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Shush pat & swaddle... help?
« on: March 12, 2008, 09:13:07 am »
We've just started EASY and LO is 7 weeks. Last night myself and DH tried to stick with Shush Pat to get him down and he was so upset. We stuck with it for about 50 mins and then gave up and just cuddled him and he was happy to sleep then. Did we do the right thing to keep trying so long? It breaks your heart to listen to those cries but we wanted to perservere. My gut was telling me it wasn't right and wasn't working though. The BW talks about associations and what not and I'm starting to wonder if this method will become associated with crying!! Also he does not like to be swaddled and as soon as we put him down and wrap him up he cries. Any suggestions on how to avoid this as it makes it so much more difficult to settle him. Thanks!

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Re: Shush pat & swaddle... help?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2008, 14:50:44 pm »
Hmmm.. just dawned on me to put the swaddle on when he's in the crib! Means we're not settling him for bed swaddled, but he's going to sleep easier for it.

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Re: Shush pat & swaddle... help?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2008, 15:35:26 pm »
Hello,
We went through the crying when we swaddled also and I think it was becuase he was associating swaddling with going to bed and shhhh pat.  What we did is we swaddled him in our bed while singing and talking to him.  We then walked around the house a little bit with him while swaddled which seemed to really calm him down so he could settle for his nap.
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Re: Shush pat & swaddle... help?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2008, 20:06:35 pm »
Hello  :)

Big ((((hugs)))) first of all.  Those early weeks with a newborn can be a bit hairy  :)

Just wanted to offer you a few thoughts to see if we can help you out a bit.

Have you started an EASY routine with your baby?  Repeating the Eat Activity Sleep cycle through out the day, I mean.  At 7 weeks your baby will probably only be able to tolerate about 1 hour A time, so will likely be following a 2.5 or 3 hour EASY routine.  This will also be affected by whether he is bottle or breast fed, as some bf babies can't last for 3 hours between feeds at this age. 

So, ideally his awake time at this age would include feeding, changing bum, burps, cuddles and wind down ready for sleep.  That's probably about all.  I would aim to have him ready for sleep/sleeping by the 1 hour mark so that he doesn't get over -tired (OT).  So maybe at about the 40 minute mark you would be taking him to his room for a nice, relaxing wind down and then into bed.  Tracy suggests that the wind down should follow the 4 S ... to read about this CLICK HERE  That will help your LO to understand that it is sleep time and over time he will anticipate this and be relaxed for sleep.

I am not sure if you are already doing this during the day, but if not it would be a good place to start.  LO's are less tired during the day and more able to deal with sleep training then than at night. Same goes for us adults! Also making sure he is not OT by bedtime will help with him going to bed at night.

I would also start to establish a good routine for bedtime to help your LO begin to understand that it is sleep time.  Most people do something similar to the nap routine, but also add in a bath or massage. You will know what your LO can handle. We didn't start a bath each night until DD was about 12 weeks as she was too stimulated by it until that age.

TBH we didn't use pat/shh so 'strictly' at bedtime, and instead concentrated our efforts on nap times and she just transferred the skill as she went along.  If you are using pat sh it is a good idea to remember the 40 min rule - you try for 40 mins and if LO is still crying then you have a break, give baby a feed and start again.  That gives you a much needed break and gives baby a feed which he will probably need as you don't want to be an hour down the line and realise baby is hungry. 

Remember that when your baby is crying it is his way of communicating with you.  So he'll be saying 'what's happening, why aren't we cuddling to sleep?' And that's ok although it is heart breaking to listen to.  He is crying when you put him down as he is probably tired already, doesn't know what is happening and why things are different. With time and consistency things will get better  :).  We always had the swaddle as part of the wind down routine, so maybe swaddle him when you have the soothing music on and the lights dim and do it this way each time.  Most babies DO begin to cry when they get swaddled but most also stop this pretty quickly.  Our DD did it every time for ages and then one day just seemed to stop.  We weaned swaddle a few weeks back but have just had to reswaddle to get thru short naps and NW's ... the swaddle calms her right away now. 

Please keep us updated on your progress and let us know if you have any questions  :-*

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Re: Shush pat & swaddle... help?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2008, 14:57:44 pm »
Sorry to butt in but I have a similar issue.
This is my 3rd child I have sleep trained and in theory I thought it would get easier but what a fool I am as it is just as hard.
She is an Angel child so in theory this should be reasonably straightforward and the first few days seemed pretty smooth but I have variable success now and I know some of it is my fault. I have two toddlers in the house and I am finding it hard to devote the time to sitting by her bed. She is a very calm child and I have tried to leave her and let her drift off which she does sometimes other times she will start crying if I go in she will settle and used to go to sleep but the last two days it has taken me longer. I am not letting her cry it out as I always go in straight away to settle her, but sometimes I have to leave to deal with toddler tantrums etc.
Can you advise me as to whether/how to use a dummy? I am confused as BW says its OK but I don't know whether it is OK to pop it in her mouth if she is upset and use it combined with shush pat or whether this will cause prop problems? She spits it out pretty quick and stays asleep. I try and only use it as a last resort but seem to be using it more.
I know she is only two weeks old and I shouldn't expect miracles but man this in confusing and hard. The time to settle seems to get longer but if I stop and feed at 45 minutes she goes to sleep, making me think she needs to/likes to suckle to go to sleep. Also when she was born she started sucking her thumb almost straight away and has found her thumb numerous times so I know when she is able she will be a thumb sucker and this issue with the dummy will probably go away as she will be able to self sooth, right?
Just another aside from this which isn't a sleep issue but I think she has reflux (silent reflux) so am not patting as don't want to aggravate the problem, laying hand on chest seems pretty effective but will it work the same, is that why the dummy helps?
I really had forgotten how hard this was and am loosing the plot pretty quickly.
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Re: Shush pat & swaddle... help?
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2008, 19:53:46 pm »
I have a similar issue!  I have a 12 week old who, in my mind has not been a good sleeper from the beginning.  He is pretty fussy and if he is not crying he is fussing!  During the day he wakes easily after 45 min and will sometimes go back to sleep with the paci...other times he gets more fussy and ends up awake.  I try not to rush in there when he fusses, hoping he can soothe himself and fall back asleep but more often than not his fussing just intensifies until he is worked up and wide awake.  I never know how soon I should go in (although I am going in to give him a paci hoping that will do the trick and basically making the paci a crutch) regardless, I don't know what else to do.

The bigger problem we have is at night.  We go through the same routine everynight, bath, story, bed and he goes down very easily but every night he wakes up 30-50 minutes into his sleep and is wide awake.  We try giving him the soother and that works for a new minutes.  Sometimes I try holding him but even that doesn't work.  He will try to fall asleep but keeps jumping awake.  He is usually calmer if I am holding him and when I am holding him it seems like he is trying to fall asleep but something inside him is not letting him.  I keep trying the shhh pat but I don't think I am doing it right.  I usually don't stay with him until he is in a deep sleep but when I do stay with him, I can see that he is trying to sleep but keeps jolting awake.  He goes to bed around 7 - 7:30 each night but then it seems like it is not until about 9 or 9:30 that he is down for good...it is very frustrating and I don't know what to do!  I want to try the "wake to sleep" method but he seems to keep waking up before I have a chance to wake him! 

We always swaddle him and that works great but for some reason I can't figure out how to use the shhh pat properly!

Any advice?

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Re: Shush pat & swaddle... help?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 06:51:11 am »
I'm both glad and sad that that I am not the only one. I went to the shops yesterday which is a half hour drive and cried all the way there! I hope I work this out soon.
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Re: Shush pat & swaddle... help?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2008, 21:43:16 pm »
Sorry Im new to all this as well...
I havent finished reading the book yet.

Do you mean you were shushing & patting for 40 mins & the babe was still crying?
Were you holding him?

What was different between shush/pat & 'cuddle'?

Im just trying to learn here, no real advice. Im trying to break my rocking to sleep habit.