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No EASY Consistancy
« on: August 08, 2008, 02:55:30 am »
My lo is 5 weeks old and her days are all over the map, there is almost no consistancy.  There are two main problems- one is her personality and one is medical (move me if needed).

Keira can be pretty stubborn and likes things *her* way.  She also has reflux and throws up about once a day.  These two things have caused her routine to be anything but routine.  Pretty much from birth Keira put herself on a 4 hour schedule.  We have tried changing it to a 3 hour EASY to help with her reflux and that just messed her up completely- she really fought it.  So we allowed her to go back to a 4 hour EASY.  However, lately she has been all over the place.  She doesn't wake up at a consistant time so her days are never the same.  I have tried to consider the first feed to be a night feed and then wake her at 8am or so and start the day but she will fight it and it just ends up causing more problems.  The same thing happens at night when I try to tank her up with some cluster feeds- it just wrecks the evening.  The other problem is that her reflux messes up her routine as well.  When she does throw up she is hungry again an hour or so later and then she is usually overtired after eating and I struggle to get her back to sleep.  She also has a hard time settling herself because she doesn't feel great and often gets the hiccups and then she really can't sleep.  These issues also cause problems when she wakes at the 45 minute mark- she often can't get herself back to sleep.  I usually leave her be when she is just fussy and not really crying.  However, often the fussiness turns into real crying and then she is past the point of me being able to get her back to sleep.  Another problem, one I created myself, is that she often can't fall asleep without her paci but then she will wake up when it falls out.  The reason I started giving her the paci at naptime was because I had read that sucking on a paci helps with reflux- and it does seem to calm her immediately.

Here is what today looked like- I'll actually start with last night:

8pm                   Eat 2.5oz
8:30-9:45pm       Bed- Fussy
9:45pm               Eat 1oz
10pm                  Bed
10:30pm             Attempted a DF, just ended up waking her up and it took till about 11pm for her to settle
11pm-6:30am      Asleep   :)  I know- how can I complain when she sleeps like that at night.   ;)
6:30am               Eat 4oz
7-10:30am          Nap- Had to wake her at 10:30am
10:30am             Eat 4oz
11:45-1pm          Nap
1-1:30pm            Fussy
1:30pm               Eat 2.5oz
2-2:30pm            Nap
2:30-3:30pm       Fussy
3:30-4:45pm       Asleep- in swing
5pm                   Eat 2.5oz
5:30pm               Threw up
5:45-6:30pm        Nap
6:30pm               Eat 3.5oz
7:30pm               Put her down for the night, it is 7:45pm now and she is still fussing

I don't know what to do this evening.  I don't want to try to wake her (if she is even asleep by then) and feed her at 8pm but I am afraid that she is going to wake up on her own by 10:30pm and want a feed.

So, I guess my main questions are:
1. Should I try to make her days consistant by waking her every morning at the same time regardless of when her prior feed was?  And if so, how do I keep her from fighting it?
2. What do I do when she throws up and it completely destroys her routine?
3. Should I go in when she is fussy and help her go back to sleep or wait until it becomes real crys?
4. Should I keep letting her have the paci or should I try to break her of it?

Thanks for all the help ladies!   :-*

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Re: No EASY Consistancy
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 03:33:58 am »
Is she on meds for her reflux? Have you tried using a thickened formula to help her keep more of it down and not throw it up again?

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Re: No EASY Consistancy
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 04:28:02 am »
Natasha- No meds at the moment because she is gaining weight and overall her reflux isn't really bad so the doctor wants to try other stuff first.  We have been trying gripe water and we do the usual things- elevate bed, keep her upright after eating, stop throughout feeding and burp her.  I would rather not give her meds if possible but if she continues to have problems I might take her back to the doctor and discuss the possibility.  And I am nervous about thickening her formula with cereal so early because I have read a bit about the downside to giving solds too early in regards to allergies and such.  The doctor mentioned it as a possibility in the future but she didn't recommend it for Keira at her last visit when we talked about her reflux.

I went through the different forums and read some on reflux and there seems to be two completely opinions in regards to props and AP.  Some say do whatever you need to get the lo to sleep and some say to press through things and stick with shush/pat, etc.  I go back and forth- I want her to sleep but I am afraid of the problems down the road if she doesn't learn how to sleep on her own.   :-\  *I do want to add though that reading the different threads have made me feel a little better in that what I am struggling with Keira is fairly normal for lo's with reflux and not just me going crazy.   ;)

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Re: No EASY Consistancy
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 04:41:08 am »
Can you not get thickened formula where you are at? I used that with DD1 for her reflux and then just used regualar formula later on and used a special thickener after that way i could thicken to the consistancy that suited her.

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 05:05:32 am »
Natasha- I have never heard of thickened formula, I just thought you were referring to thickening formula with rice cereal.   ???

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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 05:11:13 am »
Not sure where you are but this is what we have in Australia http://www.nutricia.com.au/infant05.asp

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Re: No EASY Consistancy
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 05:22:11 am »
I have seen Enfamil AR, which is thickened formula.

At that age, we were still operating on a 24 hour clock, and I didn't stress over EASY. She got up when she wanted and the day just went from there. Started sleeping up to 10 hour stretches by 2 months (has since stopped lol!). She is a reflux baby too. Also lived in the sling when she didn't settle easily in her bassinet. She loved being upright in it and it meant I could get on with my day and do stuff with Riley.

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Re: No EASY Consistancy
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2008, 05:26:43 am »
Thanks Natasha- I will have to talk to my doc about thickened formula.

Michelle- Did you have more trouble getting your lo on a schedule/routine later on because you waited a couple of months?  And did you find it hard to wean her from needing to sleep in the sling?  These are the things I stress, mainly because Brendan was such an easy/textbook baby and I could manipulate his schedule and he just went with the flow and getting him back on track took some time but overall was easy.   :-\

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008, 06:02:26 am »
LOL You are asking the wrong person. I am more of an attachment parent, if I had to put a title on the way I parent. I didn't ever try to wean her from sleeping in the sling...it just kind of happened naturally as she got too big to be comfy in there for long periods. Will take maybe 30-45 min naps in there now if I need to go somewhere etc. I enjoy her sleeping in there, I love how she nestles in, love feeling her breathing, love watching her be so peaceful so close to me. Her sleeping in the sling would not be a problem for me, it's not something I would set out to "fix", per se. I miss it now that it doesn't happen so much anymore.

The only thing I worry about is making sure both my children are as happy and well rested as they can be. Since dh works nights, and I work from home during the day, the days can be busy and hectic. This summer has been particularly rough in that regard. I just try to do the best I can, given the circumstances. She has a nice little routine now, kind of has evolved over time. Naps can be hit or miss, but that's life. Sometimes it stresses me, but I try to let it go because it's not really worth worrying over in the grand scheme of things. She is a very happy baby, that makes things easier.

That doesn't really help you now, does it?! :)





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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008, 06:45:49 am »
Hey Kimberly :)

About the consistency. Don't worry about that yet, important is that the events that follow each other are slowly moving into a direction where they'll be in the same order. Preferrably EAS. At some point.

4 hour easy sounds fine to me, Scotty had that until about 3 months, then moved to 3 hours.  ::)

For the hiccups, what helped Scotty was clockwise movements on the tummy.

And I'd keep the paci, as it is supposed to help, and plop it back in. Soon she will learn to not let it fall out her mouth so soon.

Sling for LO#2 is an awesome idea, just yesterday Emma told me how the sling has helped to not change her LO#1's day too much so there wasn't so much jealousy going on.

My friends used the slings a lot, too and after a while, they just became more aware of what was going on around them, so they started to be awake in the sling and spent lots of A-time in there.

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Re: No EASY Consistancy
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2008, 15:47:11 pm »
Thanks Michelle- it is helpful because it is another opinion/viewpoint and I always find those helpful.   :-*

Steffi- Thanks for reminding me that it is more about the order than the times right now- sometimes I can get so fixated on something that I miss something else.  I know alot of this is me- I like things to have order and consistancy and I was lucky to have a first child who fit that mold as well.  Now this little one is unique and I have to accept that she won't fit into my mold.   ;D

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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2008, 15:50:33 pm »
Steffi- Thanks for reminding me that it is more about the order than the times right now- sometimes I can get so fixated on something that I miss something else.  I know alot of this is me- I like things to have order and consistancy and I was lucky to have a first child who fit that mold as well.  Now this little one is unique and I have to accept that she won't fit into my mold.   ;D

Wait until she is 14  :o :o :o

I might have missed that... is she on meds for reflux? Have you visited the reflux board? It can often disturb the sleep.

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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2008, 18:12:41 pm »
Steffi- She isn't on reflux meds at the moment because she is gaining weight and the reflux isn't really bad.  I know that reflux is affecting her sleep and routine but her *have it my way* attitude is affecting it as well.  ::lol::  I have visited the reflux board and it has given me some helpful information.   :)