any success shifting a toddlers day forward?

[debo620]

how did you do it?

our current routine:
wake 6:15/6:30
nap 11:45/12 for 1.5-2hrs
bed at 7pm if he slept two hours, earlier if the nap was shorter.
asleep by 7:30 at the latest.

when he was younger his nap was always at 12 regardless of wake-up, this is no longer working.
seems like if I have him down 5.25hrs after waking, he'll nap longer (closer to 2hrs)
but like today that meant
nap at 11:30....

so whats better?
delay nap by 1hr----he'll be exhausted and hopefully sleep well, delaying it by 15min here or there leads to a shorter nap.
or do I delay bedtime? if he has had a good nap?

I was going to try for gradual but because things vary day to day by 30min or so, seems as though we are going back and forth rather then forward.

Thanks

[KathrynK]

hey deb
Sophie now wakes at 7am each day rather than 6 as before- a nasty bout of flu has done the trick for us! For 2 weeks she has been napping for 1hr 30 and sleeping 12- 12.5hrs at night! The flu sucks but boy am I grateful for that longer night sleep! Although she is getting better now and I think it won't last.. (also I am not recommending this as a solution for you, you understand!  )
hope you get sorted, keeping fingers crossed xxxx

[debo620]

ooh! hope Sophie is feeling better---I'm sure those 12hr nighs have helped!

we are in trouble! so all advancing of the routine is on hold anyhow, although I'll take some advice if anyone else is reading....

[M and N's Mom]

we are in trouble! so all advancing of the routine is on hold anyhow, although I'll take some advice if anyone else is reading....

I hope it is nothing serious Deb! 

I'm not sure if this would work as I think you said there was NO way you could get Noah to take 2 naps, but...if he had a very short catnap at 11:00/11:30, could you get him to take another nap later in the day, delaying bedtime a bit?  If you did this a few days in a row maybe he'd start to sleep a bit later in the morning.

Not sure whether it will work or not, but this is my plan for when we change the clocks.

Sari

[*Natasha*]

i shifted my DD day forward when daylight savings started hehe.

[debo620]

oh Natasha, I tried that in the spring when the clocks moved forward but it never lasted and now they are moving back! soon our 6:30wake will bedcome 5:30----which is why I need to shift!
Sari, we have had a rough 4 or 5days. not enough sleep overall. thats the only reason we are in trouble!

we had an awful night wed night, and he was awake from 2:30-5am, and then slept til 7:30----but having fallen asleep 7:30 the night before---that was less then 10hrs.
then yesterdays nap, I offeed at noon--hopeing he would sleep 2hrs, but I'm not sure what happened, quiet and then started crying at 12:30--wi/wo til 12:45---and he slept til 2:15.
I thought early to bed---so he was asleep by 6:45---and woke at 5:30 today!

- have already had one meltdown this morning at the breakfast table, with a full on tantrum----this has started the last few days---I think not enough sleep.

I'm not sure if the catnap thing will work, I'll find out today!