Need help, not coping very well.

[sherry lynn]

Anna - the only thing I can think of is what somebody else said. He was super OT and has caught up on sleep now so that the early bedtime isn't working anymore

I'm in the same boat so I have nothing more to offer. Did bed at 7:30 last night and he was up for good at 5:15. With a cry out that woke me at 4:33   Cough at 5:00 and then up for good at 5:15.

[anna*]

*sigh* thanks Sher. It's so hard! Saturday night he was totally OS because of halloween and didn't sleep til after 8, still woke at 5.30. Long naps, short naps, nothing seems to make a difference! *heavy sigh*

I guess I will ride with it for a few days and see where we are, then prob start a new thread about how I'm not coping lol. Ah kids eh. Who'd have em.

[knackered]

Anna - for Joe it's all about the A time between wake up and nap. If this is too long I get EWs. Could this be a factor in Stan's EWs? What's the A time for him before his nap?

Anna xxx

[sherry lynn]

Anna (knackered) What A time are you currently doing, and how old is your LO? I have been trying to push that A time, but I've been getting nap refusal when I do. So he's been going down early again. Sigh. 11:15 yesterday, 11:30 today.

Anna*  - I was thinking about that today when you said Stan fought his nap   You are right, it can be so tough. I had the same as you on Lyle's birthday, the day before Halloween. Totally OS, and not asleep until 8:30, up at 4:55am    Complete nap refusal the next day. Therefore, back to early early naps.

I'm praying that it's teeth here. But, I sure hope I get some teething coming through soon because this is taking forever.

[knackered]

I do 5.5 hours Sherry. Any more and it doesn't matter what length the nap is or how early the bed time I still get EW.

x

[sherry lynn]

Hmmm... that is very interesting to me.

Before the EW started I was trying to stretch him to 5.5 hours, since that seems more age appropriate. And I wonder if that is what has thrown everything out the window. He has always been on low A times for the morning, and then longer A times for the evening.

After I tried stretching that we are now getting very EW and the average morning A times is 6+ hours, just to get him to 11:30 nap time.

How old is your LO?

[knackered]

He's 21 months - though I recently realised that he was a low sleep needs toddler, which led me to cut nap to 1.5 hours - this has really helped us with the EWs.

x

[anna*]

for Joe it's all about the A time between wake up and nap. If this is too long I get EWs. Could this be a factor in Stan's EWs? What's the A time for him before his nap?

It could be I guess, but it's confusing because I'm doing the same thing as I did a week or two back - whenever it was - which worked INSTANTLY.

I'm putting him down as close to 12 as I can - whatever time he wakes up. It often ends up being nearer 12.30, which is 7 hrs from a 5.30am start. The trouble is, when he is at nursery there is no way he can go down much before 12.15. They have lunch at 11.30, and that is the only window where it's really, really inconvenient for them to nap.

Today's A ended up being even longer because he made a big fuss at nap time.

[knackered]

I know it's confusing and frustrating when you can't control naptimes. I wonder whether it's worth trying to put him down for 5.5 hours when you have him at home. The fact that he made a fuss at naptime today makes me think he's OT by this point.

What do you think?
x

[anna*]

Yeh I can try. The first opportunity will be Saturday, I'll try to remember it through my sleep deprived week .

[knackered]

I'll remind you!

Have you tried letting him look at photos on your phone when he's kicking off first thing? I tell you - it works a treat....

x

[anna*]

Hi all, sorry I'm back for more hugs, back into the 'not coping' bit again. Shouted and threw toys this morning. I guess I should have to admit defeat - give up the little bit of 'me' time I get - and just accept that 5.30 is when we get up.

[knackered]

Anna - I do think that in some way just accepting it leads to less disappointment/despair. I don't know what the answer - though I do still think you should try the 5.5 hours thing tomorrow..

Hugs.

Anna x

[anna*]

I know it I'm just having a strop and stamping my foot because it means me going to bed as soon as I've had dinner, tidied up and got ready for tomorrow - no time to relax, watch TV, knit, read a book or whatever. I resent that.

[anna*]

I've just popped back to add the routine as it stands. It would even be great if anyone has ideas of how I could just move bedtime and wake up time along, because currently a later bedtime just leads to the same or earlier wake up.

5.30am awake
12pm put down for nap, usually falls asleep around 12.20 - nap 1.5hrs (this can be anything from 1 to 2.5hrs - but usually I wake him after 1.5hrs)
6.30pm in bed lights out - asleep around 7 I guess but not sure.