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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2010, 20:24:11 pm »
Hi - glad things have been sorting themselves out, I'd push it now otherwise you may end up with an OT bub, especially as we know he *can* do the longer naps.  Try an additional 15mins for 3 days and see what happens. 

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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2010, 06:21:31 am »
Ok, I'll try this, but actually I have another issue that I've been trying to sort out unsuccessfully and it's driving me nuts, so now I'm not sure which to tackle first.  The other issue is that since switching to one nap he got into roughly a 6am-6pm routine.  I wasn't exactly happy with it as it would suit us better if his day started around 7.30am, but my priority was to eliminate the NW and get naps back on track.  I managed that but in the meantime his routine has been slipping earlier and earlier, starting the day at 5.30 and even 5.15 a few days.  Some days he manages to get back to sleep for 30 mins ish but it seems to be happening less and less.  Now I'm cracking up over it because I feel like his routine may just keep slipping earlier and earlier and I don't know how to deal with it.

I've tried shifting his routine later by around 10 mins a day but this doesn't get me anywhere, nothing changes.  I've tried stretching him out by 30 mins a day over a few days and it doesn't get me anywhere either, he just gets OT and wakes up at normal time.  I've tried stretching him out by around an hour a day over about 3 days and that seems to work (last week it got us from 5.30am wake to 6.15am wake) but then he's OT and we start getting evening waking, NW and usually after another few days to a week we're back to the original wake up time.

In the mornings when he wakes early generally he hasn't slept enough so he'll cry and I'll have to go in to him.  We're not at the WI/WO stage yet, I go in, lean in to the cot without picking him up, tell him to go back to sleep and leav him in the cot while I lie down in the bed in the same room.  He settles down almost immediately and tries to go back to sleep.  Sometimes he will go back to sleep for a little while but more often now he just ends up lying there awake, alternating between trying to sleep, babbling and fussing (to which I say 'ssh', which seems to calm him).  Eventually, it may be 30-60mins later, he will start to cry and I just end up getting him up for the day (no big fuss or cuddles or anything, so I can't imagine I'm doing something that's reinforcing him staying awake).  I know my technique at this stage isn't exactly what BW recommends but it works at bedtime and for NW, he gets back to sleep very easily and quickly.  (I want to work on leaving the room while he's awake next but want to get the EW and naps sorted out first to get him back into a better routine)

What should I do on days with really EW?  To date I have just been sticking to his A time, but today that would give:

5.15- wake
11.00- nap
12.30- wake
5.00- bed (he's been doing well on 4h30 afternoon A, less eve waking)

but there's no way I'm putting him into bed at 5pm!!  Or should I be stretching out his pm A at the same time as his am A?  Could that be why he's EW?

Also do you have any suggestions for shifting his routine later?

Thank you in advance.


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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2010, 20:01:14 pm »
You *could* try fixed times.  You would have to ride out the OT for a bit but after a week fingers crossed you should have reset his body clock.

Maybe start with a 7-7 routine and nap at 1pm.  If he wakes early do what you can to keep him going till 1pm, maybe a 20min am catnap say at 9am?
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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2010, 23:56:13 pm »
Sorry if  I get into the discussion, but am having the same problems at 15 mos...the question is...what time do you give him lunch if you put  him to bed @11.30? before or after? myDS seems to be able to last until then and then sleeps about 2 hours but I am confused with the lunch issue.
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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2010, 08:21:05 am »
Hi, we do nap at 11.30 and lunch after - we give a snack before.  You can do split lunch though if you prefer. HTH, Laura x
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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2010, 19:22:23 pm »
Great I will try fixed times and see how we get on.  On the lunch issue i've just been splitting lunch and it seems to be working well. 

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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2010, 14:09:09 pm »
Ok so we've been doing 'fixed' times for five days now and it doesn't seem to be shifting the routine much later yet, but I'll stick with it another couple of days to see what happens.  The reason I'm posting today is because this morning DS did 6.5hours A time and had a nap of 2.5hours.  Could he really be on 6.5hours A time at 15.5months old?!  Perhaps this is the reason his routine kept slipping earlier and earlier, I was way behind his A time.

My question is this - with 6.5 hours A in the morning, what A time do I give him in the afternoon?

Also, does there come a point where I have to either a) limit his nap time or b) leave the nap at a fixed time of day eg 1pm (effectively limiting nap time) so that he's tired enough for bed in the evening?  If so, how do I know when to do this and what's the procedure?

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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2010, 08:12:33 am »
Hi,

I have just been reading your post about trying to shift his routine and the advice you have been given about fixed bed times. I would say stick with it - after returning from the UK (back to NZ) my little boy's routine was completely messed up. He gradually got back on track but after a week he got stuck at wanting to be up at 2am (just hideous) anyway all to say I just had to work through it with him using set bedtime and nap time and after 2 weeks he had adjusted.

In regards to your questions - I have no idea but would love to see what other people say as I am also just  trying out the whole one nap thing!

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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2010, 11:56:19 am »
Thanks for this, the advice makes sense when you think of it in terms of shifting time zones, I'm glad to hear it worked out and it's good to get an idea of what time frame worked for someone else.

Yeah I just can't figure out how long I'm supposed to give him awake in the afternoon now. I read something in BW about LOs aged 1-2 that you should have them awake by 3.30pm in order to be tired enough for bed at 7, but that in our case that means either I have to cut his nap short in order to get him up at 3.30pm or I have to limit am A, which will effectively shorten the nap anyway.  Yesterday we had:

6.10-wake
12.40-nap
3.20-wake
8.00-bed

but then DS only slept 10 hours last night, which really doesn't seem like enough to me.  I'm not sure if 4h45 pm A was too long, or perhaps a 2h40 nap is too much at this stage.  I'm finding it hard to figure out as he's been OT for the last couple of weeks with all this messing around with his routine.  Please help!

Thanks, Lia

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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2010, 20:10:59 pm »
I would try a 4hr A post nap and see what happens.  If he is doing a long morning A time then the afternoon one can afford to be shorter.  However you *may* find if you get a long nap that you only get a 10.5hr night, that's what a lot of bubs seem to do.  I would aim for a 7.15pm bt
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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2010, 20:28:01 pm »
Ok thanks.  I gave him 4h20 this eve so we'll see how that goes but I'll try the 4h tomorrow as tonight he seemed like he would have gone down earlier.

So what happens as his morning A lengthens out further?  Will I have to cut the nap short?  Or just leave it where it is and allow it to shorten that way?  It seems odd to be talking about this so soon when he's only 15mo but his A time just jumped up by an hour in the space of about 3 weeks or less and I just want to be prepared in case it happens again!

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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #41 on: June 14, 2010, 12:21:37 pm »
You'll probably find once you have got him into this settled routine it'll stay like that for a while (you may find at 18mths he's needs a slightly shorter nap but other than that!)
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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2010, 17:46:30 pm »
Thanks, much appreciated!

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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2010, 12:25:15 pm »
Hi, unfortunately we haven't tried the 4hA in pm yet (due to my own miscalculations or not being around when DH put DS down), so no news there.  However I've been thinking more about DS's 'short' night time sleep and there's something that's been bugging me, I've finally put my finger on it...in the past when he took a short nap I would put him to bed 15mins early and he'd catch up the lost sleep at night.  That's no longer happening, resulting in the EW and I think could be part of the reason why our routine was slipping earlier and earlier.  If the 4hA doesn't work I wonder should I be considering wake to sleep? 

I know you said that some LOs end up taking a shorter night time sleep when they take long day time naps but I suspect DS still has long night time sleeps in him.  Even on days when he takes a nearly 3 hour nap with a 10ish hour night time sleep he still seems slightly OT to me, falling asleep in the buggy after only a few minutes when it's nowhere near nap time, that sort of thing.  My question is - how would you decide whether to try wake to sleep to eliminate EW or whether to just accept that your LO won't sleep long at night?

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Re: 2-1 Transition
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2010, 19:47:07 pm »
With a 3hr nap and 10/10.5hrs at night that really is probably ok.  It may just take your LO a bit of time to adjust to the one nap.

What happens if you do an early bed - do you get early wake?  If so it's worth giving w2s a go regardless.. you have nothing to lose right?
LAURA xx