty much the same boat up to now with these darn EW's & this is the one thing that has REALLY helped us.  We are now doing AM nap at around 10am & we are getting 11-11.5hr nights generally.  We've even been able to keep BT at 7pm. 

I was just thinking re: your situation with DD starting preschool.  If you could get your AM nap starting say 30mins later, but keep it at 45mins & shift everything else 30mins later too (incl BT) then your day would fit around her schooling.  Might not resolve the short nights but would help with the this.

Also did you try a 30min AM nap?

[newmama12]

Claire, I somehow missed your last response to me about W2S, but I just went back and read it. I have not tried that. I'll have to look into it. Not sure how it works.

It's sooo hard to get to 9:30 when he wakes at 5am. That 4.5 hours is tough for him, but I really gotta push thru it. I'll be honest, and say that I haven't tried 30 minutes consistently. I'll do it for a few days, then go back to 45 b/c he seems OT or has bad PM naps or something. I need to push forward more if I want to resolve this.

As far as the preschool hours, do you think I should just keep up with the 2 naps for awhile then? I think she starts in about 4 weeks. I doubt he'll be ready for only 1 nap by then, but I'm betting by fall he will be (hopefully). That's a good suggestion to shift everything 30 minutes forward. However, his current schedule would still work for her school if I keep the 2 naps. We could do 9:30-10, then 1-2:30 or so. I could keep pushing it out slowly till we get to 10-10:20/10:30 and same PM nap time.

This is so much work - LOL!

[clairebear79]

It's sooo hard to get to 9:30 when he wakes at 5am. That 4.5 hours is tough for him, but I really gotta push thru it.

I know exactly what you mean.  We had the exact same performance, but I stuck it out despite how tired O was getting.  And after a few weeks he is quite happy to take his nap that bit later.  And we are generally up around 6am now which is waaay better than the 5's or 4am's we were getting before.

Ladies - our day has gone:
Wake: 6am
Nap: 10.10 - 11.40 A = 4h 10   S = 1.5hrs   (we woke him at 1.5hrs or he'd likely refuse the PM nap)
CN:   3.55 - 4.25    A = 4h 15   S = 30min   (PD at 3.30.  He struggled to settle, then he woke himself at 30mins - OT???)
BT:    7pm

Do you think that 2nd A was too long after a 1.5hr nap   He yawned in the car after 2h 45 but didn't sleep, so he carried on playing at home.  He was starting to look a bit tired by 3.30, but I wasn't sure if he was quite ready for sleep or if he'd gone past the point!  PD & he fought - kicking the cot rails & shouting for a while before going to sleep.  Then a 30min nap - OT???  Maybe I should have PD at 3pm (3.5hrs A) instead?

I'm actually wondering if we are just going to encourage EW by having a 30min nap after 4pm & so close to BT at 7pm.  Is a 2.5hr A time at the end of the day actually long enough for an almost 1YO???

[newmama12]

Hmmm, Claire, I'm not sure, but I probably would have done 3.5 A. It's so hard to find the right balance and it seems to change daily. Confusing, for sure!

We had an interesting day yesterday. So, he was up super early. Crabby, crying and all that by 8:30am. We had to go to the city for a birthday party and I knew we'd be gone all afternoon and he would only get a quick nap in the car. I decided to put him down a little early for the AM nap and let him sleep. He did 8:30-10:15. Really good! Then he napped in the car from 2-2:30. Was up (and really really happy) the entire afternoon at the party. We didn't leave till about 6:25 (his typical BT!) and he didn't sleep in the car. By the time we got home, did bath and went to bed it was 8pm.

So, it looked like this...
5:00 wake
8:30-10:15 nap
2-2:30 nap
8:00 BT
6:00 WU

Very interesting he had another 10 hour night, but he did have an incredibly long PM 'A' after only a 30 minute nap. However, I was pleased to see he didn't wake at 5am! I have hope now - LOL!

[clairebear79]

Cyndie/Sabs - how are things going?

Ladies....we had a 1 nap day again today. 

Wake 6.30am
Nap:  11.30 - 1.30  (at IL's - woohoo!  longest nap he's ever taken at their house!!!)
BT:   6.40pm

I wasn't sure whether to do 6.30 or 7pm BT b/c the longest night he's ever done is 11.5hrs, but I didn't want to push him too far & cause OT.  So opted for 6.30pm.  I guess if he wakes at 6am tomorrow we'll know he needs that slightly longer A to BT.

[scucci1979]

Great job Claire. It has been a while ladies. I am trying to sort out my toddler's sleep. She is my good sleeper and ATM we are going through SA and 1-0.

We were doing fairly well with one naps. They were varying from 1hr and 45min to about 2.5hours. Of course I have to always extend. I find that A does better with a 5.5 A in the am and pm.  today I tried a two nap day as we got a 5:30am wu. Don't know if she went to bed UT the previous night as she just chatted and laughed for a good 20min.  We had a really long day today b/c of the CN. She was asleep by 7:45pm. Normally, bt varies between 7-7:30pm. 
I will try to come back soon ladies. I need to sort out the other girl first as she is just in an OT mess. 

[newmama12]

Claire, that is AWESOME!! Great job! I am so jealous of his 6:30 WU!

Sabs, glad you are doing pretty good with one nap!

We are still, pretty much, in the same position. I've played around with a long AM/short PM, but that didn't make a difference (well, I only did it for maybe 2 days in a row). Yesterday he had a 1.5 hour AM nap, which I woke him from b/c we had to leave. Then he did 30 minutes in the car from 2:30-3. He didn't go to bed till about 6:45 or so. Then he woke at 5:45 this morning. He did wake at 4:45, fussed for a minute or two and went back to sleep (thank goodness!). So, I guess we got (just about) an 11 hour night - which I shouldn't complain about! And naps yesterday were 2 hours total.
The only thing that I'm 'concerned' about is that now when he wakes in the morning he's automatically whiney and whines till I get him up. He use to quietly play, talk/babble, then fuss after about 30-45 minutes. Do you think he's waking crabby b/c he's OT? I just don't understand why he use to wake happy and now he wakes whiney.

Today, we have nothing planned except errands, so I'm going to aim for a 9:30-10 AM nap, then probably 12:30/1 PM nap. He might be slightly OT from yesterday (and Sunday as he didn't get good naps) but I'm going to wing it and see what happens. Worse case, he'll just do early BT.

[clairebear79]

Sabs - great Alyssa is still doing OK with her 1 nap days.  Sorry to hear you are having trouble with Madi - hope things settle with her soon.

Cyndie - so your WU this morning was later than usual then - that's great!  Out of interest, what time did he wake yesterday & what time was his AM nap?  Just wondered if it was a bit later than usual ?  I'm just wondering if you are in a pretty similar position as we were a few weeks back & need to get that AM nap pushed out a bit more.  His crabbiness at WU could be a bit of OT - esp if you have been pushing out the AM nap, but hopefully if you work your way through it & keep on pushing you might break the EW cycle & get some longer nights.  We too had a very early AM nap not so long ago & O is just amazing me now with the long A times he can handle.  I think I'd just never pushed him before b/c of fear of making him OT but this was just perpetuating the problem for us.  I'll keep my FX'd for you that you get a good result tonight anyway.

Ladies, today went:

Wake: 6am   (after brief WU at 10pm & 4.30am.  Total night sleep 11h 20)
Nap:   11.05am - 1.45pm   (brief WU at 40mins - cried for a minute then back to sleep.  OT   I woke him at 2h 40 b/c I was scared to let him sleep any longer - was this stupid?! )
BT:    7pm

I'm not sure if the monster nap & the 40min WU mean he was OT   I got scared to let him sleep longer b/c one of the other 2-1 ladies did a 3hr nap the other day & got EW the next day, but then maybe I am silly to compare as our LO's are different!  O is cutting top molars ATM so maybe this is making him extra sleepy.  I so hope we don't get EW tomorrow!

[<Catherine>]

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