WI / WO how to do it?

[Aylaa]

Hello

My Baby girl is soon 15 month old.

She use to sleep through the night since she was 1 month old! Then around 8 month she had to spend a night in hospital (she had fever convulsion) since then her sleep has been rocky..

She is a small sleeper in general ( going to bed around 7:30 waking at 6:00 or sometimes 5:30 and taking 1 hour nap a day, sometimes 1:30)

She had been teething badly  so we were in to no routine at all (whatever works) she would be awake from 2 to 4 am...

Now her sleep looks like a disaster, there is no consistency... she wakes up 1 or 2 times during night, and sometime end her night at 5:30...
When she wakes up the first time (sometimes at 2 or 3) She goes back to sleep quickly, we go in the room tap her back put the blanket and she goes back to sleep.
The second time she wakes up (around 4, or 5) she doesn't go back to sleep easily, we have to tap her back until she does! then she goes back to sleep and wakes 30 or 45 minutes after... until wake up time 6:30

And now on top of all she manage to climb OUT her bed alone!!!!
She has got so much strenghth in her arm.


So her father is willing to do whatever so she won't cry... and I believe in teaching her to go back to sleep, though I don't realy know how anymore...
It is realy putting great tension in our couple...  so help is realy needed.


Thanks

[Aylaa]

I thought I should post sample of my day:

between 5:30 to 6:30 WU and breasfeed
7:30 Breakfast
12:00 lunch
13:00 Nap until 14:00 or 14:30 sometimes, rarely 15:00
19:00 bed time at the moment she doesn't get tired until 19:30 or 20:00

Here are my questions:

Is my bedtime correctly done?
- when I put her to bed I breastfeed, then we read a story on a matress in her room, when the story is finished I turn off the light,  I put up a little light, then I hold her and cuddle her for 5 minutes while singing a mantra.
Then I put her down in her bed... her eyes are still open I pat her back still singign then I leave the room.
She would stand up and start crying so I would go back in and she would immediatly lie down I would pat her again and leave... (usualy around the 3 to 5th time she is down sleeping)


What should I do when she wakes up at night?
Should I go in only if she cries heavily?
Should I put her down and pat her back while singing until she sleeps?

Here is how I do it now: I go right in put her down, sing and pat her back, tell her it is night everybody sleeps and she has to sleeps... I leave before she falls asleep but then she stand up and starts crying.. so I have to go back again... 3-5 times then she falls asleep for 40 minutes max... and I have to start again...
So what should I do?

Thanks a lot for you help

[choc]

Hi, could she be OT? That is a very long first A time?  Maybe try putting her down earlier for her nap?  Especially if she wakes at 5.30am, 11.30am maybe a better nap time.  She may also take a longer nap then.

[Aylaa]

She could be OT.
She does sometimes feel tired arround 11:30 12:00
I could try an earlier nap! Then it would extend the afternoon A time before her bed time.

How do I proceed for the night?
I am not sure how to deal with the night wake precisely (see question in last post)

[choc]

I'm not so good with the NWs!  Do you leave a few minutes to see what sort of cry it is?  Does she actually cry when she wakes?  Could it be a mantra cry?  I would not rush in too quickly to see if she resettles herself.  However if she is used to the back tapping then she may escalate waiting for you to come in. 
The Nws should improve when she starts to get over the OT though.
Someone else may be better to help you with a technique to use, I think she may be too old for PU/PD?

[Aylaa]

Thank you for your help.
PU/PD doesn't work anymore... she got use to patting her back almost until she is asleep due to AP when she was teething.. sick...

I am trying the WI/WO from what I understood.

Yesterday routine was like:

8:00 woke up
13:15: nap -> 15:00 (long nap! very unsual, she must be catching up from the NW)
19:45: Bed time

21:45: NW I did WI/WO until 22:30
5:15: NW I did WI/WO until 5:35 she stand in her bed for a long time without cryning and then settle to go to sleep.
8:20 woke up

It has been 2 days she is waking up around 5 but going back with WI/WO until 8:00

So now nap time
13:30 she is resisting it... I do WI/WO

[choc]

Maybe try a slightly longer first A tomorrow.  Yesterdays was 5hr 15 and he napped well, so start from there maybe.  Or add 10 mins?

[Aylaa]

Thanks ;-)

When you do WI/wo for NW, do you only walk in when they do the I need you mumy cry?
If she fusses (complains at us tanding in her bed..) for 20 minutes, do you go in to tell her to sleep and PD ?

[choc]

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=80750.0

Have a read of this.

I personally would not go in for fussing, only if the crying escalates.

[Aylaa]

Thank you  Choc!

Is there a thread that explains how to recognize the different crying type?

Now she has been fussing (saying ba ba ba ba.... baababa) for 1 hour!

She looks sleepy standing in her crib!

Should I not tell her without going in the room, through the door, that she has to sleep?

[choc]

Does she know how to sit down again from standing in her cot?  If she does then I would just leave her, others may disagree, but unless Aidan is actually crying then I don't go in.

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64160.0

Leave her if it is a mantra cry.  It may not sound like a cry, Aidans was more of a noise than a cry!

You'll know when its an 'I need you' cry.

[Aylaa]

I think she can go back from standing to lying down, she has done it clearly once.... but...
Now it is 2:25 it has been 2 hours of mantra crying... and she fell asleep STANDING in her crib..
(edit:) After 10 minutes of sleeping standing she lied down.

So what can I do? How can I teach her to lye down?


I read the mantra crying link, thank you ;-)
Last night she  defenitly was Mantra crying, standing in her crib for 1 hour 15 min I went in 4-5 times... to PD.

Now it is  1:15 AM, she is Mantra crying since 00:25....  it does'nt even sounds like a cry... more like a complaint.. She stops 30 seconds sometimes... and back to complaining.

So I should maybe go back to my bed  and try to get some sleep and let her wa wa wa ba ba ba mantra crying... I would certainly wake up if she escalate...
What to you think? Or should I wait outside the door?

Is it normal that she mantra cries for so long?

[Aylaa]

My little sweety pie, had a real short night, so did we!

So last night was:

19:45 put in bed mantra crying until
21:15 she fell asleep
00:25 NW  she fussing....DH WI  to see if she is thirsty or needs a nappy change then she mantra cries/ fuss with little breaks until
2:25 She fell asleep standing... and after 10 minutes lied down...
7:50 WU
8:00 breast fed.

So basically she got 7:35 of sleep!!!

So how should she catch up?

I supposed she is going to do a long nap  of 2h (that's long for her)... around 12:00

But then she won't be tired to go to sleep early ?

Any suggestion?


(P:S sorry for the mistakes, english isn't my mothertongue...)

[choc]

Can you post her current routine now

[Aylaa]

Since I started WI/WO the routine is like this, more or less

8:00 WU and breast fed
9:00 Breakfast
12:30 Lunch
13:00 or 13:30 Nap
15:00 WU
15:30 tea time snack
17:30 -18:00 Bath
18:30 Dinner
19:45 Bed time
 and then NW are all the time different... :-(

I am scared she is OT and that is why she takes sooo long mantra crying... so should I let her do a long nap?