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7.5 month old: multiple NWs with 2h NW (not hunger)
« on: November 09, 2011, 22:41:40 pm »
I'm really hoping someone can advise on helping my 7.5 month old son sleep better at night. He typically wakes every 1.5-2 hours from midnight, finishing with a 1.5-2 hour awake period which starts at 3-5am. This has been going on for 3 months or so, maybe longer (my memory is fuzzy.....), and I can't pinpoint anything that may have triggered it.

We definitely had accidental parenting - cuddling and/or feeding to sleep, lots of dummy use. But 3 weeks ago we got rid of the dummy and he now goes into his cot awake - for naps and bedtime. He now puts himself to sleep without much fuss at all (amazing after such a long time with the props!). All naps are now longer than the previously typical 40 min so he can definitely make it through the end of a sleep cycle, although he does still tend to cry out before re-settling (this happens in the evening too). But still the night wakings persist.

When he wakes at night with an ear-piercing scream (jolting awake at the end of a sleep cycle?), we do PU/PD or even just some brief patting in the cot. In the early part of the night this works but as the night goes on it takes longer and longer until we reach the 'grand finale' 1.5-2 hour wake up when there is nothing that will re-settle him seemingly before his body is ready to sleep again - he's obviously desperate to sleep and gets more and more frustrated that he can't re-settle himself (even when we were cuddling it would still take 1.5-2 hours before he was asleep again). Could he be having the first part of his day at this time? How can I fix it? I'd do Wake to Sleep but every time I set my alarm he's awake already!

He stopped waking for night feeds around 4 months old by slowly sleeping for longer periods until the last night feed merged into the first feed of the day. And I think we then had a week or two of decent sleep before the new sleep pattern began. I'm certain he's not hungry when he wakes (particular hungry cry), and he's not even that hungry for the first feed of the day. I do offer water during the long waking and he takes a little.

We've seen the doctor to rule out reflux (or anything else). He is on laxative (Movicol) to prevent recurring constipation (which started many weeks after the sleep troubles). We’ve tried anything and everything for wind, teething – ibuprofen before bed makes no difference.

Our EASY has changed as we reduced to 2 naps, and we dropped the 10pm feed 2 weeks ago (he wasn't taking much, we never could dream feed and so we worried that waking him was disrupting the night – hasn’t made a difference). A very typical day is one like yesterday:
A    0650: awake
E    0700: formula
   0845: solids
S    0940 (2h50min A time; nap 1h20min)
A   1100
E   1215: solids
S   1400 (3h A time; nap 2h)
A   1600 inc. wind-down – books, bath, short walk, quiet TV
E   1620: formula (late due to nice long nap!)
E   1745: solids
E   1855: formula   
S   1930 (3h30min A time inc. 20 min in cot before settling)   
1st wake: 2345, then several times briefly until 0400 when awake for 2 h, before re-settling for 1.5h.

The doctor, my health visitor and friends with babies all say controlled crying is the only way, but I honestly feel it's my job to teach him to sleep well, and not to punish him for not being able to do this.

Thanks for reading this far. What I’m really asking is whether I’m missing something obvious? Is there anything else I can try to help him sleep better at night?

Thank you.

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Re: 7.5 month old: multiple NWs with 2h NW (not hunger)
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 21:45:19 pm »
Hi hun and welcome to BW. I am so pleased that you don't want to let your LO CIO, there are much gentler ways on both of you.

It is great that you managed to get your DS sleeping independently, did you use PU/PD? I am just wondering if there is any seperation anxiety (SA) going on? Does he cry when you leave his side in the day.

I am going to try and get some more eyes on this for you.  :)



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Re: 7.5 month old: multiple NWs with 2h NW (not hunger)
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2011, 10:09:14 am »
Thank you so much for the responses - my post was a lot to read!
Bex09 - yes, I used PU/PD to get DS to sleep independently, but actually he didn't need it much at all - it was just me assuming he couldn't fall asleep without a long cuddle and dummy. There is the odd moment of potential SA creeping in I think- if he's happily playing I might leave him alone in the room for a few minutes and he sometimes starts to get upset but not terribly so. But so far he's happy to be with anyone else, doesn't fuss at all. I suppose SA might start at night though? What could I do about this?
Jane - I'm not sure what you mean by (sorry, me being naive):
But I feel you may have become the prop when your lo goes to bed he is tried so settles well Grin
When DS wakes after midnight, I wait to see if he'll self-settle (sometimes he can), but once true crying starts I'll first try stroking his head with my hand on his back, or if he's particularly upset I'll do PU/PD, always calmly saying 'night, night'. Once he's calm in the cot I'll slowly withdraw my hand from his back and leave, usually while he's still awake but relaxed. I'll keep doing this until he settles himself to sleep again.
DH takes an almost equal share of this (and gets up for work the next morning - he's a good daddy!), and DS settles (or doesn't) in the same pattern for him.

Thanks again, very kind of you.

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Re: 7.5 month old: multiple NWs with 2h NW (not hunger)
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2011, 20:49:49 pm »
It's funny you mention teething - the first one popped through today! Tonight we've dosed up on nurofen as he was clearly in pain. It can't be teething causing the NWs for all these months though?? Which makes me wonder if there have been several reasons - dummy/need to be cuddled/constipation/teething. We've sorted out the first three, and hopefully pain relief will help with the teething.
If I'm a prop, how can I work on this? DS goes into the cot awake for all naps and bedtime and puts himself to sleep. If he wakes in the night we do PU/PD. Sorry I can't figure it out!

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Re: 7.5 month old: multiple NWs with 2h NW (not hunger)
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 21:41:27 pm »
Just to update and give more thanks! The last couple of nights have been so much better - only a couple of wakings, and all brief and quick to re-settle (with minimal intervention from us). I hope we've nearly cracked it.....
The no-cry way may take a little longer but it's got to be the right way for everyone.
Thank you for your support. x

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Re: 7.5 month old: multiple NWs with 2h NW (not hunger)
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 22:27:49 pm »
Fantastic update hun. Well done.  ;D