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Offline Inara

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getting enough?
« on: November 05, 2009, 15:50:37 pm »
I'm having night waking issues suddenly, so I'm checking into all the possibilities.  Without any action from me, she was sleeping 7 - 9 hour stretches by the time she was 8 weeks old.  She is now 13 weeks, and for the past 3 weeks has been waking every two to three hours.

I had a fast letdown - she'd choke and gasp.  Eventually she got a handle on it, and nursed for only about 10 minutes and had had a full feed (based on pre- and post-feed weigh-ins).  Around 6 weeks she got fussy at the breast - I presumed growth spurt.  Thing is, she's never really gone back to being non-fussy.  She wiggles, kicks and twists her head around (that's my NIPPLE!!) until let down, and then settles for a few minutes, but then starts to get fussy again.  I have assumed she is impatient because she was used to a fast flow, and now doesn't want to work for it.  However, given that she started waking a lot a few weeks later, I am beginning to wonder if I legitimately am not keeping up with her, so she's having to wake up at night to keep up my supply.  She also eats every 2 hours or so.  I know, BW recommends 3, but she simply cannot wait that long.  By two hours she's crying for it.  That also makes me suspicious.  How would I know?  Or is it that she isn't taking full feeds anymore, cause she'd rather only eat until it gets hard and then give up?  She does still seem to want to suckle when I take her off (sucks on her hand) after eating, but if I keep her on she doesn't really eat, just keeps bucking around.

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Re: getting enough?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 14:07:06 pm »
Hi there  :)

Sorry you're having such a rough time.

I wonder if there may be lots of things going on here. A growth spurt (http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=66001.0), not taking full feeds so may be not getting the fattier high calorie milk that helps them go longer between feeds, a very distracted age, etc. Are you feeding from both sides? Is there still milk left in the breast when she's finished?

So. I would suggest looking at the list below for ways to increase your milk supply - just so we *know* it's all okay, but I'd miss out the feeding honeymoon bit as you're feeding frequently already.

The other thing I would suggest is trying to increase that EASY a little in really small increments. Not all babes can go to 4EASY at this age. Babes are all different; different likes and preferences over being full AND different sized tummies! Mamas are also all different - we don't all produce the same amount of milk. So it's unlikely that we can all get to 4EASY at 16 weeks.  ;) It's early days. http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=120362.0 Not suggesting that you force her to wait 3h and then start increasing! Try using the 5m increment transition to fit where you are now and slowly increase the time between feeds that way.
 
Naps can also affect things - how are naps going for you? What does you current EASY look like? It could be that tiredness (not getting a long nap) is working against you both here.  :-\

Okay. Increasing supply - at this age, I'd highlight the need to eat and drink LOTS. Really important to give your body fuel to recover what it's been through, to sustain you and fuel your rapidly growing baby. I ate far more than my 6'4" DH who is hell of a lot bigger than me and plays sports  :o. At this age, I was still eating the equivalent of double (breakfast and then another breakfast mid morning, lunch & then another lunch mid afternoon and so on) AND a large glass of water per feed.

Things that you can do to increase your supply:

*First and foremost - your lo!  Nothing will stimulate your supply like your baby so key here is to nurse, nurse, and nurse some more

*Skin to skin contact - as much as you can - strip yourself off - strip lo off and climb into bed.  Play, cuddle, nurse etc.  Spend the whole day in bed if you can.  Failing that, make sure the house is nice and warm and strip your lo off and yourself and just play like that all day.  Bathing together etc...  This will increase teh level of oxytocin (one of the primary milk producing hormones) and therefore help a LOT

*switch nursing: when lo has finished with the first side, offer the second.  When done with the second, offer the first.  When finished with the first for a second time, offer the second again.  This will normally stimulate a further let down with each switch and tells your body to make more milk.

*Pumping directly after the feed preferably for at least 15 mins per side although anything is better than nothing.  You can also "switch pump" which is basically going back and forth between the breasts when the milk stops coming...

Things you can consume to help:

*Fenugreek, Blessed Thistle, Mothers Milk Tea & Brewers Yeast are all things you can buy at your local health food store that can be really great for helping to boost supply.  With the fenugreek, it's arguably the most effective but unless you are smelling like savoury maple syrup (and I mean everything - your urine, your sweat, you!), you're not taking enough haha!

*Oatmeal/porridge.  This can be great for some - I personally notice a difference with this   When I've been low in the past, I've had it for breakfast and for lunch - you can also eat tons of flapjack or oatmeal cookies ~~~ porridge is great for me: porridge, milk, cinnamon, pinch of ground cloves, drop of vanilla essense and fresh berries - really helps my supply everyday. Also, oatmilk available from healthfood stores and some UK supermarkets - even do chocolate flavour

*make sure you're getting plenty of water - this really can be a major factor for many! In those early months (up to 6 months or so), I'd drink a large glass of water or milk during / or with each BF. All other drinks during the day I saw as drinks / hydration for me.

*make sure you're eating properly - well balanced diet, with enough calories, enough dairy fats and health fats (such as are found in seeds and nuts etc). Up until 9 months or so, I ate an awful lot. I viewed main meals as nutrition for me, and then additional meals and snacks as feeding the boy...so I'd have breakfast and then toast an hour or so later... lots of healthy, carby nutritious snacks all day. It helped me make sure I was taking on enough to feed us both.

Hope this helps. Let me know what you think and how you get on?

Charlotte

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Re: getting enough?
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2009, 19:12:00 pm »
OK, it seems to be an impatience issue.  I've started switching sides every time she gets crazy fussy, to initiate a new let down.  This is a pain in the butt, because I sometimes have to switch six times.  I'm also varying the feeding position.  The result is that she's now feeding to fullness, and has started sleeping longer at night the last three days.  Sigh.  Feeds take a long time now.  Will she get used to this and settle down to business, do you think, or am I stuck?

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Re: getting enough?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2009, 22:29:02 pm »
It does sound like it may have been a growth spurt and that switching sides might have stimulated your supply.  :-\

I would try compressions to try and keep her interested rather than switch so many times during a feed: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=88759.0

Let me know how it goes?

Charlotte