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Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« on: June 21, 2009, 01:15:37 am »
My LO has a cow's milk protein allergy and possible soy intolerance.  We are not sure about the soy.  Our GI requested that he go on a hypoallergenic formula and we put him on Allimentum a few weeks ago.  However, I am sitting here reading the ingredients and one of them is casein hydroslyate.   Casein is a derived from milk.  Wouldn't this be an issue?  We just saw the GI a few days ago and he didn't say anything.
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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2009, 01:19:50 am »
Yes it is, the only way you will avoid cows milk and soy is to go onto an elemental formula I think.  From what I can tell the others are chemically treated to change the milk protein to a different molecular structure thus reducing the likely hood of sensitivity...

Perhaps your GI doc thinks that this will be enough change that your bub won't react to it??

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P.S. Our paed has just put our 15 month old on an elemental formula, I'm proud of him for drinking it 'cause it smells really really bad!! :x


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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2009, 01:23:30 am »
Lizzie, you are incredible with how quick you respond!  :)  Why the heck wouldn't he comment on this at our appt.???  I am so frustrated with all of this!  I have to keep reading and researching and doing everything all on my own, while I have "experts" working with us and doing the bare minimum.

So, what is an elemental formula?  Brands?  What should I ask for? 
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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2009, 01:31:13 am »
I think that they just do it all the time so it is second nature to them and they don't think to tell you about it!! Frustrating, yes...is nice to get the full story sometimes!

Ok so I would probably call his office and ask them to get him to ring you back so you can ask about the caseine component!  The elemental formulas are pure amino acids, not based on cows milk or soy AT ALL...but they are hideously expensive (in Aus) apparently, our paed said that if it works for us he will have to write an authority script so that we get it cheaper...The one we are on is called EleCare, I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful than that.

Um it may be that he thinks that a very low allergen formula, such as the one he has suggested will be enough you will have to call and ask I think??!!  Our doc is good at ringing back if you get the right secretary....if you get the wrong one she won't give him a message (my sister in law calls them guard dogs...oops did I say that!!)...My point is if he doesn't ring you back, keep calling and being persistant, eventually you will get some answers I hope!!

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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2009, 01:41:15 am »
Thanks Lizzie!  I feel like I am the most annoying mom, because I call them all the time.  I just think they are so vague and just don't provide enough individual attention.  Sadly, we were just there and this never came up, despite the GI knowing exactly what forumla we are on.  I need answers though.  Here I am doing the best to make sure my LO is free of allergens and I may possibly supplying him with one.  So sad....
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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2009, 02:14:56 am »
Well as I said sweetie, the allergenic nature of the protein has been changed, so it could be ok for your LO...but yes I do understand your frustration.  You aren't annoying btw you are concerned, there is a HUGE difference...they need to help you through this, that is why you are at a specialist :)

You are doing a great job sweetheart, don't doubt that. Just ring them up and ask your questions...best to know :)

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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2009, 03:42:20 am »
Alimentum is a semi-elemental and is usually recommended as a first line of defense for bubs who have an intolerance and not necessarily an out and out allergy. I personally would try it as full elementals can muck about with the digestive system and I know here, are only used when absolutely necessary. Not to mention the cost!

My boy is on alimentim but we are just moving to full elementals with both kids. It's for different reasons though.

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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2009, 07:52:04 am »
Hi pp can you be a bit more specific about the issues you can experience with elemental formulas and digestion 'cause our LO has just gone on one (sorry to OP...I'm not trying to take over your post, just wondered as our paed didn't mention this)...

Thanks Sharon
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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2009, 09:21:41 am »
Formulae like Alimentum and Nutramigen are called hypoallergenic.  Although there is milk protein (casein) in the formula it is extensively hydrolyzed -- broken down into extremely small pieces.  (Nutramigen comes with a small brochure with pictures of this inside every tin to help explain it, I'm not sure if Alimentum does?)  MOST babies with either a milk allergy or milk intolerance (there is a fine line of difference but it doesn't really matter which it is, LO can't have milk either way) can handle these hypoallergenic formulae without any problems. The proteins are broken down small enough that they can digest them fine.

However, when the problem with milk is extreme, and symptoms are not being adequately treated by using one of the hypoallergenic formulae, then babies are put onto what are called elemental formulae.  Named elemental because the proteins are broken down into their smallest form, amino acids.  Amino acids are the basic elements of a protein, hence the word elemental.  Brands include Neocate and Nutramigen AA for instance (there are others).  I'm making a broad generalisation here and it is from my own observation not any kind of "proof" (disclaimer!) but it tends to be babies where the milk reaction causes very bad eczema or blood in their stools who seem to be the ones that need go onto Neocate. Babies who suffer from MPI-caused reflux, tummy cramps, mucousy stools or mild eczema seem to do fine on Nutramigen or Alimentum.

I find that statistics on how many babies have such severe problems and need to go onto elemental milk really do vary.  My own paed GI told us that it is less than 5 % of babies with MPI that need to move onto the elemental milk - however I am sure this differs by country as the rates of MPI itself differ by country.

I do think that the vast majority of the time, doctors really prefer to trial the hypoallergenic forumula first.  It gives you an idea of how severe the reaction or problem is, for one.  Second, the hypoallergenic formulae tend to taste VERY VERY bad and it takes a while to get LO to drink them....well, the elemental formulae are a hundred times worse. They are pretty nasty, at least until LO is old enough to drink the toddler versions of them which come flavoured. Trying to get a baby to drink Neocate can be extremely difficult.  And, also, they are EXTREMELY expensive. 

To give you an idea of the prices in the UK
Regular milk based formula - appx £8 per 900g tin
Nutramigen (hypoallergenic) - £14.06 per 400g tin
Neocate (elemental) -£35.74 per 400g tin

So, pretty pricey, we are fortunate in the UK that hypoallegenic and elemental are both given on prescription which mean they are paid for by the health service and not by parents.

Not sure if this answers most of your questions or not, hope it's at least helped a bit!

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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2009, 09:40:42 am »
Thanks you for answering my questions.  I know that my LO has a cow's milk protein allergy, not intolerance.  I have no idea if that make a difference.  My LO has been on this formula for about 3 weeks now, after being on a soy formula.  While we have seen some improvment, last night we were up most of the night and it is hard to tell why.
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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2009, 09:51:15 am »
It can take a LONG time for the milk (or soy) formula that was giving him problems to get out of his system. We were given a "guideline" of at least half as long as he was on the formula for. So, my son was on milk formula for 4 months, and so not to stress too much until at least 2 months had passed, to give his body a chance to rid itself of traces of the milk formula and to heal from any damage that may have been done to his system.  In our case it took closer to 3.5 months before everything was 100% great.

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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2009, 09:55:04 am »
Thanks, I freaked when I saw that there is casein in it.  I just want my LO to feel better.
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Re: Similac Allimentum and cow's milk protein allergy
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2009, 09:56:44 am »
Well it's all still worth speaking to your doctor about if you are still concerned about symptoms.  As I said that is a guideline that our paed goes by, doesn't mean that they would all agree. You know your child and his symptoms better than anyone and your doctor will let you know what s/he thinks is the best way to proceed!