Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

[<Catherine>]

Continued from http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=173945.msg2286390#msg2286390

If I could also remind everyone to please avoid m-a-r-king

[newmama12]

Argh! I just typed out a whole response to you, Claire, and it got locked when I sent it and it all disappeared. So, I'll try again...

I think he was up early yesterday. Pretty sure around 5:15. I had to do an early nap b/c we had somewhere to be. I let him nap from 8:45-10:15 and I woke him. Then he did 2:30-3 in the car. I do remember him having a 6am WU a few days ago, but it was still a 10 hour night. Got to rid of those! He went to bed super late (well, for him) at 8pm and woke at 6am. So, I guess that doesn't count. I'm just happy he's made it past 5:15 a few times. That gives me hope that he's not perpetually stuck there. Right?!

This morning, he woke at 5:45 and I put him down at 9:30. He woke, himself, at 10. UT?! He's been in a super mood so I kept him up till 1:00 for the PM nap. It's now 2:15 and he's been stirring since just after 2. OT?! It's gonna be a loooonnng afternoon if he doesn't go back to sleep.

Claire, I think we are in a very similar situation that you and O were in a few weeks/months ago. I hope to get to where he is now soon! I just gotta keep pushing that AM nap out to 9:30 for 30 minutes and go from there.

[scucci1979]

I am back ladies. Alyssa is giving me 1hr and 20min naps again. I can mostly extend them but today I couldn't so I have to fit in a Cn. 
everyone is telling me that a 1hr and 20min nap is OT, I guess they are right.  She woke up this morning at 6:20am and I put her down for her nap at 11:40am, she was fussing earlier, so possibly OT, and woke up at the 50min mark then again at the 1hr and 20min mark, which I couldn't extend.  Now I have to fit in a Cn and do a later bt. This is really tough!
I hope your days are going well.

what do 1hr and 20min naps mean for your lo?

[lulunut]

Ok, here is a strange one!  The last two days he hasn't gone down for his nap until 3pm.  He has been with Grannie and I am guessing it's OS.  When I goto pick him up around 2-3pm he falls asleep in the car.  I let him sleep and hour with later BT.  I still get EW with this.   What the heck?

[Mackjack]

I'm getting the same problem, Lulunut! Have posted on the "sleeping for toddlers" board but not had a response yet. I'm not getting EWs but all of a sudden she's changed from having a 2-3 hour nap starting at approx 11.30/12 with clear sleepy cues,  to not seeming tired at all!! So am having to just assume she's tired when it gets to about 1.30pm (even though she's running around) and then  hold her in my arms in her room for about 10mins to get her drowsy for her nap. She's sleeping 1.5hours tops. She also wakes up from the nap grumpy (never used to).

She goes to bed about 7pm and wakes between 6.15-7am.

[newmama12]

I think we're in the midst of an OT/UT loop (again!). His schedule today has been:

5:30 wake
9:30-10 nap (he woke) He might have been up closer to 6am, but I'm not totally sure. He didn't make any noise this morning and when I checked on him at 6, he was wide awake. So, not exactly sure when he woke up.
1:00-2:00 nap (he woke himself and won't resettle to go back down)
BT is going to have to be early. Bummer b/c I just made plans to hang with some friends. I assumed he'd give me a good 1.5. Guess we'll have to cut that short.

Yesterday, we had a similar issue. He took a 30 minute in the morning (9:30-10), woke on his own. Then woke after an hour and 20 minutes into the PM nap. Why am I getting such short naps now?! The morning one, I don't care about b/c we want it to be short. But the PM cannot be only and hour or even an hour 20 is not good when he's only done 30 in the AM and has been up since 5:30! Is he OT?! Should he be napping closer to 12:30 if he only does 30 in the AM?

[scucci1979]

Alyssa is the queen of 1hr and 20min naps. Today she finally took a 2 hour nap on her own without me needing to extend. A time for that was 5hrs and 20min. Was it a fluke? I don't know!

Can you push out that am nap to at least 9:45am and cap it to 20min. I haven't figured out if 1hr and 20min naps are Ut or OT. I really don't know!  I wonder if you can have him down for his nap 2.5hours after his 30min nap. You can see what that gives you.

so we had a really perfect day here.
wake 6:30am
nap 11:55-2pm(no intervention required)I am shocked but know this won't last.
in bed at 7:15pm and has been chatting for the last 15min.
Don't know what kind of wu we will get tomorrow.

I am always on edge with her nap. I always have to extend it for some reason. maybe 5.5hrs in the am is too much. Going to try the same A time tomorrow and see what I get or else I am going to increase it.

Claire, how's it going?

[lulunut]

I rarely get him down for more than 1.5 for nap.  The last few days have been catch up days since Grannies.  He slept through until 6:30am with 1.5 nap that day.  He is getting his eye teeth.  This may also be messing things up.  Is that what is happening to you MackJack?

i have also heard of some kids going down from 1-3pm for nap.  I have always done 12pm but that is what works for me.  I can't them down for BT if it's later.  Anyone else have 1-3 work for them?  What time would you do BT?

Sabs-good job on your perfect day!!

New mama- I say try earlier nap time.  Hugs!

[toffer]

I am also getting 1 hr 20 min naps all of a sudden but I take him at 12 pm to his room and have story time W/D and he is not showing tired signs when we go. I wanted him to sleep 12:30-2:30 so BT could still be before 8:30 pm since he can do 6 hr A time but maybe UT is causing short naps since he is up by 1:30? Maybe I will push it a bit later and see how that works. Somedays he does 2+ hr naps but maybe is awake earlier those morning.....Tricky figuring out these monkeys sometimes!
1 nap is working well for me though otherwise so far.

[scucci1979]

let me know if pushing that nap out helps. I know for some moms those naps mean teething. I think Alyssa is teething here. Then again, they are always teething, aren't they?

[toffer]

Yup! we are behind in that department. Finn has 2 bottom fronts and one top just popped through and the other is swollen. His mollars feel like big bumps too, but he wouldn't get them before the other fronts would he?
Just about nap time so we will see how it goes...

[lulunut]

Yep, teeth do it all the time!

As far as order, usually it's four fronts then molars then eye teeth and second molars, but anything is possible.  My 3 year old and 16mt old are still missing the second front bottom ones.  My 3 yr old has one lower eye tooth that is half way out too!

[toffer]

Well, we had a 2 hr nap and may have gone longer if grandparents hadn't shown up then. I waited for  yawn before we went into his room also and had about a 2 min WD instead of 15.

[clairebear79]

Ladies, last few days we have been doing 2 naps again.  I decided O was just looking exhausted all the time & maybe not showing tired signs b/c he was constantly OT.  Took him out in pushchair the other morning whjen I had intended to do a 1 nap day & he fell asleep unexpectedly at 9.30am for 45mins & so I did a 1.5hr PM nap & than night he still gave me 11-11.5hrs.  The next day a 1 nap day & we got 12hrs overnight - YAY!!!!  But the day afetr there was no way in the world he was going to make it past 10am & that was only 3.5hrs A time.

So for the past couple of days we've been doing a 45min nap at 10am & then a 1.5hr nap at around 1.45-2pm.  BT at 7pm & he's been waking 6.15-6.30am.  So I'm pretty pleased with that.  We're carrying on with this for a while - I think he definitely needs 3.75hrs min A time before BT so we might have to pull the AM or PM nap a touch earlier if we can.  Am hoping this will suit us for a while, at least just to help him get over the OT.  His bags are seriously improving!!!

Cyndie - when I did 30min AM nap, I went for 2.5hrs A after it, so PM nap would be 12.30.  He would then sleep 2hrs.  It sounds like J is getting a little OT with waking up at 30min or 1hr/1h 20 mark.  Maybe try pulling PM nap a little earlier.

[newmama12]

Morning mamas!

Claire, that's a fabulous schedule for 2 naps! If I could get J on a similar one, it would work well with dd's school times in a few weeks.

We're having the same 'teeth' issues as the rest of you. He's getting another top one (it's almost thru) and definitely feeling his molars since he's constantly chewing back there. Poor babes! Thank goodness Hyland's teething tablets came back on the market! They are the best and work wonders!!

I agree with all of you in that 1pm is too late for that 2nd nap if he's only doing 30 in the morning. He's, actually, been sleeping (dare I say 'good') recently. However, it's not really consistent. It's probably either teething or a growth spurt. Like, yesterday, I woke him after 50 minutes in the AM and then he did a 2 hour PM nap. Same thing the day before. And, he 'seems' to be waking a little later than his usual 5:15am recently. However, not this morning. He was up pretty early for some reason. He's also been waking around 3am for a few days now. He fusses for a few minutes and then goes back to sleep. Weird.

This morning he was MEGA fussy and rubbing his eyes constantly. Nothing was making him happy. So, I put him down at 9:20 instead of 9:30. He went right to sleep. I plan to wake him at 10, so we can keep with the PM nap times. So, we'll have to see how the day goes. We might have to keep it at 1:00 since he would have napped 40 minutes. Actually, maybe not. I'm thinking of trying 12:45. We'll have to see how his mood is around then.