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Toddler battles BT & EW!
« on: February 04, 2011, 21:10:56 pm »
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DD is 2yr 5 mo and has been EW since she turned two.  We accepted 0630 starts as nothing seemed to help the situation. Just after Christmas she pt'd and has been out of nappies (daytime) since and night times have gone a little down hill!

The first problem is she really battles bedtime, we aim for 7pm BT and she's rarely asleep before 8. Mostly it's after 8, with her getting up repeatedly. We usually just put her back to bed without talking or interacting with her. Since PT'ing she repeatedly says she needs a pee or poop, we know this is a stalling tactic and try to ignore her!

She's waking up during the night to go for a pee which we need to solve, but I guess that's an issue for the PT board.

Our main problem is the EW's. She's routinely waking up before 6 to use the toilet, she does a huge pee, then back to bed, five minutes later she'll do a huge poop! She absolutely will not go back to sleep.

We have a Groclock, she's too clever and just keeps saying 'Mummy/ Daddy YOU can make the sun come up'.

She still has an afternoon nap which we've cut to 1hr 15, she's usually asleep by 1320 (she can battle here too) and we wake her at 1435. A few times we've let her go longer and she's still needed waking. She's so tired on an afternoon she generally goes down quickly. We're aware if she dropped the nap she'd possibly sleep longer at night, but a few days where she's missed a nap she's passed out cold watching tv!

I was just curious if you kind ladies had any tips, she needs more sleep at night but we just don't know the best way to get it!
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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 07:03:48 am »
have you tried an earlier nap and cutting it to an hour?
It may be that waking at 2.35pm and then bed at 7pm is too early even though it has been a long day iykwim. Would she nap more like 12.30/45pm? I think I would cap to an hour and see if it helps.




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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 10:21:38 am »
Thought I'd add my 2 cents worth as we've been going through something similar with DD who has been battling BT & getting up early!

As pp mentioned, we pushed her nap forward a bit & capped it at an hour (she now sleeps 1pm-2pm), as she's been awake earlier than normal she's ready to sleep at that time. I usually have to wake her at 2pm & we do BT by 7.30pm.
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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 18:11:06 pm »
I can't really offer any advice, but I can sympathise.  I could have written your post word for word a few weeks ago about my DS who is just 2 (is low sleep needs).  We were having massive BT dramas and EWíng as early as 4.30am.

But like the others suggested-We cut the nap back to an hour, and man what an improvement, BT now is a pleasure, infact he tells me when he is ready to go to bed, and the NWíng and EWíngs dissappeared.  His behaviour dramatically improved and he is delightful little boy again.

I really struggled with the concept of waking DS as I had battled with naps since he was born, and it just seemed so un-natural and wrong, but it so helped.  I have even managed to get daycare to cut his nap too and they have noticed the difference in him.

We are back to having problems now as he has transitioned into a BB but that is a whole other story.

Good Luck and just know your not alone :)

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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 19:04:32 pm »
Thanks ladies, we've started making changes already as she was awake at 0545, joy! Attempted to get her into bed before 1pm but she thwarted us with wee tactics! She was asleep by 1.15pm so I woke her at 2.15pm, well I tried, she was very deeply asleep it took 5-10 minutes to get her up!

We are going to aim for a 1-2pm nap for now, any earlier and it makes it awkward for the child minders routine.

I don't know whether it's tiredness or just returning from holiday but she's been a right little barsteward this afternoon!!! DH is currently reading her stories now, I'll let you know how things pan out!

I really struggled with the concept of waking DS as I had battled with naps since he was born, and it just seemed so un-natural and wrong,

I know this feeling! I think my first ever post on BW was titled 'help screaming nap battles' That was what led me to this forum!
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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2011, 07:38:15 am »
Well she was asleep before 8pm and woke at 0620, a teeny tiny improvement but 0620 is the latest she ever seems to sleep too these days, we consider that a lie in ::)

I know it can take a few weeks for changes to take effect so we'll stick with it for a while!
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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2011, 10:45:06 am »
An improvement is still an improvement  ;)!

Is she low sleep needs do you think? Some LO's naturally like to wake early no matter what you do (I have one of those  :P!)
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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2011, 17:52:27 pm »
keep us posted xx




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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2011, 20:13:34 pm »
Dare I say it but she was asleep by 1945, the earliest in a long long time! We had her down for her nap by 1240 and woke her before two so that seems to have helped ;D We'll get our child minder on board tomorrow too!

Let's see what happens in the morning!

Sianie I don't know what low or high sleep needs are? A little history, she was sleeping 7 hours plus from 5 weeks (shame DS hasn't figured that yet) she only dropped her morning nap a year ago. She's clearly shattered in the morning and very volatile, but she is spirited!
 What do you reckon?
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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2011, 20:20:16 pm »
Some LO's need more sleep than others. My DD sounds a bit similar, she was also sleeping pretty long stretches from birth, was late dropping to 1 nap & generally needs a lot of sleep (also spirited!). Could well be your DD's on the higher end of sleep needs.

Glad you had a good start to the night....FX for a good rest of the night. Let us know how things go!  ;)
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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2011, 14:09:54 pm »
Sorry Sian, I didn't notice your name before!

She slept solidly until 0615, not a peep from her ;D DH got up with her (as usual) and said she was much happier, what a difference 40 minutes extra sleep makes!
 Unfortunately our child minder can't get her down before 1, but she'll try her best.

I hope she continues to improve, these persistent 6am starts are a killer!

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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2011, 14:19:27 pm »
sounds like an earlier nap suits her - good news x




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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2011, 14:27:13 pm »
Yay!  ;D
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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2011, 11:10:40 am »
YAAAAY, big improvement, she slept until 0655 ;D

She did wake up at 0545 (same as DS) called out that she needed a pee and poop, then went quiet. Cried out once more at 0600 then quiet again. This is UNHEARD of from her. We let her come to us in the mornings so if she REALLY needed to go she would have got up.

Fingers crossed this continues as DH is away next week, that little extra sleep would be a bonus!

Our child minder got her down at 1255 yesterday, she was asleep by 1305, then woken up at 1400. The earlier shorter nap definitely seems to be helping!
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Re: Toddler battles BT & EW!
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2011, 12:55:27 pm »
Great news!! Hopefully she'll adjust properly over the next few days...FX for you!  :)
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