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early waker, resistant napper, 4.5 months, help!
« on: November 24, 2011, 22:23:59 pm »
Ok I've been looking for answers now for 2 months and nothing seems to be working. I'm at a conflict because half the people I talk to say 'let baby dictate, it's natural' and half the people I talk to say 'routine routine routine'.

So here's the story - at 10 weeks I was told my LO has reflux. He's been on losec for the last 6 weeks, and has now been off it for 1 week. He always has green liquidy poos unless on losec. He used to cry and arch away in pain, so I believe it is or was reflux rather than overactive letdown or oversupply (which I have, I can feel the let down like sharp pins and needles every time, and it jets out and causes him to gag, though not as often anymore)

He used to go to bed anywhere between 6.30 - 7.30pm, and wake between 6.30 - 7.30 am, with 2 - 3 feeds during the night, but about 1.5 months ago he started waking earlier and earlier, sometimes as early as 4am! It always changes. We tried adjusting with an earlier bedtime to compensate and that made no difference. This also began around the time he started refusing to nap like he used to.

A bit of background: from around week 8 when the reflux became an issue, he would only sleep for 40 min at a time. After losec he gave us a couple of days of 2 - 3 hour naps, then it went something like this:
wake 6am or earlier, feed 10min one side, feed sometimes other side, nappy change, play, calm down and bed by 8am at the latest. Sleep till roughly 10am, get up, losec, feed, change, play, sleep again from 11.30 for roughly 1.5 - 2 hours, then a short nap around 4pm, then bath and bed routine and in bed between 6 - 7pm.
Over the last 2 months he has reduced his morning nap to 40 min, started needing settling after the first sleep cycle for the 11.30am nap, then eventually refusing more than 30 - 40 min at this nap too, then sometimes refusing to sleep at all at 4pm ish.
And now, sometimes he will sleep in the morning for 20 min, sometimes he refuses. Same again at lunch, same again at 4pm ish. He is also back to only wanting to feed for 5 min or so, then wanting to feed again every 1 - 1.5 hours or so, basically snack feeding.
Sometimes on rare occasions he will sleep for 2 hours in the morning, then refuse any more sleep during the day.

After taking the quiz and reading the descriptions it seems he is a spirited baby. He actively resists swaddling, and we haven't swaddled for 2 weeks, it's made no difference in his napping either way.

More often than not we will battle for up to 2 hours to get just 20 minutes sleep. I have over the last 2 months tired: Darkening the room, playing white noise, playing soft music, trying the shh and pat method (worked wonders for 2 days during week 9, then never again), tried the pick up put down method, tried letting him cry it out and hated every minute of it. I used to have to go for 2 hour walks to get him to sleep for that long, now even that doesn't work...

He wriggles and moves all over the place in his cot, sometimes just babbles and plays for those 2 hours, sometimes screams and cries loudly for refusing to nap.

I know he is tired and he is not just a non day napper, as while he does get happy and giggly with play, if left to his own activities he will often end up just staring vacantly into space. He will also only be happy on his own for 10 min at most before getting grumpy.

I'm out of ideas, I don't know what to do. Do I even try and put him on a routine? And if I do, how do I go about it? I can't seem to find anywhere that suggests timings with a reflux baby :(

Please help me. I am supposed to be working. I can't just be a SAHM, I would love to but my husband and I need the money. I am in the lucky position where I can work from home and go into the office for an hour twice a week. But this doesn't happen when I spend the larger part of my day trying to settle him to sleep. But when he flat out refuses to sleep.. like this morning.. he woke at 6.. he finally went to sleep for 20 min at 10.35am.. so he was awake for 4.5 hours then only a 20 min nap :( what do I do??

Hoping for answers,
Frazzled mum

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Re: early waker, resistant napper, 4.5 months, help!
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 00:04:26 am »
Hun why is he off the losec?
Hugs reflux is hard and I found it peaks around 4 months.
What is your typical day in EAS format now?
As you probably know BW does not in any way believe in CIO or CC. PU/PD can also aggravate reflux so for now shh/pat or a modified version of it is probably best for you and you LO along with APOP if you need to.

Have you tried W2S for the short naps?
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Re: early waker, resistant napper, 4.5 months, help!
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 00:27:28 am »
Hi ZacsMumme

He is off the losec atm as my pediatrician advised to try for 4 - 6 weeks then trial him off it. It had been 6 weeks and I had called him to clarify and this was the next step.
My typical day goes as follows:

(this is based on the more common wake up time)
6am - wake up, feed, eats for only 5 - 10 min one side, doesn't want the other
6.15am - my husband picks him up, changes him, gives him some play time
7.30 - 7.45am - my husband brings him back in for a cuddle with me, we put on the white noise rain cd and spend a few minutes cuddling
7.50 - 8am - in bed
8am - 9.30 and anywhere between 11am - we do the settle dance. This varies depending on how many days I've been working on one technique. At the moment I am trying shushing and patting but that is getting nowhere. If he is not settling and it's been 3 hours since his last feed, I try another feed, then keep trying to settle.
by this point we get somewhere between 20 - 40 mintues sleep, and by then it's been awhile since his last feed, or it's only been 2 hours and he's hungry because he ate for all of 5 min...

The rest of the day follows along the same lines, I can't give exact times as they are all over the place. Sometimes he has 2 naps by 12pm and then refuses sleep the rest of the day.

5pm - 6pm - bath, feed one side, read story (all just in his nappy)
6pm - 6.30 or so, top up and wind down time. No music, no wrap, just into bed.
(thankfully, knock on wood, this is still the one routine that goes the same for us every night, and he settles almost immediately, sometimes grizzles for a min or 2, but that's it)

9.30pm - 11pm - he wakes for a feed. This time varies based on how well he ate after his bath. I find if it's a short feed he is up earlier. More often than not he is usually awake around 10.30pm.

1.30pm - 4.20pm - the second feed for the night can happen anywhere between these times.

4.30am - 6.30am - wake for the day.

As you can see, he is rough and all over the place. I didn't know PU/PD aggravates reflux, maybe I should avoid that.

Sorry but the link for the abbreviations and acronyms says 'The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.' whenever I try and read it, so what does APOP and W2S mean please?

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Re: early waker, resistant napper, 4.5 months, help!
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2011, 19:18:26 pm »
bump! hoping for answers from experienced folks please!

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Re: early waker, resistant napper, 4.5 months, help!
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2011, 09:51:08 am »
APOP= accidental parenting on purpose
W2S= wake to sleep

I can't really help as I'm in the same position. My little girl is 4.5 months and will not nap for longer than 45 minutes and wakes for the day at 5.30am. I know she's tired as she's grumpy and can't be put down about an hour after she's woke, she just wants me to carry her round. But she won't sleep. I've tried changing her A times and trying to resettle but still the 2 hour nap eludes us! I'll be watching this thread with interest!

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Re: early waker, resistant napper, 4.5 months, help!
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2011, 18:50:14 pm »
Sorry Hun I have been sick. I am a little unsure about the losec trial to be honest. I tak up to 2 weeks to take affect, and being on it for only 6 weeks if it was helping will only mean your LO is likely to have the reflux return. Was your LO better on it? Have the problems coincided with the losec wean?

I would actually try to PD a touch earlier in case your LO is OT at PD for that first nap. Will he settle with shh/pat in the cot?
Does he have his cot elevated?
Will he take a paci?
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 20:43:04 pm »
I would love to think that going off the losec is the issue, but he started doing this a couple of weeks before we took him off the losec.
I'm not sure how APOP works to be honest. I'm still trying to figure out how to even get him on an EASY routine with reflux, as the times I've seen don't take into account the extra feeding reflux babies need.
He hates pacifiers, we have tried since he was 4 weeks old, he just won't take them. ssh/pat doesn't work, I've tried it so many times and he just gets more and more hysterical :(
I recently hired a natures sway hammock. What I find now is that it is easy to put him down for a nap, he will only resist slightly, but he still refuses to nap past 20 - 40 minutes, and starts performing again even in the hammock. I'm really at a loss here. I've tried keeping him awake 1 and a half hours, 1.45 hours, 2 hours, 2.15 hours, even 1 hour, doesn't matter. It's like he has lost the ability to self settle and just doesn't want to get back into it again :\

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Re: early waker, resistant napper, 4.5 months, help!
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 23:24:14 pm »
APOP for me was ANYWHING I could do to get him back to sleep ;) Rocking, singing, cuddling, feeding, letting him sleep on me, using the car if I had too. You will find something that works. For us it was rocking and bottom patting to the rhythm of a heartbeat.

if the reflux is not controlled EASY doesn't really apply, you just do what you can to get through. If you can get your LO down independently sometimes great, if not then there is always tomorrow or when the reflux pain subsides :-*

How about a wrap/sling?
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