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Where do I start? So exhusted....
« on: September 26, 2007, 01:27:17 am »
Hi all,

My 14.5month old daughter is making life a little difficult for us at the moment (it's been going on for 6months!) :-[.  We are so exhausted that we just don't know where to start.

I've fed her to sleep from day one (I know ... I know  :() and now this is the only way she knows how.  She wakes 3+ times a night and RARELY goes back to sleep within an HOUR  ::)  Sometimes she is awake for 2hours during the night before finally falling asleep on the breast.

She usually starts the day at 5.30am and we have recently moved her to one sleep per day, that being at 11am for 1.5/2hours (if we are lucky.. sometimes only 50min).

Then off to bed again at 7pm (she is exhausted by then).

I'm also 6months pregnant with no. 2 and hoping to wean my daughter soon, but just don't know where to start...  do I wean first or try and install new sleeping habits first? or do both at once??  I'm just so confused.

Please, any advice would be wonderful.


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Re: Where do I start? So exhusted....
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 02:05:48 am »
Wow you must be exhausted and welcome to the boards. I am not sure what you should work on first but somebody here will. Could you post your routine? I think I would probably work on sleep training and independent sleep first. But that is me. I used to bf to sleep too but my lo was 4 months when we started bw. I am sure there is a way to work this out and make life easier when your next one arrives. Could you post your routine?
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Re: Where do I start? So exhusted....
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2007, 03:35:41 am »
Thanks for the reply!

It's so hard to stick to a routine with her while she is sleeping all over the place but here is what we try really hard to stick to:

5am-5:30am Awake WILL NOT GO BACK TO SLEEP
5.30am Breastfeed
6.30am Piece of toast - not very interested- although if she has slept well she will eat really well
8am off to the park/shops etc
9am Morning tea (fruit/crackers)
9.30am Play/playgroup
10.30 wind down/pack up toys
11am breastfeed to sleep (very tired, asleep in 10min)
12.30-1pm Awake (usually happy)
1pm lunch (sandwich/fruit/pasta)
2pm park/library/play with friends
3.30 home -breastfeed (DEMANDS this one and is REALLY miserable without) -have tried to offer  snacks now instead but won't have a bar of it?!
5pm Dinner Pasta/chicken/fish/red meat/vegetables
6pm bathtime
6.30 quiet play/stories
7pm breastfeed -bed -usually asleep in 20min

NOW THE RUN BEGINS!!!
Usually wakes 1am (sometimes for 2hours - is WIDE AWAKE and happy) wakes again at 4am for another breastfeed (trying to get herself back to sleep-very tired) ends up in our bed as I'm so exhausted
5am-5.30 Awake for the day

I've had a few people suggest feeding her more during the day (food- not BF) but I physically can't- she eats a huge volume of food already!  :-\

Any suggestions??



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Re: Where do I start? So exhusted....
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2007, 07:31:39 am »
anyone?  :-[

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Re: Where do I start? So exhusted....
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2007, 07:45:09 am »
Hi I can't help with your feeding issues but I will say my DD had those wide awake happy in the middle of the night episodes and they are due to overtiredness and so are those early morning wakes. We resolved it by bringing bedtime forward, sometimes if she was tired I would put her to bed as early as 4.30pm and she would sleep through until 6.30am!! Our rule now is that our DD never goes to bed more than 12 hours after she got up. The OT accumalated over months so it did not fix overnight but after a week or two of early bedtimes. I greatly recommend the book "Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child" not for the sleep training as the BW methods are much kinder and respectful for a LO but just to understand the importance and science of sleep, it really helped me look at my DD's sleep as a priority and explains in detail how important it is we give them good sleep habits for the whole of their life.

Good luck, it will take some hard work but will be so worth it and you will be able to BW no2 from the start  :)
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Re: Where do I start? So exhusted....
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2007, 12:59:56 pm »
Here is a link to a interview with Tracy. If you look on the FAQ on the toddler sleep and prop boards you may find some more info. I really think you should start with the sleep training because she can't fall asleep and stay asleep with out nursing. Once you change that habit weaning will be easier. We can help you sleep train. I just redid it with my lo cause he had some separation anxiety and wouldn't let me leave the room.  It is hard and there are tears but it does work. Read through and let us know when you want to start and we will be here to help. HTH
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Re: Where do I start? So exhausted....
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2007, 19:16:56 pm »
Holy cow, you must be dead on your feet! I'm 6 months pregnant as well. Where on earth to start!??

I can't offer experienced help with the feeding issues... but gut feeling (although this is me, not you, you must do what feels right to you) is to get her onto bottles. You need to give your second baby and your body a chance to be ready for what the next few months will bring!

 I started getting him onto bottles at about 7 months and we had a week of screaming fits but with gentle persistance we got there and now he loves his bottles. I started with cutting day BF and just BF him before bed (but never let him fall asleep before he was in bed). I gave him a bottle of expressed milk in the day at 9 and another at 3. When he was happy with bottles in the day (3 weeks I think it was), I happened to go away for the weekend (he was 9 months) I expressed to keep supply up, but found I was only expressing 60ml...since he had been taking a bottle whilst I was away, we just carried on with bottles when I got back. We moved over to formular at some point! You feel rotten when you're doing it, but, with anything, it takes dogged determination and a knowledge that the more rigidly you stick with it, the better, and quicker, the results.

As for the sleeping, I have just gone through 2 weeks (nothing compared to your 6 months!) of screaming (him not me!!) but I truly recommend the Gradual Withdrawal method ... I think there is a step before actually leaving the room, where you sleep on the floor in LO room for 3 nights next to the bed then gradually move your mattress away from LO bed over a few nights/ weeks (depending on LO) - as far as I understand it, you go to bed when they go to bed and stay with them the whole night. This would also give your pregnant body time to recover and prepare for #2!  When your LO is happy going to sleep with you in  the room, you then sit with him until he's asleep or very calm and take a step away from the cot every few minutes until you are eventually able to leave the room (this can take an hour or more in the beginning). It took a few days before DS didn't scream as soon as I left the room - when he did, I would wait a few moments and go right back in and start again, withdrawing really slowly ( a step every 5 mins, if he screamed I would either shh or just breathe deeply so he could hear I was there - I tried very hard not to talk to him). I was never sure if he was asleep before I left or not but eventually I was able to leave, he would cry for a couple of moments then go to sleep. Now I put him in his bed, kiss his bears (and feet tonight for some reason!!), give him a kiss, tell him I'll see him in the  morning/ after his nap and that I'm going to turn the light out, then I leave (telling him I was going to turn the light out seemed to stop some of the screaming - gave him warning) . If he cries I leave him for about a minute then go in, put him back down (he's usually standing at the end of the bed!), tell him it's time to sleep, stand next to the door for a few moments then leave. I don't stand next to the bed anymore unless he really needs to the whole GW routine again (which hasn't been for a week now).
My LO was sleep trained when he was 4 months and hasn't had any major sleep problems, but I would imagine this process, done very slowly and gently would work for anyone. I am amazed by the results - he has been sleeping until 9am for the last 3 days and has 3 hours over 2 naps...it's crazy and wonderful...a little bewildering but I'm enjoying it.

I can't emphasis enough HOW important it is to stick with it - even when you don't think there's ever going to be an end, there is. It works - like manure, it's stinky and fairly unpleasant but it creates something incredible in the end! What an odd simile!!

Good luck...whatever option you chose, stick with it, modify bits of it until you feel that what you're doing will work (I started out with walk in walk out - which didn't work at all for us, but this was after a week of letting him cry it out and controlled crying - both horrendous methods in my opinion!)

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Re: Where do I start? So exhusted....
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 00:20:12 am »
HI there. You got some great advise already. I also can't help with weaning & I would encourage you to post in the breastfeeding forum for ideas.

I just wanted to give you another link to have a look at https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63896.0 Teaching indep sleep in toddlers.

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I can't emphasis enough HOW important it is to stick with it - even when you don't think there's ever going to be an end, there is. It works - like manure, it's stinky and fairly unpleasant but it creates something incredible in the end! What an odd simile!!
I just want to 2nd that!!! Whatever you do you really need to stick with it for at least 2 weeks to see if things are improving & before you move onto another method. Your child will pick up on your consistency. There will be tears & you might feel like it will NEVER work out but it will. Just stick with it!!!

Also I wanted to comment on the routine. I think you need to bring bedtime forward to 6.30pm (to be in cot by & hopefully asleep). The av amount that they stay up at that age is 5hrs... so try to have in bed earlier.

Good luck & let me you if you have any questions before you start
Its hard work but very worth it in the end!!!
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Re: Where do I start? So exhusted....
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 09:18:30 am »
I agree will all the pp.  Your lo is using you to fall asleep and not self soothing and calming herself when she wakes, therefore you are up every time she wakes.  I do think the weaning will be a good idea......

GW and wi/wo really works and as said in pp you need to give it time, don't give up if it doesn't work in a day or two.  It took me 3 weeks of training before we had no tears when I left.  Just choose a method and stick to it.  Good luck.. :) :)
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