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Hi everyone,

9 week old DS2 has been breastfed from day 1. He's got reflux which is controlled with medication and has constant wind issues.

Last night he refused his night feed at 6:30pm, screaming and pulling off instead. I ended up giving formula (I'm unable to express...it just doesn't come out) and then at the DF at 10pm he took only one letdown from one side. Then he woke for his night feed at 1:55am. This mightn't sound unusual but he generally wakes between 2:30am and 3:30am, and once even at 5:30am. So I know he didn't get enough milk. I couldn't get him to latch on again to either side though.

Today he fed poorly all day - feeds of about 5-8mins, one side only. He usually takes a full side and half of the other. So I was engorged and in pain all day...horrible. I feel like mastitis is coming (had it for 4.5mo with DS1; 7 courses of antibiotics). Tonight at 6:30pm he took one letdown from one side, screamed for the remainder of "feed", went to bed, kept crying and I went back in and calmed him down and managed to feed him one letdown from the other side...an hour after the first side.

He's screaming, pulling off, kicking, writhing if I even begin to lift my shirt. :'(

Can anyone help? What should I do? I can't express and I really want to BF.

He's on a 3hr EASY-

E 7am
S 8:30am

E 10am
S 11:15/30am

E 1pm
S 2:15/2:30pm

E 4pm
catnap in sling
E 6:15/30pm (am trying to hold him out til 6:30 but he wants to feed, then after 5 mins he's done)

DF 10pm

Night feed usually 3ish

Thanks...am having a really hard time of it :(
DS1 July 2007; DS2 April 2010; DD September 2014

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Re: 9 week old refusing breast, screaming, I'm getting mastitis
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2010, 23:04:59 pm »
Anyone? Please?

it's 9am here...last night he did DF at 10 and I got him to take both sides, then his night feed was at 4:50am when he took one side (as opposed to 1:55am the night before...so inconsistent!) Then he didn't want to feed at 7am and took the tiniest bit, leaving me still engorged and sore. He's been unsettled a lot in the past few days. We don't use the dummy much but have been using it more recently as he's so cranky.

Anyone with advice?
DS1 July 2007; DS2 April 2010; DD September 2014

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Re: 9 week old refusing breast, screaming, I'm getting mastitis
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2010, 00:41:11 am »
((hugs))
It must be very tough! I too had mastities twice with DD#1 and I know how horrible it is (can't even imagine having for so long as you did).

In re to your LO: You're saying his reflux is under control. Is he taking meds? (It does sound like he's in pain when feeding). If it is the case he is associating BF with pain and no wonder he dislikes it.
Also, if you're engorged and he's already having trouble latching, it might be making things harder for him.

You: you can't pump but can you try to hand express?
You can use some of the tips here to be in less pain/ get more comfortable http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/mom/engorgement.html

I'm sure there's other mums here that might be able to share their experience as well.
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Re: 9 week old refusing breast, screaming, I'm getting mastitis
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2010, 01:50:07 am »
Huge, huge (((hugs))) to you both :-*

I was going to ask the same as Tay - are you sure that the reflux is under control?  Is he on meds?  How long has he been on them?  Is it possible that they need adjusting/changing?  Is MPI/MSPI a possibility?  Are you doing anything non-medical to control symptoms? (ie, elevating the head of the crib, holding upright for about 15m after feeds, etc.)  Reflux aside, could anything else be causing him discomfort while nursing?  An ear infection or sore throat for example?  Have you tried different nursing positions to see if that helps at all?

Ok, some tips to get your lo back to breastfeeding :)  Here's some information from kellymom.com, a very reputable breastfeeding information site, on their page "Help - My Baby Won't Nurse!":

The two primary rules when you have a baby who is having problems nursing are:

   1. Feed the baby. A baby who is getting the right amount of calories and nutrition is best able to learn how to nurse. First choice for what to feed a non-nursing baby is mom's own milk, second choice is banked milk from another mom, third choice is infant formula.
   2. Maintain milk supply. If mom's milk supply is being maintained with an appropriate frequency and amount of milk expression, more time is available for baby to learn to nurse, and baby's efforts will be better rewarded (with more milk). (*from Vikki: have you tried hand expression rather than pumping?  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=70304.0 *)

Suggestions for a typical nursing session

    * Very careful, supportive positioning can be very helpful when baby is having problems breastfeeding; for example, a cross-cradle hold or a modified football hold can be useful.
    * If your baby is tolerating it, then work on latching for up to 10 minutes or so. If baby is getting upset, then go with shorter sessions. It's not a good idea to keep trying for more than about 10 minutes - after this baby will be tired, latching will be harder, and there is a risk of baby developing an aversion to the breast if you persist too much.
    * Don't continue trying to get baby to take the breast after major frustration (either mom's or baby's) sets in; stop for a bit and calm baby (and/or give mom a break) before continuing - let baby suck on a finger, or snuggle baby high up between mom's breasts, or hand baby to dad.
    * Sometimes it can be helpful to offer a little supplement at the beginning of a feeding; this can take the edge off baby's hunger so he has more patience to work on the breastfeeding. If you've been working on latching and hunger is getting in baby's way, go quickly to whatever alternative feeding you're using. If you're both totally frustrated, give a whole feed, but if you think your baby is up for it (and you are too), only offer enough supplement to calm him and go back to working on breastfeeding.
    * If baby does not latch or does not suck effectively (or won't sustain a suck for more than 3 sucks even with breast compressions), then either try supplementing at the breast (see below) or stop and offer baby a little supplement (1/2 ounce or so of expressed milk or formula), and then have another try at nursing. If the second try is unsuccessful, then go ahead and finish up the feed with whatever method of supplementation you are using.
    * Any time that baby does not nurse at all, or nurses but does not soften the breast well, pump after feeding baby. This will help to maintain your milk supply, plus you will have some "liquid gold" available the next time baby needs a supplement.

General tips

Your goal is to coax baby to the breast. Do not attempt to force your baby to breastfeed. Forcing baby to the breast does not work, stresses baby, and can result in baby forming an aversion to the breast. As baby gets better at nursing and is able to get more milk via nursing, he will grow to trust that breastfeeding works and will have more patience when latching.

    * Wear clothing that allows very easy access to the breasts. Baby may get very impatient in the split-second it takes for mom to lift the blouse and undo the bra. Spend time, if possible, in a warm place that allows both mom and baby to be naked from the waist up.
    * Lots of skin-to-skin contact can help your baby nurse better and even gain weight faster. Keep your baby with you as much as possible, and give him lots of opportunities to nurse (even if you're not successful). Get skin-to-skin with him, first when he is sleepy, right after a bottle feed (or however you're supplementing). This way baby has the opportunity to sleep and wake up happily, skin to skin at mom's chest, and mom is right there to catch the earliest hunger cues. If baby moves toward the breast and then falls asleep before even mouthing the nipple, or after sucking twice, then these are positive baby steps, not failures. (Read more about kangaroo care or take a look at the book.)
    * Offer the breast often. Try breastfeeding in baby's favorite place, in his favorite position, in the bath, while walking around, while lying down, with baby upright, baby flat on his back, in his sleep, just as he is waking, any time baby looks as if he might be interested, or any other way you can think of, i.e. any time, anywhere.
    * Avoid pressuring baby to nurse. Offer in an ultra-casual way and pretend you don't mind if he refuses (easier said than done, but try not to show any frustration - your aim is to avoid pressuring baby to nurse). Don't hold the back of baby's head or push or hold baby to the breast. If baby pulls off the breast, then don't try to make him go back onto the breast at that time - simply try again later. If baby seems frustrated with your offering the breast, then turn the pressure down and simply make the breast available (lots of skin-to-skin!) without offering. It can be helpful to have lots of skin-to-skin time with baby where he is cuddled at the breast with no pressure to nurse - give control over to your baby, so that baby decides if and when to nurse and when to stop nursing.
    * Carry your baby close to you (a sling or other baby carrier can help with this). "Wear," carry, hold and cuddle your baby as much as possible; carry baby on your hip while doing other things, play with baby, and give baby lots of focused attention.
    * Sleep near your baby. If baby sleeps with you, you'll get more skin-to-skin contact, plus baby has more access to the breast (see this information on safe co-sleeping). If baby is not in the same bed, have baby's bed beside your bed or in the same room so that you can catch early feeding cues, breastfeed easier at night, and get more sleep.
    * Nipple shields can be helpful at times for transitioning baby to the breast. Talk to your lactation consultant about using this tool.
    * Comfort nursing is often the first to come, followed by nutritive nursing. Offer the breast for comfort any time you see a chance- at the end of a feeding when baby is not hungry, when baby is going to sleep or just waking up, when baby is asleep, and whenever he needs to comfort suck If your baby is actively resisting nursing, then try encouraging comfort nursing after baby is comfortable with skin-to-skin contact. After baby is willing to nurse for comfort, you can then proceed to working on nursing for "meals" as well.

You are working to seduce your baby back to breast. Again, coax, don't force!

Working with a baby who is actively resisting nursing

Make sure that a physical problem is not causing baby to resist nursing. Could baby have a birth injury or other condition that makes positioning for nursing painful? Is baby having problems with breathing while nursing or coordinating sucking and swallowing? Does baby have an overactive gag reflex that makes nursing uncomfortable? Does baby have severe reflux that makes feeding painful? Does baby have a sore throat from suctioning or other medical interventions? These are just some of the things that might interfere with breastfeeding.

Sometimes a baby will aggressively refuse the breast for no discernable reason - this baby will often resist being held, and may also be easily overstimulated. These babies can be transitioned to breastfeeding, but it should be done very gently so that baby becomes comfortable with being at the breast.

La Leche League's Breastfeeding Answer Book lists the stages that these babies go through as they transition to breastfeeding:

    * The baby aggressively fights the breast.
    * The baby cries more while being held than when he's put down.
    * The baby is willing to be held in some positions, even if not in a cradle hold.
    * The baby tolerates being held in the cradle hold.
    * The baby will attempt to root.
    * The baby will lick at the milk on the nipple.
    * The baby will attempt to suck, using and in-and-out movement.
    * The baby will take milk at the breast.
    * The baby nurses well, even before the let-down occurs.

      Source: Mohrbacher N, Stock J. The Breastfeeding Answer Book, Third Revised Edition. Schaumburg, Illinois: La Leche League International, 2003, p. 136-137.

Some babies will become more resistant the more you press the issue of nursing. If you've been working hard to get baby to latch and baby is resisting nursing, it can be helpful to step back for a bit, take the pressure off both yourself and baby, and not try to latch baby at all for a few days. Then slowly and gently work on moving baby through the above stages.

    * Start out by bottle feeding (or using whatever form of alternative feeding you prefer) in the feeding position you usually use, without trying to nurse. If baby resists being held in the beginning, it might be helpful to feed baby in an infant carrier or perhaps while holding baby so he is facing away from you.
    * Work with baby until he becomes comfortable being held in any position, then being held in a nursing position.
    * Once baby is comfortable being held in a nursing position, start trying more skin-to-skin contact. Don't actively try to get baby to latch before he is comfortable with skin-to-skin. You want baby to be able to trust being at the breast and cuddling at the breast without the stress of trying to latch.
    * When baby is comfortable cuddling at the breast, try feeding (bottle, etc.) at the breast. You're working to get him comfortable with feeding in a breastfeeding position, skin-to-skin.
    * Next step, start offering the breast for comfort when he's really relaxed and sleepy, or even asleep. Nursing in the side lying position might be helpful, as this positioning allows for less body contact. Some babies will take the breast after bottle-feeding or partway through a bottle-feeding.
    * Once baby is willing to take the breast for comfort, begin to work toward full breastfeeding.

(This is not the whole article, there is more information at http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/baby/back-to-breast.html)

I hope something in this rambling is helpful.  Please let us know how things are going :-* :-*
D ~ dairy, egg, peanut/nut and mustard allergies
Proud to have breastfed for over 24 months!


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Re: 9 week old refusing breast, screaming, I'm getting mastitis
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2010, 02:19:36 am »
Hi again, thanks so much for the replies :)

DS is on losec for reflux, has been on for nearly 7 weeks. Things were going a lot better until the last few days. He has sometimes got a bit of a blocked nose (DS1 and I have a cold too) but it doesn't seem to be the problem affecting his feeding. I have used the bulb syringe to clear it a few times a day.

I have wondered if I ate something that's turning him off my milk, but I can't think of anything different I've eaten. DS1 is lactose intolerant and with DS2's gas issues I've gone back on lactose-free milk for a few weeks to see if that improves things there. Maybe I need to look further into food allergies...would they only start to reveal themselves now though?

only once before he seemed to be refusing feeds and I think it was because I ate hommous. I'm feeling horrible. I've got a cold, DH is at work until after the kids are in bed, DS2 won't feed, I can't settle him for at least 30mins at night and it's just starting to consume me. Part of me wants to just put him on formula and be done with it, but I know I need this BF to bond with him because I'm struggling with him being so inconsistent and seeming to hate me so much.

Thanks again ladies x
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Re: 9 week old refusing breast, screaming, I'm getting mastitis
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2010, 05:05:37 am »
Having BTDT, I wholeheartedly know how soul-destroying this is.  :'(   :'(  Huge, huge (((hugs))) for you hon.

You say Toby was Lactose intolerant, I'm wondering if your Finley is milk protein intolerant (aka MPI).  Lactose is a milk sugar.  Milk protein (aka casein or whey) is a protein. This site has a good explanation of the differences in symptoms and treatments.  http://www.cryingoverspiltmilk.co.nz/Food/LactoseIntolerancevsMilkProteinAllergy.htm
I would sincerely suggest cutting dairy completely out of your diet.  No milk, no cheese, no yogurt, no sour cream, nothing that is creamy.  
Do that for a good 2 weeks minimum.  If you don't see a difference, then have a glass of milk.  And then watch your Finley very closely for a number of hours later.  
When I cut dairy from my diet, I didn't notice a single difference.  ::)  But when I reintroduced milk :o is the only real way I can describe the cause/effect cycle that we saw within a couple of hours of me BFing DS2.
Yes, food allergies can take this long to reveal themselves.  Usually because it takes us this long to realise the 'cause/effect' cycle.

Otherwise I wholeheartedly agree with the suggestions that Vikki & Tay have given.
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Re: 9 week old refusing breast, screaming, I'm getting mastitis
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2010, 05:17:25 am »
Thanks Canwi! I will give the dairy elimination a go. Does that mean eliminating dairy also from premade foods such as bread and making my own?

Last feed was much better...maybe I'm being too quick in thinking it's all over. He fed both sides, only for a few mins, but seemed much calmer. DS1 was asleep...maybe this was helping. However DS1 is a very shy quiet boy and things aren't usually rowdy during feed times anyway.

I forgot to say that yes his cot is propped up, and he's upright a good deal of the time (being one of those babies who cries when he's not in arms :)

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Re: 9 week old refusing breast, screaming, I'm getting mastitis
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2010, 13:28:17 pm »
For those 2 weeks, yes. 
There are quite a few foods that are milk product free.  This link http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=135427.0 has a good list of names milk products hide under. ::)  If you label read LOTS, you can still eat a good amount of Milk product free foods that aren't homemade.
Then there's this thread which saves you the label reading http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=169612.0 - although I would still recommend doing it as manufacturers are sneaky and change the recipe without telling anyone ::)

If there is a change in Finley's behaviour etc after a drink of milk, go back to completely dairy free for a few days.  Then try eating a food that you know has milk products in it like bread.  Again watch him closely for a bit.  If there's no change in his behaviour, then he may be like my DS2 and able to cope with the "hidden" milk products in foods. 
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Re: 9 week old refusing breast, screaming, I'm getting mastitis
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2010, 22:48:04 pm »
Thanks again Canwi, those links are great. I'm wrecked today. He fed off one side at 6:30pm last night, woke beofre the DF, had both sides, woke 3:15am and had only one side, refused to take the other, wouldn't resettle until 4:30am, woke 6:40am and dummy til 7 (he went back to sleep). We try not to use the dummy in the night and he's really unpredictable with it...often spits it out anyway. Then at 7am he fed 4 mins from my rock hard left side (having not been fed off since 10pm) and wouldn't take any more. Screamed from 7:30 til bed at 8:20, is now screaming in bed. Won't feed, doesn't want me to shush pat, doesn't want me there, but won't sleep. I'm in despair. I'm about ready to put him on formula starting today. I don't know what is impacting what the most - poor feed = poor sleep, or vice versa. So confused and over it.

Sorry to rant, just need to get it off my chest. My boob is throbbing with pain and I still have over an hour til next feed. Crying just thinking about it :'(
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Re: 9 week old refusing breast, screaming, I'm getting mastitis
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2010, 01:58:29 am »
What kinds of pumps have you tried hon? Wondering if a different type of pump might give you a better response.

TBH I felt it was easier to do diet modification and keep BFing than do the 'formula roulette' and try to find one that worked.  It's also way cheaper.

Do you have access to a lactation consultant?  If so then it might be worth getting an appointment to see one and see if they have any IRL help with latch etc.
 
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