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Split from other post - we're in a bit of a mess!
« on: May 14, 2008, 08:00:27 am »
Hi all.....

Quick summary - I've split this from another post. Our 4 1/2 month lo is a bit all over the place after a recent GS........now we have nw's for feeds (2 last night), back to short naps (30 mins, 45 mins, max an hour for last 3 days), and generally quite unhappy and tearful. He has also become v.hard to put down for sleeps - naps involve at least 15 mins of crying, and last 2 nights we've had 45 mins of crying before bedtime. (Plus I have to keep dp from wanting to CIO!)

Last few days routine Paula....(assume A between E's and S, all daytime feeds 10 min  single side BF unless says otherwise , night time and DF are formula)

Day 1
06.45   E     
08.00   S    put down early as going to Baby Massage
09.00   A    settled at 45 mins, woke at 60 mins

09.30   E   
11.30   S
12.15   A    woke at 45 min, wouldn't resettle

12.30   E    15 min each breast
A time was trip to docs for last jabs  :'(. Gets over it quickly and no adverse reactions on previous jabs
14.30   S   
15.15   A    woke at 30 mins and 45 mins and wouldn't resettle, went out for a walk to see if would nap - stayed awake

16.00   E    15 min each breast
17.00   A    bath and bedtime routine
17.30   E    10 min each breast
18.00   Bedtime - cried for ages, tried white noise and dummy, eventually decided he was still hungry
18.30   E    took 100 ml formula
19.00   S    finally!
22.00   E    only 75 ml formula

Day 2
01.30  E     75 ml formula
06.00  E     woke at 05.45, tried to settle. Fed at 6, fell asleep together til 07.30 (lie down BF!)
07.30  A     offered top up - up for the day
09.00  S     10 min cry to go to sleep
10.00  A     jolted at 30 mins, settled, woke crying at 10
10.30  E     
12.00  S    10 min cry to sleep again
13.00  A    woke crying again at 14.00 - no jolts, just literally started crying in his sleep then woke for 45 min crying session
13.45  E     
14.30  S    Out for a walk in buggy with Dad so Mum can sleep :). Slept for 45 minutes in total, quiet A time still in buggy at home til bathtime
17.00        Bath and bedtime routine - v.happy
17.30  E    10 min both breasts
17.45        tried to put down - cried as soon as put down in cot. 45 min crying session

re crying - we tried all the usual things, offered more food, dummy etc. Eventually I put him in his cot for a break (still crying) and he grabbed his bunny and passed out in seconds. So at some point he wanted to be put down I guess, but we missed it.

22.15  DF   150 ml formula   

Today so far....
01.00         resettled
03.00  E     100 ml formula
05.00  E     10 min BF
06.45         woke up - Mum tired and can't believe he's hungry so turned on his mobile for him to play
07.15  E     got him up and offered top up so our day doesn't go anymore bonkers than they already are!
07.30         he started looking tired, so decided to try putting him down earlier - popped him in his cot at 07.40 - he wriggle and giggled alot, and kept flipping on his back, but weent off to sleep without crying for the first time in days!

If you look at my post in the Breastfeeding forum, you'll see that I think he's not eating enough in the day, but he's not hungry and as our routine is all over the place from short naps, I just can't seem to get the extra feed in to see if that stops the night feeds.

Other info - he has been rolling back to front for a few weeks no, and I'm convinced he's trying to roll back to front - he spends all his time arching his back, throwing his head back and kind of wriggling round.

He's also dribbling ALOT, but no other signs of teething that I can see.

Have just looked at the clock and realised that this post has taken me an hour to type (since I put him down for his 1st nap) and so far not a squeek! I'm sure that OT is causing alot of our problems, but other issue is he's tired signs seem to have stopped/changed alot recently - maybe I should put him down by the clock? Plus I never know whether to go in and try and extend the naps - most of the time recetnly I seem to make it worse........we had kind of solved the 45 minute thing by putting flipping him on his front, but now that's how he likes to go to sleep in the first place, so we can't do it to settle him IYKWIM as he's already on his front.

Anyway, last 2 days have been an emotional, OT, hot (the UK is having a mini heatwave) frustrating mess. He has been really grissly even when awake, which isn't like him, and often does this grating, whingeing cry which goes right through my head like a jackhammer - I'd rather have full on crying tbh.  I have 2 dogs, and they get shut outside if they whine! And then I hate myself for even thinking that!

So as always, longest post ever, but I don't know where to start to get back on track, and I'm so tired that I can't muster the energy to come up with a plan :(
 

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Re: Split from other post - we're in a bit of a mess!
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2008, 15:17:35 pm »
Hmmm, well the last bit of good news on teh day e the long nap was a false start - he did sleep for a record 2 hrs 30, but since then the day had gone to ratpoo and our lack of routine is worse than ever.


Today (cont)
06.45         woke up - Mum tired and can't believe he's hungry so turned on his mobile for him to play
07.15  E     got him up and offered top up so our day doesn't go anymore bonkers than they already are!
07.30         he started looking tired, so decided to try putting him down earlier - popped him in his cot at 07.40 - he wriggle and giggled alot, and kept flipping on his back, but weent off to sleep without crying for the first time in days! Was sleep by 07.55 and slept til 10.30

10.30  E     
11.00  A     Out for a walk to meet ante-natal group in the park
12.00  A     started getting grisly, so put him in his buggy and walked around - cried until 12.30 - went back and rejoined the girls and fed him
12.30  E     10 min BF
12.45         got really grisly again sitting in my lap - put him on the mat on the ground where he smiled and kicked and played until he got grisly again at 1
13.00         back in buggy to walk home - cried for 15 minutes til I called dh to come and get us so we could get home quick to try for a nap in his cot
13.15         put down in his cot - happy and smiling like this morning, white noise and went off to sleep on his own, happy
14.15         woke up - a little cry, then v.happy - smiling and kicking
14.30         offered another feed - not interested
14.45         after a play on his playmat in the lunge he started doing HUGE tired signs - yawning and rubbing his eyes - tried for a nap - cried
15.00         back up for quiet play on Mummys lap - same - eye rubing and yawning so tried longer wind down - put in sleepbag and read a story upstairs.
15.15         offered a feed - seemed hungry -latched on and sucked furiously but kept popping off and screaming - arching his back and looking to suckle his muslin. If I tried to push him back to my breast he cried more. Then would latch on again and repeat the pattern. OFfered him a bottle - no different
15.30         tried to put down for another nap - its now 15.53 and dh is up there with the white noise on full blast (and its not just a baby white noise machine, its an iPod attached to a SERIOUS set of speakers! and I can hear screaming on and off still.

Sorry this is so boring and detailed, but we've lost any routine at all, I have no idea if he is hungry, tired, in pain or what's going on.

Other things I've noticed:

When he's awake he's really really active - wriggling and kicking and flapping his arms and yelling (not just babbling - full on yelling, but he's happy cos next second he smiles). And more and more convinced he's trying to roll back to front.

Lots of dribbling - nd if we put our fingers in his mout he does try to chew on them. But he's not interested in any teethers (I put some in the fridge and offered him thoses - but he's only a wee boy, adn they all seem too big to me - any suggestions?)

Other thoughts:

I can't tank him up during the day if he's just not interested in food
Have we unswaddled him too early? It would feel like a massive backward step, but maybe we should put him back in it?
Do they go through a physical development at this stage - his legs seems to kick and kick and when he's crying or uhnappy he thrashes them around and they seem to twitch.

So.....now 16.15 and he's finally out - dp came down and suggested CIO again - I declined politely (we've agreed not to row about it) and went up - I put him on his back for a few seconds to make him realise I was there, then turned him on his side and held him like a swaddle - thats when I noticed his legs twitching. I held him like that for about 10 minutes and he's finally dropped off - for how long who knows......

More ramblings of a mad woman, but helps to write it all down.....




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Re: Split from other post - we're in a bit of a mess!
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2008, 15:29:09 pm »
babymunky HUGE HUGS - i know EXACTLY how awful this is.

Im in a bit of a hurry cooking tea for the kids but just to let you know on the end of my thread i have written down anything i can think of that might help which helped me.

When i was in your position and the routine had GONE and the naps were RUBBISH nights were getting bad etc was when I drew the line and thought well this way obviously isn't working and put in more of a scheduled way of doing things - not saying it will work for everyone but because it worked so well for me wondered if you would consider it?
« Last Edit: May 14, 2008, 15:31:10 pm by MathildasMum »


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Re: Split from other post - we're in a bit of a mess!
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2008, 16:15:30 pm »
Definately would consider more of a "structured" routine - I really want to do what is best for him, but there is a balance, and I've realised that its actually me too that likes to know what happens when, and in what order. It's obviously human nature, and one of the things that gets me down as you've pointed to is the constant rejiggin of the day because things have gone wrong.

BUT, equally, I am adamant not to force it on him. I totally agree that if you can (as I think I remember advising you!) get 1 of the elements of the day fixed and in place, you can get the others to hang roudn it for now and then eventually drop into place.

Harris is now up from the last nap attempt - last all of 20 mins. He seems happy, not showing tired signs anymore, but its a long time til bedtime, even if I put him down early, and have no idea when to offer him his next feed!

I have been trying to go with the flow and offer him more feeds daytime, but he's just not interested, and if hes had 1/2 a snack, then he's even less interested when it comes to what would have been feed time. So I don't think that's working for us. I'm convinced if I don't feed him at night, he will be hungrier during the day and then we could break the cycle, I'm just not sure I can face the nights I would have to go through to get to that right now.......

When you settled Mathilda after you decided not to feed her, did she cry much? I've tried a few times, and at the moment the general rule of thumb is 1 quick settle and if he wakes again within 30 minutes I feed him. 50/50 - some he just goes back to sleep for another few hours.

Also, what do you do if she wakes before 7?

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 20:11:39 pm »
Touch wood she rarely wakes before 7 now, if its 6am or after I consider that the start of the day but keep it vv v v v dark and quiet and still dont feed until 7 (she is happy to wait)

When I stopped the nightfeeds, thankfully it was ok, on the first night I offered water, then picked up her up and comforted her and put her back down and did my leave the room go back in routine. This only took 2 nights.

How has today been>


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Re: Split from other post - we're in a bit of a mess!
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2008, 19:43:44 pm »
Back for an update! We're a bit happier and calmer now, thanks to Grandma!

Harris went to Grandmas for the day on Thursday, and was bottle fed for the afternoon and bedtime feeds - he took 200ml, and 23 ml, and then still took 200 ml for his DF. And slept til 5 am! And that's continued since. (5.30 and 5.40 - heading in the right direction!)  Phewwww!!!!!!!!!!! Mum also said he was clam and happy all day despite only short naps (not fair to expect Grandma to battle that one!).

So.......I think this has reinforced my view that he's just not getting enough food during the day. Plus I am prepared to admit that I was stressed and tired and more than likely adding to the general problems of fussiness etc. Plus it was cooler, so maybe that helped too.

So we now have a new routine - for now.

E   5 am ish       BF - let him have as much as he wants, put straight back down
E   6.30/ 7ish     BF - top up to reset the day
A   7                Quiet play on the bed upstairs
S   8 - 8.15       Goes back down easy as I've really cut back this A time from 2 hours
E   10               BF
A
S   11.30 - 12   
E   1.30 - 2       BF
A   
S   Catnap if we can - normally plan to go out so he sleeps in the car or for a walk and in the buggy
E   5.30            BF
A                    Bath & Bedtime routine
E   18.45          Bottle top up
S   19.00

Still having problems with my supply by the end of the day - he is taking 1 side for the 1st two feeds, but most days by the 10 am feed he needs both, then has both at 2 and at 5.30, so then offer a bottle, and he's taking a full feed (150 - 200 ml), and then still taking a full DF (200ml).

But, was thinking tonight that if that keeps him sleeping through, and means that we slowly wean off BF to formula, I am thinking about gradually stopping BF. Need to think about it for a bit and make sure I am sure IFKWIM.

Also still having short nap problems - last 2 days were great, but today we only managed to extend his 1st one. But now I@m less tired, I feel I might have more energy to put into fixing that!

Enough mad amblings of a tired brain! I'm off for a well earned G&T.........

H