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First off, my 3.5 month old is large for her age.  She's always been over the charts for her weight and at the max for her height.  I'm suspecting that this might have something to do with my issue.

She was a great sleeper since birth, and by 6 wks. she slept 6 hrs. straight after evening cluster feeding.  A few wks. after that, she slept 7 hrs. straight.  I felt so blessed!  Suddenly, just over 2 wks. ago, she started to wake up every 3 hrs. to feed.  I'm quite sure she was going through a growth spurt, as she'd nurse ravenously during the day and night.  Problem is:  That has continued till now!  I'm wondering:  Can a growth spurt last that long?  If so, when will it stop?!  She can't possibly be unable to return to longer straight hrs. of sleep, can she? 

At the same time, during these last 2 wks., I've noticed that she seems to nap very soundly one day but almost not at all the next.  It's like she's on an "every other day" nap cycle.  Yet, regardless of her day sleep, her NW's continue to be every 3 hr., more or less at the same time, as long as I put her to bed at the same time every night.  And, I do.

What's going on?  Of course, I'd really like her to return to her 6-7 straight hrs. of night sleeps, but I'm also worried that I might be depriving her of enough food or naps.  I have a feeling the problem lies in her new alternate day napping cycle. 

Also, this:  On the days that she doesn't nap, she will sometimes catnap for 40 min. in between 3.5-4 straight hrs. of awake time.  Then, she'll catnap again for the next 20-30 min. before she'll stay up again for another 2 hr.  On those days, it can add up to something like 1 hr. of nap time out of 5 awake hours, and that concerns me so much that when she finally conks out later that same day, I let her sleep for 2.5 -3 hrs. straight to make up for lost day sleep.  But, she always goes to bed at night at more or less the same time, no matter how messed up her day becomes. 

I really don't know how to get out of this cycle.  And...I also don't know how it all started!  But, how do I get out of it now?  And, how long will it take before I can expect her to return to her long night sleeps?

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 13:02:08 pm »
HI there, we always found that sleep and eating both went wonky with growth spurts and usually at the end of a growth spurt we needed a routine change.  Could you post your routine now so we can take a look.
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Re: Growth spurt lasting over 2 wks? Or...what else could this mean?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 13:11:44 pm »
Hi. I cant offer any advice I'm afraid because I have the same problem as you and was coming on the forum to see if I could get some answers. Coincidentally, I ran into your blog!!!

My LO is nearly 11 weeks and has also been a good sleeper. SHe was sleeping about 4/5 hours from 6 weeks and started sleeping about 6/7 hours in one stretch when she was about 8 weeks old. But for the past week, she has been waking every three hours for a feed. The difference with my case is that I dont think she is feeding well and this is why she wakes. I am breast feeding so not sure how much milk she gets but she used to feed about 15/20 minutes in total at each feed but now just 10 minutes and thats with me encouraging her to do so.I am wondering whether these two things are connected or not. Maybe she has just got more efficient at feeding and coincidentally going through a growth spurt too so is waking more?

Would love to hear if anyone has any theories and advice.


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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2010, 03:27:57 am »
Wendy, thanks for chiming in!  Really look forward to your response.

My routine, before and after my baby’s 3 month growth spurt, have been the same except that as of a few days ago—that is, as the “2 wk. growth spurt” seemed to drag on endlessly—I decided to increase the activity time by 15 min.  Initially, I upped it to 30 min., but it overtired her, so I went back to 15 min.  So, now, her awake time is 1 hr. 30 min.  Has it helped?  Not with the night wakings.  However, her day napping seems to be returning to a routine.  I need to keep up this new routine longer to see, for sure.

Before 3 months:

E (1):  8:00
S (1):  9:15

E (2):  10:45
S (2):  12:00

E (3):  1:30
S (3):  3:30

Bath:  5:00

Cluster Feed:  5:30-8:00
** Baby will eat & doze off, continuously and interchangeably at the breast.  The eating is most rigourous in the first 45 min.  Thereafter, she dwindles in energy until she falls asleep for the night.  I’ve never known exactly how long altogether or how soundly she actually sleeps, but the dozing off usually lasts 8-12 min. each, throughout the long period of CF.  

DF:  11:00

NW (1):  5:00

After 3 months:

E (1):  8:00
S (1):  9:30

E (2):  11:00
S (2):  12:30

E (3):  2:00
S (3):  3:30

Bath:  5:00

Cluster Feed:  5:30-8:00
** Baby’s CF has been shortening towards the third month.  

DF:  11:00

NW (1):  2:00
NW (2):  5:00  

I want to add a note here concerning cluster feeding (CF):  I know that Tracy suggested CF for newborns to occur at 7:00 and 9:00, and then by the baby’s 9th wk. to cut it out entirely.  I tried to, but it was impossible!  From birth to 6 wks., my baby CF 6:00-10:00!  I literally camped out in bed to serve her.  My older daughter only CF briefly, and closer to 1.5 hr. intervals.  So, when my younger daughter was born, I couldn’t understand it.  When the same fussy scene would occur nightly, the only thing that calmed her down was to feed and feed for hours!  Her dozing breaks were so brief, I had time only to use the washroom, and grab a few bites of dinner in between.  Then, always, at the end of CF, she would dramatically pop off my breast, turn her head, and be conk out completely.  It wasn’t till I brought up this “strange” phenomenon to my midwife, that she introduced me to the term “cluster feeding”.  Despite the fact that it was very time-consuming, I believe it was the key to my baby’s 6-7 straight hrs. of sleep thereafter.

To continue:  My baby started to change her CF habits gradually towards the 3 month mark, so that it eventually settled at 6:30-7:30/8:00, with approx. 2 dozing off periods (catnaps) of 15 min. each.  Then, the growth spurt started, and everything went topsy turvy!  Just this week, I started to experiment with increasing her activity time.

I suspect that her NW’s are due to insufficient tanking up from CF.  But, why won’t she return to it?  In fact, over the last few evenings, as I’ve extended her A time during the day, I’ve tried to coax her to eat more before bedtime.  Instead, she fusses as if overtired.  So, tonight, for the first time, I put into her routine an E & S (4).  Here’s what I did after E & S (3):

Tonight:

Bath:  5:00

E (4):  5:30  
S (4):  6:30  
**  She wasn’t eating steadily, as she hasn’t been at this point for a while now.  When she finally dozed off for more than 10 min., this time, I let her sleep continuously without coaxing her to eat more.  Until I implemented the extra 15 min. in A time, she seemed to have problems dozing off for more than 10 min.  Tonight, she woke up on her own after half an hr.  Hurray!

Evening Fussiness:  7:00-7:15
**  Baby wouldn’t eat or sleep.  So, I changed her and played with her.  (What's this fussiness about?!  It was happening on and off for the last week or so.)

E (5)/CF:  7:15-8:00  

**  She ate ravenously for 20 min.  Then, slowed down for the next 20 min.  Then, sped up again for 10 min.  And, finally wound down for the last 10 min.  This pattern is reminiscent of her former CF, but done much more efficiently!

I don’t know if this will do the trick.  

What I don’t understand is this:  If her former lengthy CF’s were due to her rapid growth but smaller stomach as a newborn, then as she matured over time and especially through this last growth spurt, shouldn’t her body be able to take in more quickly yet sustain it longer?  My guess is “yes”, but towards her third month, she’d become overtired by the time of her lengthy CF’s, and needed an added structured nap instead of briefer, intermittent catnaps (previous dozing off periods during CF).   That’s why I decided to try out a fourth S tonight.  BUTWhy wasn’t she tanking up a longer and fuller DF, if she didn’t get enough before bedtime, and plus so she could sustain that last intake for 6-7 hrs. into the night?  If the answer is because she’s too sleepy to, then why are her two NW feedings now comparatively fuller and longer than her DF?!  By the time she eats at 11:00 P.M., she'd already had 3 hours of sleep, just like the 3 hrs. between 11:00 and 2:00 and 2:00 and 5:00.

So, I don't know if the extra nap will do the trick after all.

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Re: Growth spurt lasting over 2 wks? Or...what else could this mean?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2010, 11:25:48 am »
it's now 7:15 a.m. for me, and i can clearly say that IT DIDN'T WORK. 

by the time i finished posting last night's reply on this thread, it was 11:35 p.m.  i was over half an hr. late for the DF.  when i approached my baby, she was smacking her lips, sucking her fist, widely awake, and waiting for her next feed!  usually, she's asleep at that time.  but, because she was awake, she fed even more efficiently than normal for her DF, meaning that she was definitely full by the time she was done. 

however, she got up for her NW (1) at 3:00, her expected time, though an hr. late 'cause her DF was approx. an hr. late.  and, her NW (2) at 6:45, at which point, i used as the start of her day this morning.  altogether, last night left me with more or less 5 hr. of sleep, accounting for the two interruptions of NW, and the extra time it always takes me to fall back asleep after each of them.  i'm a very light sleeper and this is why this is killing me!   :-[ after several days on only 5 hrs. sleep, i can't function. 

(sigh).  so, am i to assume that the longer sleeps have passed forever for me, or at least till this baby starts solids?   :'(

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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2010, 17:07:10 pm »
Sorry, I've since modified my posting (the one with the written routine) because I realized that I did the math wrong!  Oops.  I should've started her day at 8:00 than 7:00 because my baby does awaken closer to that time.  However, in the mix-up of things recently, she has sometimes gotten up closer to 7:00, like today!  Hence, my mistake.  Anyway, her ideal days do start at 8:00.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 10:55:39 am »
HI there, we didn't BF but FWIW we had 2 NW for feeds until around 5 mths.  It's very very common - they are just growing in fits and starts for the first 6 mths.  Things normally settle a bit after the 6 mth growth spurt.

With regards to activity time and fussiness, they just become so much more aware at this age, it's like they realize 'hey there's a big world out there', overstimulation can play a big part in sleep issues.  Evening fussiness is also still common. 


When she's eating during her day feeds, do you feel like she's getting enough?
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2010, 15:37:51 pm »
thanks for your reply, wendy.

i didn't realize about overstimulation at this age, but that's probably it.  i'm reassured knowing that it's common.

i'm fully aware that 2 NW's are also common at this age and that things will settle better after the 6m GS, but i'm also quite certain that my dd #2 is capable of sleeping better than this during the night.  actually, i wasn't as sure about it till i read yesterday in the breastfeeding forum (where i've since posted the same question) "Night Feed and the Breast Fed Baby", then reviewed my situation, and concluded that my best guess to this problem is a "leftover" NW from a GS.  as the article says, sometimes such NW can stick around but with the help of mother's assistance, can be removed. 

as i reviewed the situation, i remember how over the last almost 2 wks. now, my baby wakes up in the morning without feeding, no matter how i try to get her to eat.  in fact, she often goes into her S (1) again, continuously without an E (1).  yet, she'll wake for E (2) to eat immediately.  that tells me that her 2 NW's carry her well into the morning hours, so she's probably capable of STTN without both or even either of the existing NW's.  after all, that's how she'd been before this last GS.

so, last night, i experimented.  and, there seems to be a turnaround.  i did pu/pd for NW (1).  she fussed a bit, but babbled more, much more.  kinda funny!  clearly, i read:  "i want attention, mommy!  play with me, please.  mommy?!  do you hear me?!!  play!  play!"  nothing much more.  not even serious crying.  what i call whining, at most.  and, she lasted till NW (2) without a feed.  strangely enough, by NW (2), i nursed her, but she only ate for 9 min. straight.  if she were truly hungry, i figure that she'd eat more ravenously and longer.  but, no.  hmm?  then, she got up this morning and wouldn't eat, and fell asleep again 1.5 hr. later for S (1). 

i'm going to keep experimenting over the next few nights and then post my results, if it helps others, here.  my only problem is that when i have to focus in thought in the middle of the night, i end up staying up for the next 2 hours!  last night, i was already up expecting her NW (1) because my system had gotten used to it.  then, i was up again to stall her NW (1), and up again to feed her for her NW (2).  i basically slept only 4 hrs!   :P

BUT, hopefully, in the long run, when this gets resolved, i can sleep properly again...until the next GS! 

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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2010, 23:16:50 pm »
HI there, good idea about posting on BFing board, they will know more about it over there.  Most often getting up and wanting to play at NW signals a need for more A time...but it's hard to know sometimes. 

Certainly you can try to resettle without hunger and if you get a long block of sleep then it wasn't likely hunger.  But if she keeps waking after resettling then it sounds like hunger is the culprit.  They also don't eat the way we want them to, like I remember Finn's 6 mths spurt and trying to tank him up in the day with more solids etc. and no way, he was still waking at night for his bottle.  He just needed it then and there.  I read that they do a lot of growing at night so perhaps that plays into it...dunno.

I remember the days of broken sleep, heck we still have some days like that at 12.5 mths hehe.  It's really hard so hugs!
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 00:27:40 am »
again, thanks, wendy!  it's very reassuring to know that i'm not alone in my struggles, and for that, i'm so grateful i came across this BW website.

indeed, i've chronicaled my story over in the bf'g forum, and it seems from all indications of my experimentation from the last 2 nights, that my baby's nw's became habitual after her last gs.  she wasn't hungry.  and, i'm glad you pointed out that if she were, she wouldn't have resettled at all or for long.  i think i'll have to plug through this a bit longer until things are readjusted.

after i go through this over more nights, i'll update what happened that might help others, here, too.

really appreciate your responses!   :)

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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2010, 00:24:11 am »
to those moms who have been struggling through the same thing as me:  i've posted an update on the breastfeeding forum under the thread "leftover extra night feed from GS".

there IS light at the end of the tunnel!  hurray!