Is this his new wake up time or EW

[rochellep]

My lo goes to bed @ 7pm. and would wake @ 5:00 or 6:00 bf, and then go back to sleep until 7:00 or so.Then he started not going back to sleep after his EW at 5:00 being wide awake and fighting it. We were fighting 45 min naps all day and was extending them so he was going to bed OT so I think maybe that was partly to blame? I don't know?  As soon as he sees light come from under the door he is awake. I did w2s @ 4 am a couple of times, then our big 4 mos. growth spurt (which we are in the middle of right now )came so I stopped as I was nursing all night long.

But now he is waking at 6:00am after the time change and I leave him in his crib sometimes cooing sometimes not. Could this be his new wakeup time even though it used to be 7am? He is getting 11 hrs of sleep even though he used to do 12 hrs. If it is I really need to put him down at a later bedtime as 6:00 am is really too early for me and the rest of the family and he would then be ready for his first nap at 2 hrs of awake time...at 8:00. I just barely get back from taking the kids to school by 8:00 and havn't been able to eat breakfast by then yet. If this is his new awake time then should I do what The Early Morning Waking sticky says for having an early morning wake phase and get him on a good 12 hr. routine which  means putting to bed at night at 6:00PM! Then move back the whole routine 15 min later in increments. The prob w this is that we still havnt gotten into a good regular schedule as we have been dealing with 45 min. naps for as long as I can remember so his routine for that day really depends on the first nap if it is a long one or a short one.  With the sleep training shhpat and increasing his awake times they are getting longer but not all of them. And with all of this increasing awake times, he has been OT a lot of times. So I don't know if 6:00 awake time is because of that or if he has had enough sleep. I also know that at 4 mos. he is very aware of his surroundings and his brain just wants to explore. So should I keep trying to get him back down with shh pat even if he is wide awake (which may or may not work because he is is wide awake as soon as a little light comes in through the door at 5:30am) and try to get him to have 12 hrs or 11 1/2 hrs. of sleep at night or just deal with the 6:00 wake up with 11 hrs. of sleep for now and see if he sleeps later when he is not going to bed so OT and all of his naps are longer or move back his routine in 15 min increments and try for a later bedtime which may get tricky if he doesnt wake at a later time. OH GOSH WHAT TO DO?



ps. today he woke at 6:00, by the time i got kids to school and  ate and got him down for his first nap at 8:46 he had been awake for 2hrs and 46 min! And he slept for 2hrs and 20 min. !!!!  He hasnt slept that long since he was newborn. he is happy but still acting tired and scratching himself. But the next nap was 33 min  after struggling with pat/sh to get him back to sleep i got him up and fed since he is going through his GS currently and he fed on one side and was falling asleep. I then put him down awake and patshh to get him back to sleep but he was wide awake by then so fought for 40 miN!!!So either 11hrs of nightsleep isnt enough for him or all the NW for BF from his GS is making him REALLYY tired. Since he started his GS, at night he feeds and goes right back down every 2 hrs or so.

[rochellep]

anyone have any ideas/solutions?

[*Becky*]

we are in a similar position so following along. My lo also wakes anywhere from 5am (bedtime 7pm) and it makes the first nap a nightmare...we also get short naps.

[rochellep]

anyone?? Last night he actually went down for the night at 7:20ish instead of 7:00 (which he never does, it's always 7pm) because I ended putting him down for CN later because we were going to take my other ds out for his birthday and I wanted him to be rested, but then we decided to forgo the going out due to the fact that lo was OT and would have made it miserable.and starting at 4:00ish he slept lightly and jolted and then slept then jolted again back and forth and then woke at 5:00ish got him back to sleep briefly then awake at 6 for good and I couldn't get him back to sleep. So he still woke at same time as before when he went down at 7pm. Before that he slept pretty solid and woke to bf at 2ish and went right back down. This has only happened for the last 2 wks. were he hasnt gone back to sleep until 6:30 or 7ish. I really don't know what to do as he is ready for nap at 8;00 AM, too early.

[Bex09]

Hi there, 11 hours of night sleep isn't actually classed as an EW, I know 6am feels like it to you though. Not all babies will sleep for 12 hours at night, it is the ideal but not always the norm unfortunately.

Can you post your routine in EAS format so that we can take a look please and see if we can help out with the short naps. OT can cause short nights and EW. My DD does 10 hr nights if she gets a build up of OT, normally she does 11.5 hrs. So those naps could be part of the problem.

[rochellep]

ok I posted a reply but it got erased
First off I have been sleep training during day naps and he goes does independently 50% of the time the half I pat/sh. We havn't gone to church in 3mos. because of him being so OT and his 40 min naps. My family has pretty much stopped inviting me for things because of me forever sleep training. My other kids have missed out of so many things. I am really tired of his naps. I haven't had much of an EASY since his GS that hit a week ago, but before that we had been increasing his awake time in 10 min increments for 3 days at a time until we got to just barely 2hrs. and that was stretching it. Then had to stop because he was getting hungry in the middle of his naps and I had to bf him and pat him back to sleep. Extending his awake times would result in a 1hr and 45 min naps maybe every other day, other than that it was either 37 min or 40 min. He seemed to be finished with his GS yesterday.

lets see...
this was Nov. 6
I kept him up 1hr. past his normal bedtime of 7pm because of daylight savings
gave him a CN at 6;30
He woke at 4pm bf
woke at 5am light slept until 6am
E-light feed because wasnt too hungry due to 4am feed
A-2HRS 24 MIN
S-8:24-8:54 30MIN  PAT back to sleep 9;06-10:42 1hr. 39 MIN
E-10:52
fussy after 1hr?
A-1HR. 40 MIN
S-12:27-1:06 40 MIN
E-2:40
A
S-4:08-4:48 40MIN after sh pat for 30 min while he screamed
E4:48
BATH
BED AT 6:45 couldn't make it till 7

From then on we did 2hr. awake time giving him a chance to get used to it. There was one time last week before GS that I didnt get him down until 2hrs and 46 min of awake time because I had car problems taking the kids to school and he slept 2hrs and 20 min.!! Then ate and then had 2hrs 11min of awake time and slept 33 min? he is so confusing!!

Yesterday he had a dr. appt and the office was extremely crowded. By the time we got home he had been awake for 3 hrs and 15 min tied to get him to sleep at the dr office but wouldnt. He slept 1hr 35 min. ate and then another 2 hr. awake time and slept 40 min again. He is all over the place!!

Today as I looked over my EASY notebook I decided to try more than 2  hrs. I put him down at 2 hr. and 42 min and did a 45 min nap and refused to do pat shh which he has been doing lately.

[Bex09]

Hi again, sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to you. Have had a sick DD to look after.

So to me it looks like your DS is getting OT and that is why he is taking short naps. Most 4 mo are doing between 1h 45 and 2 hrs of A time but that would be after a good nap and not a short one. If he short naps then really you would need to shorten his next A time to make up for this.

OT is known for causing frequent NW and also EW so that is probably where your problems stem from. Have you tried putting him down for his first nap after a shorter A time, say 1h 45? Why were you extending his A times to 2 hrs? Was he showing signs that he needed to have a longer A time?

[rochellep]

Is it considered a short nap if it two 45 min naps back to back? If i extend his 45 min nap after 10 min and wakes again in another 45-50 min.?

[Bex09]

No I think that would be OK as he has had a long sleep time overall, although it would not be as restorative as one long sleep without a gap. I guess you would just have to watch him really closely for sleepy cues afterwards and see.

[Bex09]

Hi I have noticed that you have got a post in 'Naps' too. Seeing as that seems to be your main issue and so that you can get all of your help in one place I am going to lock this thread and link it for others to follow along.

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=221135.0