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Having a nervous breakdown...
« on: June 28, 2008, 17:41:45 pm »
Hi, I'd like to preface with the fact that this is probably all my fault, but if anyone can help me fix it...  See, I'm an insanely NERVOUS mother.  People say all mothers are nervous, but there's seriously something wrong with me.  I take the word to a whole new level.

So I have a 3 year old who was on EASY since he was about 2 months old.  He's an amazing sleeper and an amazing kid, and everyone has always applauded how great his schedule/routine works, etc.  So I thought when number 2 came, it would be a piece of cake.

NOW I REMEMBER!!!! This is HELL!!!  I blocked it out somehow, but now I remember!  And it's worse, because I have a spirited 3 year old who WILL NOT behave and actually uses my nervous "Shh, he needs to sleep now," as AMMO against me!!! 

So, my little baby is 9 weeks old.  His nighttime sleep starts with a nice wind-down time with daddy (which we are losing MONDAY as Daddy begins busy work season), then a bath, then a feed, and then he goes to bed for the night around 8:05.  He wakes at 2 and 5ish.  He wakes between 6 and 8 for the day.  Because of my 3 year old, I haven't managed to fix early wakings.

NAPS ARE A NIGHTMARE!!!  I try to get him in before he's OT, but it's IMPOSSIBLE with my older ds.  So I am left with an OT, OS baby.  He may fall asleep in my arms or for 10-20 min, but it doesn't last.  I shh and pat for as long as I can believe my 3YO is safe, but after 20-30 minutes I give up and we go downstairs.  Sometimes I'll try the swing or bouncy seat, or I'll hold him, but this is screwing up everything, including his night sleep.  I am sleep deprived and losing my mind and myself.  There is no "Y" time.  All it is is "C" time--CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY!!!


Baby's feeds are good--3 hours apart, and then cluster feeds starting at 4: 4, 6, and 7:45.  And I have no idea how to work wind-down into naptimes, because my 3 year old is not a very nice boy and is not interested in being a helper or in being occupied in the next room. 

P.S.--And I hate my in-laws, but that's another post and another board.
Mary Pat





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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2008, 17:45:25 pm »
Just another note...I also swaddle the heck out of the poor babe.  I have the Swaddle Halo Sleep Sack and I swaddle his legs with a receiving blanket.  I don't know what I'll do when he outgrows the Swaddle Sack, because there is no receiving blanket strong enough for his crazy flailing arms.
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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2008, 18:04:35 pm »
Oh, Joey's Mom, many, many {{{{{{hugs}}}}}} to you!  I don't have any answers at all because I am a first time Mom. 

Can you take a little break?  Even just 10 min to yourself?  Cry as hard as you want, it always makes me feel better.  Do you have a friend or neighbor that can come over to talk with you?  Could you send your toddler out on a playdate once a week?  Trying to get some ideas. 

Your toddler is a nice boy, you said it yourself that he is an amazing kid.  Maybe he just needs some extra time to get used to the new addition?  Guess he just wants Mommy's attention all to himself. 

Someone will be along to give you some advice.   :-*

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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2008, 18:27:41 pm »
OK, Joey's Mom, first I just want to say, I've BTDT, and know the hell you're talking about, so you have all my hugs and support during this time.  It's rough.  Your toddler's life has been turned upside down by this new baby, and it takes time for your family of 3 to get used to being a family of 4.  My DD2 had reflux from birth on, and needed to be carried by me only 24/7, so our life was very rough at first.  Most nights I got a grand total of 3 hours of broken sleep, and I was a wreck.  My concern for you is the level of anxiety you're feeling.  I was approached by my doctor about PPD, but I didn't believe I was suffering from it and once my LO's reflux was a bit better and we were getting more sleep I returned to my former, non-weepy self very quickly.  I also never scored very high on the Edinburgh PPD screen.  How do you feel about that?  Is this anxiety you're feeling out of character?  Have you done the PPD screen?  I'm not saying you have it, I just want to make sure that if you do, that you pursue the support that will make your life with your LOs much more enjoyable. 

That being said, I know I have a Mother Bear somewhere in me that wants to rip apart anyone who disturbs my LOs naps, and I felt like I was walking a tightrope every time I was putting one of them down. You do what you have to to cope, for us this meant more TV for my DD1 than I normally allow while I was putting the LO down.  Does your toddler nap at all still?  Does he have anything that he can be counted on to do quietly?  My DD is almost 3, but when we were establishing Hayden's naps and sleep training (no easy feat considering I was the prop!), Maren understood that Hayden was going down for a nap and that she needed to be quiet.  She stood by the door and watched quietly as I put Hayden down and once Hayden was sleeping, she knew that was our time to be alone to play together, so she had some incentive to 'help'.  Now, when Maren puts her dollies down for a nap, there's a lot of pat/shh going on, it's so cute. 

Once you have the routine where it should be, you should only have to do pat/shh for longer periods for a few days or a week.  Could you post your routine and we'll take a look to see how the A times are and how we can prevent OT?

The other thing is that with the 2nd babe, life is all about compromise, since we can't give both children the unwavering attention that the first child was given.  So remember that imperfection is OK, at the end of the day if we've achieved at least one good nap and everyone is clean and reasonably happy, then that's a pretty good day! 

:)
Nicole - Mom to My Lovely Girls


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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2008, 19:41:28 pm »
marking as I will be in the same boat within a month..... :-\ :-\
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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2008, 23:50:30 pm »
Mary Pat -

I just wanted to say that I am happy to see you back here.  I remember you from years ago and always enjoyed your posts for their honesty and humor. 

I am sorry you're going through a rough time right now with number 2.  I cannot speak with any authority as we still just have one.  However, I did want to talk to you about the anxiety you're feeling.  I invite you to check out the PPD board and read about how PPD can manifest itself in anxiety.  I had it and my sister did as well.  There is a screening test called the Edinburgh test that you can take and there is a link on the board to the test. 

I know that your dh works a lot and your MIL is unsupportive, and these factors are not helpful to you in mothering your boys and trying to take care of yourself.  Do you have any friends who could come and play with Joey or take him to the park?  Just for a change of scenery for him and a break for you so that you can just tend to Noah's needs? 

I wish I could be more help, but please know we are here to listen and support you.  If you need to vent, I know you know this is a safe place.

Masses of {{{HUGS}}}

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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2008, 00:48:34 am »
Thank you everyone for the very kind words.  I know it sounds a lot like PPD, as I had it with DS 1, but really it's A) I had an emergency c-section I wasn't prepared for, B) I'm extremely sleep-deprived, and C) I had surgery on this past Thursday for the biggest kidney stones I've ever heard of and am not recovering well. 

That being said, here is a look at our usual day, sort of:

8:00 Eat
8:30-9:30ish Noah sits in bouncy chair, or with Mommy.
9:30ish:  Attempted nap.

11:00 Eat, then bouncy chair/swing/while Mommy and Joey eat lunch, etc.
12:00 Joey's nap
12:15ish- Attempted Nap.

2:00, Joey gets up from nap, Noah eats.
2:30ish-3:30ish, Noah is in bouncy chair or cuddling with mom.  Sometimes the 3 of us go out.

4:00 Noah eats.

5:00 Joey and Mommy eat, Noah usually snoozes.

6:00 Noah eats, then snoozes.

7:00 Joey's bedtime routine.

7:30 Noah's bath, nighttime feed, then to bed.

2 AM- Noah eats.

5 AM- Noah eats.

6:30 AM-Joey wakes. 

The cycle continues.

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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2008, 01:37:57 am »
Hi there,
Such great advice from everyone. 

I don't have a lot of time to write, but I just wanted to offer a BIG BIG HUG to you.  If you happened to be in General Sleep a couple of months ago, you would have seen my thread titled "Can anyone help me?  I'm beginning to despair."  I truly felt like I was losing my mind.  I can relate to much of what you said.  I spent almost my whole day in a dark room trying to get DD to sleep - for weeks and weeks.  I had babysitters for DS.  It was ridiculous.  Then she started waking 5-6 times per night.  So I certainly know how terrible it can be.  Let me just say this:  THIS WILL GET BETTER. 

After walking through those miserable weeks, if I had it to do over, I would focus on ONE THING.  Teaching DD how to fall asleep on her own.  I would not have used any props AT ALL and spent the time I had with babysitters teaching her to sleep.  (I did try, but I didn't go at it hard core).  I don't know if you have the option of getting help in order to do that, but I just wanted to share that FWIW.  Once DD learned how to fall asleep on her own, my life changed dramatically.  She still did not take awesome naps, but at least I could lay her down and walk away to be with DS.  In the past 2 weeks, she has started taking long naps, just like I was told.  That it would sort out by 6 months.   

Another thing that has helped us tremendously is that I have a clock/radio/CD player in both DD and DS's room.  I play white noise while they sleep, and it does a pretty good job of drowning out the noise. 

I will write more as soon as I have time.  Please hang in there.  There are lots of ladies on this website who can help. 

x Brooke
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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2008, 01:40:06 am »
Mary Pat...  Just want to send you tons of hugs and reassurance that it will get better!!!  Your situation is uncanny!  

My DS#1 HATED our now 5 month old DS#2.  I was in tears for the first full month of his life and thought I couldn't do it.  My son is very spirited.  He couldn't and still can't be trusted around the baby.  He poured full glasses of water into the baby's bassinet, urinated in our bed on DH's side (thank goodness it wasn't my side:) and was extremely destructive of anything that he knew would upset me.  He crayoned all over the walls one morning... it was awful.

I think where you need to focus most right now is on DS#1.  You CANNOT coddle him!!!  You have to get down at his level and look him in the eyes and say "I know that you are angry about your new brother, but he is staying.  Your behavior is not acceptable!  I love you very much and I also love your brother very much!  He is here to stay and you need to act better than this!"  

I put my son in timeout for any acts of destructiveness, aggression and just downright foul behavior.  It took about 2 weeks of being consistent but he got it!!!  He also was told that there was no touching the baby unless it is on his knees or legs.  He hated that but it showed that he did love his little brother.  You have to be very firm with him!!!  I know it's hard and it breaks your heart but it is the only way to get through to him!  

I also spent a lot of time with DS#1!  Anytime that the baby slept, he and I played his favorite games or read together.  I tried not to force him to love his brother.  That has developed naturally.  

It is just now feeling more normal and natural!  My son was the center of our world and everyone else's in our family for 3 years and then along came a baby to take away his attention.  My pediatrician said (as I cried in his office one day) that it is like my DH coming home with another woman and telling me that I am to love and accept her.  How would that make me feel?  It makes sense!

I agree with Nicole that right now it will mean more TV!  When I knew the baby was getting tired, I warned him that I would be getting the baby to sleep and it would take a bit of time.  Then I asked him what he would like to watch on TV.  It really did help.  Once the baby is on a set napping schedule it will get better!!!

Lots of luck and feel free to pm me for any advice.  I just went through it and know EXACTLY what you are feeling.  

PS... I hate my in-laws also :)
Ammie... Mommy to Owen age 7, Brayden age 5 and Jameson age 5 months

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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2008, 02:21:22 am »
Oh my, you poor thing!  You've certainly had a rough start! I may be wrong, but I believe a history of PPD puts you at risk for recurrence, as does a traumatic birth, and major illness.  I'm glad you're aware of the possibility and if you think you need help, Melissa and Deb (in Oz) and all the ladies on the PPD board are magnificent supports.  Enough said about that.

As for the routine, most LOs his age can handle 75-80 minutes of A time, so he's likely OT after that first A time and the day gets worse from there.  When you say attempted nap, what does that usually mean?  After the 12:15 attempted nap, he must have hours of A time.  Since that's when Joey naps, it would be an ideal time to really spend getting Noah down.

He doesn't have reflux? What temperament is he? My LO only has patience for a  very short wind-down, have you played with that at all?

And don't worry about him outgrowing the swaddle sack.  My LO is still swaddled at 8.5 months, in a miracle blanket.  ::)

Oh, and PS I love my in-laws, it's my family that makes life rough!! :P
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2008, 02:47:12 am »
Oh my, you poor thing!  You've certainly had a rough start! I may be wrong, but I believe a history of PPD puts you at risk for recurrence, as does a traumatic birth, and major illness. 

Nicole is completely right with this.  Having PPD puts you at a higher risk for a recurrence, and you have several possible "triggers" for PPD:  traumatic birth, illness, and perhaps what is termed "lack of social support".  Like I was stranded in a new state with no friends or family with a new dd and my dh worked all the time.  I don't know if your dh is still working crazy hours and if you have any productive help, and I recall from before how your MIL's actions were detrimental to what you were trying to achieve with Joey.  So for what it's worth, I would keep an eye on yourself and feel free to pm me or post on the PPD board if you need to vent.  I am not saying that you have PPD or will develop it, just that several "conditions" exist right now that might predispose you to PPD.  Kind of like a tornado watch - the weatherman doesn't know there is a tornado swirling around, just that the atmospheric conditions are ripe for one so be cautious. 

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2008, 11:32:28 am »
Thank you all again.

I have tried many of your great suggestions.  Both boys have air purifiers in their rooms which act as great white noise.  With Joey, I have sat him down many times and given him the talking to, and when he does bad things it is definitely handled.  I am a teacher, so I am pretty familiar with all that.

As far as the awake time in the morning, that's pretty much the way it has to be if I want to shower.  And it's worse today, just as an example, because Noah woke up at 6, and he doesn't eat until 8.  So now he's going to be up for 2 hours, eat, and then what?  It's Joey's 3rd bday party today, and we're in a new house, so there's a lot of work to do.  I'm pretty much just expecting a bad day.  Awesome.

Anyway, I definitely try to work on Noah's sleep during Joey's nap, but their rooms are very close together and I fear that the screaming will wake Joey (it usually does).  Two OT boys is the last thing I want.

Noah has mild reflux and he's very happy after he's been fed.  He does seem to be a bit spirited and VERY touchy.  He did well on the schedule for about three weeks, but now he's just anti-nap.  I was laying him down and walking away and it was great and I thought, "I am SUCH a baby whisperer."  But now, well, things are a mess.  And having a babysitter is not working out right now because our baby sitters are a bit underqualified and no matter what I ask of them they seem to just think Joey running wild is okay.  If I push it with them, I'll probably start crying or yelling so I just have stopped asking them to come.

As for Noah's wind-down, we do very well at night when Joey is already in bed.  It's mostly because my head is clear enough then to think and do things that make sense.  As for wind-down before naps, I have been turning out the lights, turning the fan on, and then slowly tucking him into his swaddle sack, explaining the whole time, "Now I'm making you all snug, I'm tucking in your foot, now the other foot...It's time for your nap now," etc..  Sometimes, if he gets really crazy, I undo his swaddle (which tends to enrage him when he's fighting sleep) and then re-do it to relax him, but it only works about 30% of the time.  He usually falls asleep right away, and then wakes anywhere from 10-45 minutes later.  Then I go in (I'm not in a medical state to be running, unfortunately).  I sh-pat, I pick up, put down.  I snuggle.  I get desperate, and I rock him.  Usually, he just keeps crying.  Even his mantra cry leads to melt-downs. 

At this point, my 3YO starts running thunderously downstairs, screeching or singing loudly.  We have the TV on, but he's not really satisfied by that when he knows that I'm upstairs occupied by someone else.  I tell him, "Sit right here till Mommy comes back," but even I would start to wonder afte 30-40 minutes has passed.



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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2008, 14:01:17 pm »
Hi there Mary Pat!  Do you have a gate or a highchair where you can secure your 3 yo for peace of mind?  That's what I did with my 3 yo for the first few months and still occassionally have to.  You won't be able to get the baby settled if you are worrying about your other lo!  I would give him some yummy snacks and secure him in a play area or highchair until you can return.  He may get angry by this in the beginning but once he gets used to it he will be fine. 

HTH! 
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2008, 14:56:30 pm »
Hi again...  Gosh, I know it is SO hard and SO frustrating. 

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Both boys have air purifiers in their rooms which act as great white noise

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I fear that the screaming will wake Joey (it usually does). 

Hmmm...  I wonder if the air purifier isn't loud enough.  We live in a new house, so the walls are paper thin.  DD and DS's rooms share a wall.  And with the CD, one can be screaming (not that I just let that go on  ;)  i just mean for example DS can be screaming b/c he hates getting his diaper changed, and DD can be napping), and you CANNOT hear it in DD's room (as long as the doors are closed).  I've tested it - I've gone into Claire's room when Collin was screaming.   

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He did well on the schedule for about three weeks, but now he's just anti-nap.  I was laying him down and walking away and it was great and I thought, "I am SUCH a baby whisperer."  But now, well, things are a mess. 
 
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He usually falls asleep right away, and then wakes anywhere from 10-45 minutes later

I just wonder if he got overtired and then got into a bad cycle.  When DD was that young, if she got OT, she could not sleep longer than 10-30 minutes.  That is really good that he can fall asleep on his own.  I didn't realize that - or I missed it if you said it before.  I wonder if you really focused on getting him down early enough, if he would do better.  The 45 min naps might still happen (since that can be developmental), but at least he'd sleep longer than 10 min.  And maybe if he wasn't OT, he could be resettled more quickly.  I could be completely wrong about what's going on, but for us, OT is a big hairy monster.  Even still for DS.   

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because Noah woke up at 6, and he doesn't eat until 8

This is just my opinion here, and someone correct me if I'm wrong.  If this happened with DD, what I'd do is just feed early, so that she could go to sleep before getting OT. 

DD is also touchy, I think. 

I know this is awful, and I know you feel like you CANNOT make it one more day.  Just keep writing, and I think you will find someone who will say something that helps. 

Please hang in there. 

x Brooke



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Re: Having a nervous breakdown...
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2008, 15:11:13 pm »
Massive massive hugs sweetie, am marking my spot to come back and add my two pence worth as im in a rush right now - but ill be back later!!!   :-*
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