I need ideas !! Many NW all of sudden-

[Mom2Jesse]

Hi (sorry it's so long)

About two to three weeks ago I changed from two naps to one.  That mostly went okay.  Then about a few days after this, maybe a week, she she started to wake up in the night and i would not be able to settle her. 

She has not often slept through, and usually wakes up once or twice a night, but I've always been able to pat her back to sleep, or if not just give a a small bottle (60ml) and can put her back down after that.  I should also say that I did carry on with a dream feed (60ml) for too long.  When it was time to cut it out, we were moving, then she was teething etc, but now I've stopped it. 

when she started waking up two weeks ago, it was random times,  usually between 3 and 4.30, I could not settle her by patting, if i put her in a bed (my sons bed, which i don't like doing- he then goes to my bed) then she would snuggle up to the pillow (she has a t-shirt on mine in her cot which she snuggles up to) she would then doze off quickly.
Over the past few days she has been waking 45min after going to bed, then 45mins later.  I can usually settle her the first  or two time but not after that.  I've tried PU/PD at these times, for sometimes an hour, and she just starts to cry so much she gasps for breath.  When i pick her up, she is asleep on my shoulder in a minute,then i sit on the bed, then lie down, then roll over and she is fine with that.If i try to put her in her cot, she'll cry on the way down.  I do sleep with her in the bed ( don't feel i can leave her there by there self, but I don't cuddle her.)

I really don't' like doing this because she shares a bedroom with her brother(3.5years) and he get really upsets when she cries, and i don't like waking him to go my bed when i need to get her back to sleep.

She has been teething during this time, and the past few days had a mild temperature, but she is fine now. I'm not sure if she is still teething.  I see a tiny light dot where her canine would be but she does not even have the tooth before that on that side.

Our day

6.30- 7.15  Wake and milk
8.30  Breakfast
11/11.15- Lunch
11.30/1145- nap ( 1.5 to 2.5 hours)
2/2.30 milk
5.15- supper
6.30 bath
7/ 7.15 milk
7.30-7.45 bed

If she has a shorter nap - I'll go for a walk, and she'll have a little nap in the pushchair

Thanks for for your help

[speechie]

Hi- hugs sounds rough- how old is your LO?
Does sound like some teeth may be lurking and disrupting her sleep. I'm also wondering if she may have an ear infection? That can cause real discomfort at night, when laying down, and can happen when teething...maybe worth having a MD take a peek- my LO had behavior like that at night, no other symptoms and ear infection...
Have you given any pain meds at bedtime to see if it helps

[Mom2Jesse]

Hi
DD will be 1 in a week. I had wondered about an ear infection, but changed my mind because she sleeps once we sleep in my sons bed.  I thinkI'll go get here checked out with the doc and make sure everything is okay
Hi- hugs sounds rough- how old is your LO?.
At the moment, I am giving her pain meds before bed (actually just before her bottle so they have time to work). tonight I have done W2S after she went to bed. The last time I did that she slept till 10pm before waking.

It's just so frustrating,  my son slept through from 4 months!

Thanks for your advice!

[lilisuze]

the early waking after bedtime (45 mins and 1hr 30) sounds like OT to me. My lo used to do this every night without fail before we started on a good nap routine in the day. Could it be that she is not really ready for 1 nap, and could squeeze in a little catnap somewhere else in the day?

Lili xx

[Mom2Jesse]

Hi Lili

I suppose it could be that! I changed it because the afternoon nap was getting to late and bed time was then getting later and later.  Today she had a shorter nap (1.5 hours) so we went for a walk and she slept for 15mins at 16.45. She did go to bed a it later though.
Having said that, she has not woken up yet (1.5 hours after bed time) I did 'disturb ' her a tiny bit at about 40 mins.

On the days when she has  a shorter nap I will try to get another one in and see how we go.  Do you think, on the days she manages 2.5 hours that is enough?
Did you have any ideas on why when she wakes up later in the night and can not be settled as we used to?

Thanks very much!!!! :-)

[lilisuze]

having the same issues with my lo. Think they are getting used to the idea that if they wake, you come in, and then go again, so they react badly to that!!! I am having to do up combination of wi/wo and pu/pd now. always settled him just by going in and laying him back down before!  Monkeys, the lot of them!

Lili xx

[Mom2Jesse]

Just wish I knew what to do.   PU/PD works fine in the day (though at the moment I don't need to use it), at night the times I have tried, she just cries and cries  and does not stop. 
Is WI/WO for the middle of the night, or more to train them to fall asleep on their own?

:-)

[speechie]

You can use either technique any time. I've used WI/WO more at night. My kiddo is one that really didn't extend naps well, once he was up, he was up!