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Hello....please help. Has anyone ever have any advice to give me as to how to get my 4 mo old to transition to Nutramigen. He has been breastfed for the past 4 months but my milk supply is very low and he has actually lost weight since his 3 mo check. He will take milk based or soy formulas easily but is not taking to either Nutramigen or Alimentum well. I am worried about his weight so any advice would be well taken. I just tried to mix it with the regular formula but he just played with the nipple making faces.

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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 17:21:17 pm »
How much regular formula did you mix it with? When we were weaning my son to neocate at 11 months we had to take it slowly. We started by mixing 1 oz of neocate with 7 oz of regular formula. We slowly increased the neocate until we were on just neocate.

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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 17:21:59 pm »
hi :).the only way i could get my 2 lo`s to take this kind of formula was to feed them when they were asleep tbh.i dont know about the 2 formulas you are using but i know the pepti junior we use is the most horrid smelling and tasting thing i have come across.it will take time for your lo to get used to the taste so i would persevere though.good luck.
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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 17:26:18 pm »
With Henry, he was 3.5 months when we went cold turkey from breast milk to Nutramigen. By this time though he had been on bottles with expressed BM for 10 weeks, so we did not have to contend with bottle problems.

I would go half and half - if you are able to express enough!! And just wean that way. It is tough, because I found the weeks I stressed, my supply dipped ALOT as well. Also, do try to continue excluding milk from your diet until he is 100% on the formula.

HUGS and GOOD LUCK!! :)
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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2008, 01:32:39 am »
Thank you everyone!

Luckily my LO will take from a bottle. I will go slowly. I didn't have BM expressed today and the NP told me that I could use the Prosobee and go 1/2 and 1/2 or start even slower (with 1oz Nutramigen to 5 or so ounces of Prosobee)....I tried the 1/2 and 1/2 and no go. So I will go even slower and work on pumping tonite.

:)Wish me luck and thanks again.

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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2008, 03:04:09 am »
Why is he having to go on Nutramigen/Alimentum in the first place?  Do they think he has an allergy or intolerance to milk/soy? 

If anyway at possible you could pump, then I would and do a slow transition.  Like the PP said though, If you do pump I would not do any dairy or soy products.  There is a lot of info here about MSPI diets and the ingredients to avoid.

Also what bottles are you using and stage nipple?  This could be playing a factor. 

You could also try the Ready to Feed Alimentum or Nutramigen, which ever you are using.  They don't smell nearly as bad.  The Alimentum seems thicker also, good for reflux babies.

I hope this helps and good luck.
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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2008, 13:33:59 pm »
Thank you Wendy....I will try the RTF kind....I had to switch him to either Nutramigen/Alimentum mainly because of the stomach pains he was having, really bad gas pains, crying a lot during the day and much of the night. Now I think he has been hungry since his weight check was lower than the last one....it was so distressing, I just cried in the office. She is not so sure he has a milk/soy intolerance but wanted to see if the Nutramigen would help the gas he's having. It's all so confusing to really know!!!!

What signs are the main signs if your baby has a MSI?? He has no diarrhea, occasional vomiting (they think he has silent reflux), no rash or ezcema...so I'm not sure.


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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2008, 00:04:31 am »
Hi there.  Well lets see my first son now 2 1/2 screamed and cried all day and night pretty much from day one.  At 6 weeks they told us to try Nutramigen and he was like a new kid.  He still did have silent reflux though.
When he became 1 years old we tried milk and well that is another story.  He ended up on Rice milk for a while.

Even if your little is not MSPI, the milk or soy protein could be causing his reflux. 

My new baby, now 6 months was the same as yours.  He cried and grunted and strained was just so uncomfortable.  He had so much gas.  we ended having to go on an Amino Acid based formula.  Now we are on RTF Alimentum.  We did try a regular milk based formula and according to his "poop" he seemed fine, but he was still really fussy and seemed like his reflux was worst. 

The signs of MSPI are constipation, diaherra, mucus in poop, etc.  But reflux can also be a sign.  The reflux can be caused by the milk/soy protein intolerance.

You are deft. headed in the right direction. 

Which RTF are you going to try?  They are more expensive, but so worth it. 

The main difference in the Ready to Feed Nutramigen and Alimentum are:

Nutramigen: The carbohydrate is corn syrup solilds and the oils are different.

Alimentum:  The carbohydrate is sucrose (which is table sugar) and different oils are used.  Also the Alimentum has  medium chain triglycerides.
MCTs passively diffuse from the GI tract to the portal system (longer fatty acids are absorbed into the lymphatic system) without requirement for modification like long chain fatty acids or very long chain fatty acids do. In addition MCTs do not require bile salts for digestion. Patients who have malnutrition or malabsorption syndromes are treated with MCTs because they do not require energy for absorption, utilization, or storage. Rich sources of MCTs include coconut oil and palm kernel oils and are also found in camphor tree drupes. The fatty acids found in MCTs are called medium chain fatty a

Also Alimentum is the only corn free formula.

Now if you do try the RTF Alimentum and for some reason he starts to have diaherra or more gas, then I go to Nutramigen RTF:
The only reason I say that about the Alimentum is because of the sucrose in the RTF.  My son had more gas with the Alimentum when he was just a few weeks old, but now at 6 months handles this formula great!

Sucrose intolerance, also called Congenital Sucrase-Isomaltase Deficiency (CSID) or Sucrase-isomaltase deficiency , is the condition in which sucrase, an enzyme needed for proper metabolization of sucrose, is not produced in the small intestine. The result of consuming sucrose is excess gas production and often diarrhea and malabsorption.

I did not mean to confuse you in anyway, I just wanted you to have all the information I am familiar with. 

Good Luck and please let us know how he takes to the RTF.

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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2008, 01:09:05 am »
Hi Wendy,

I totally do appreciate all the knowledge I can get. My head is spinning today with one large headache...I did not try the RTF yet but I will tonite. My doctor's office gave me the RTF Nutramigen sample so I'll try that. Today he went on a big strike, I'm thinking b/c I tried the Nutramigen and Alimentum yesterday (or was it the day before ;)- it's getting blurry) I even pumped 5 oz and added just 1 oz of Nutramigen to it. He finally took that yesterday but has been striking today. Cries and cries when I nurse or give a bottle. It's so upsetting. I was to the point that even if he took anything at all, I'd be happy (until the gas monster at 2am).....it's funny but the gas mainly starts at 2am each morning for an hour or two. Why is that I wonder?? I tried nursing today, the old Prosobee formula mixed with the small amt of Nutramigen, the Prosobee by itself.....I even thought of trying the Good Start formula since I heard it is sweeter although I know nothing about it and it's milk based. But thanks to you I will try the RTF. Should I try it with just an ounce or so mixed with maybe BM?? I'm so tired, sorry if I repeat myself.

Thanks again!!! You've certainly had your hands full! Ryan's weight check is in 2 days. They will be sending him to the GI if it stays low or dips lower.

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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2008, 03:24:23 am »
Is he on meds for reflux? 

The gas at 2:00a:m, the same thing happened to us.  He was gassy all day, but at night it was the worse.  He would not sleep at all and grunted and grunted to get the gas out.  Gosh, it was really bad. 

I do know gas and reflux all can go hand and hand.  If you do have to go to a GI doctor, make sure YOUR doctor calls and gets you in sooner.  If not, more than likely you will be on a waiting list for months.

Good Start formula works for a lot of little ones.  Here is what I know about it:  The protein is 100% whey protein.  Other milk based formulas are whey and casein.  Whey protein is supposed to be much easier digested.  Also Good Start breaks down the proteins into smaller pieces to digest easier.
Personally I did not have luck with either of my child.

Have you tried Enfamil Gentlease??  It comes only in a powder.  It is milk based, but the proteins are partially broken down and only has 1/4% of lactose.  It is designed for gassy/fussy babies.

Personally if it was me and he is still refusing the RTF Nutramigen, then I would try Enfamil Gentlease.  Tyler was on an Amino Acid formula and then we were able to go right to  Enfamil Gentlease.  I have switched him Alimentum RTF though, just because his reflux was getting worse and he was fussy.  I will have to say he was less gassier with the Gentlease though, but seems less fussier now.

I know it is hard and confusing.  I never knew any of this before my first child was born.  I just thought you had a baby, breastfeed or formula feed regular formula, they eat, sleep, poop and that was it.  NOPE....


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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2008, 17:15:55 pm »
Can I jump in and ask which of those formulas can be used for a baby with both milk and soy allergies?? My friend is looking for a formula that will work...

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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2008, 17:36:42 pm »
Thanks Wendy,

I feel addicted to checking this website for help and it is a relief to have support from someone who understands..... I just set up my GI appt.  Hopefully I can figure out something on my own before then. Ryan is on Prilosec....he's been on it for over a month. Not sure if it is actually reflux. I was reading another post and read about dysphagia. We'll see. Maybe he's just a gassy baby and doesn't like to eat very much. I'm hoping for a good weight tomorrow. He did take the Good Start 4 oz this morning without trouble and nursed during the night with no problem. If he's not ready though (at times when I'm imagining he would be starving), he sputters, cries, turns his head. I really want to try the RTF Nutramigen but I'm afraid he'll go on strike again for a day if he doesn't like it and then won't take anything....I also wonder if he nurses a lot during the night, he may hold out during the day (although he won't nurse great during the day either).

Weird thing....remember I mentioned that my LO is gassy really badly every am?? Well, at 2am, he woke up (he'd been waking hourly but didn't always want to eat)...I laid him in bed with me (I could barely close my eyes though) and he slept peacefully til I woke him at 7:30am when I got up. Not a stir, not a gas pain, nothing.....it's not the first time either.

Weight check tomorrow! Thanks again.

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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2008, 17:40:21 pm »
Hi Taygensmom, I'll let Wendy or someone else answer you but I believe both are ok if I am right. They are both for hypoallergenic. Wendy and the other moderators have a lot more answers though.

Wendy, one more thing, I did try Gentlease but didn't give it much of a go. I had given 3 bottles of it one day and he was really gassy but it could have been a fluke. So I then had switched to soy. If GS isn't working, I'll try it again before really pushing the switch to Nutramigen/Alimentum.

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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2008, 19:32:00 pm »
It depends how sensitive her lo is. Some children do fine with hydrolysed formulas like nutramigen and alimentum wherethe milk protein is extensively broken down. Some children still react to these and need an amino acid based formula like neocate or elecare. My son can't tolerate the hydrolysed formulas but does great with neocate.

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Re: How to get my 16 week old to transition to Nutramigen or Alimentum
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2008, 19:33:46 pm »
I forgot to mention that all these formulas smell and taste terrible so you tend to have to wean them onto these formulas.

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