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Re: Almost 7 Months and Regressing! HELP!
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2012, 16:48:57 pm »
Happier news to report today...much better night! He went down easily and was asleep by 8:30pm. He woke at 10:45pm with gas, had a few burps and some Gripe water and was back asleep by 11:15pm. He slept until 4:15pm and then mantra cried for about 10mins before escalating. I went in and shh/patted for about 10 mins and he was asleep again. he slept until 8:15am...so around an eleven hour night. Way better! I have no issue with the wakings at all, my problem is the waking with the problem of not going back to sleep. I will happily get up 50 times a night if he settles back down after 5-10 mins, but when he is up for over an hour a time, that's when it gets exhausting. I think we may be slowly getting back on track....yay!!!
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2012, 16:38:05 pm »
Another horrendous night last night. We had a normal day/naps, etc. Bedtime was a breeze -asleep with no fuss and little help by 7:45pm. This was our night:

7:45 - 9:15pm asleep
9:15pm awake, would not resettle. Took lots of shh/pat and finally pu/pd. Finally settled after 2 hours...
11:15-11:45pm asleep
11:45pm awake, would not resettle. Took lots of shh/pat and finally pu/pd. Finally settled after 2 hours...
1:45am - 4am asleep
4am awake. Fed but only took 3 oz. Did settle back to sleep easily after this
4:20am-7:50am asleep

So, we had another 8 hour night. The weird thing is, he wakes up bright and happy and is not grumpy or acting OT during the day. I know he isn't getting enough night sleep (neither am I) but I don't get why it doesn't affect our daytime at all. So close to just closing the door and letting him scream...I went through every emotion last night....anger, resentment, remorse, frustration, guilt. So tired....
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Re: Almost 7 Months and Regressing! HELP!
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 16:58:37 pm »
{{{{hugs}}}}

Is there anything bothering him?  when you mentioned he woke and had gas and you gave gripe water it made me think.  My DD2 is MPI and we had a lot of NWs related to gas and tummy issues. 

What solids is he on?  Have these NWs got worse since starting weaning. 

Do be proud of your baby steps...you are making progress although I know after a night like last night it can be hard to feel that way xx 
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 17:38:27 pm »
He has never been a good night sleeper...used to wake every 2 hours until five and a half months. At that time I would either nurse or rock him back to sleep. At five and a half months we started EASY and got rid of the props. We saw results from the first day and actually had 3 nights of sttn. However, after about 3 weeks we got into the pattern mentioned above, with constant nw and refusing to resettle. He hasn't been "worse" since starting solids, just seems to be waking for different reasons - gas, dirty diaper, etc. I don't believe there is anything bothering him - he has been teething for months, so nothing new there! Plus, he is so happy and calm during the day...if there was anything going on I would imagine we would see it in the day, too. He never cries in the day and naps without issue...it's just at night!
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2012, 16:34:34 pm »
After another 2 nights of hell I am willing to admit defeat and throw in the towel. I simply cannot go any longer without sleep and without any kind of break from it all. We are now back to the newborn days - sleeping for 2 hours and waking for 2 hours. He is getting a maximum of 8 hours interrupted sleep at night, yet in the day is an angel. Takes two naps on schedule and sleeps for an hour and a half each time. I don't know what to do anymore..I've been doing this for almost 2 months and only had 3 nights of sttn in the very beginning. Now what?
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Re: Almost 7 Months and Regressing! HELP!
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2012, 20:55:40 pm »
{{hugs}}

It definately seems to me that something might be bothering him at night as that level of NWs  isn't usual at all at 7 months.  My DD2 woke very similarly but had MPI and gas and discomfort woke her at night although didn't bother her in the day. 

Ok, lets have a think:

What happens when he wakes?  does he wake and start crying right away? Is it an 'I need you cry'?   When do you go in? 

Does he go to sleep independently for naps and bedtime?

Are you and DH able to take it in shifts so you can get some uninterupted sleep?   

Sorry if i've asked this but as trying to refresh my memory.  Am moving house tomorrow so up to ears in packing boxes!!
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Re: Almost 7 Months and Regressing! HELP!
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2012, 21:10:54 pm »
Oh hun... I'm so sorry that this has gone sideways so terribly...

Wondering the same things as Shiv...
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2012, 21:12:12 pm »
At naptime, after about 10 mins of wind down, where I hold him, talk to him, pat him...I put him in his crib and he easily drifts off to sleep with only a hand on his back. Bedtime sometimes goes the same way, but sometimes is a fight where he just cries and cries and I resort to PU/PD...it often takes up to 2 hours to get him asleep. When he wakes, he just moans and mantra cries for about 5 minutes, so I don't go in. Then it escalates to a real cry and I go in. If I'm lucky, a shh, hand on back, and a pat will send him back in about 10 mins. More often is that this has no effect and he just cries louder and harder until I pick him up. We then go through the PU/PD process for about 2 hours until he sleeps - often to wake right back up in 20-30 mins as he is OT. The odd thing is that he shows no signs of tiredness during the day - not grumpy, yawning, rubbing eyes...etc. How can that be if he has only had around 8 hours of sleep at night? I am trying him on the Similac Sensitive formula now, just to rule out the milk thing...next move is a brighter nightlight (can babies be afraid of the dark?) No matter how much he is crying, the second I pick him up he stops, so I suspect it's more habit than something really bothering him....everyone keeps telling me to try the Ferber approach, but I'm reluctant to do that. Having said that, he seems to be crying for longer periods anyways, so it may not be too different. Sigh....
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2012, 21:43:04 pm »
{{{hugs}}}  There is a big difference between what you are doing and Ferber. You are there reassuring him.   With Ferber you are leaving him alone crying whether it is a distressed cry or not and all babies learn is mummy isn't coming.  I know you know that but at BW we don't encourage CC. 

I think you need to work on self settling and getting him to go to sleep by himself.  If you have to stay in the room with a hand on him to get to sleep then he won't know how to get himself back to sleep at night when he wakes.  He likely is expecting you to be there to help him get back to sleep as that is how he goes to sleep for nap and bedtimes.  It would be worth tackling independent sleep by  fading yourself out of the room and working on your LO going to sleep himself.   What do you think? 

At night I maybe wouldn't pick him up.  PU/PD can be very stimulating for some LOs and actually I found with my LO it made her really really cross.  I think it was because she was expecting me to rock her and comfort her and then when I put her back down when she had settled she was so confused.  It may be worth just comforting from beside the cot and using your sleepy phrase and patting the mattress. 

Definately not hunger at night? Are you feeding at all?

I'm not familiar with SImilac sensitive? Is that totally milk free or is it the one with the milk proteins broken down? 
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Re: Almost 7 Months and Regressing! HELP!
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2012, 21:46:00 pm »
My DD gets mad as hell with PUPD ;)  She responds moreso to a hand on her back/light stroking on her head and me softly shushing her intermittently while she calms down...

Shiv- Similac Sensitive is a lactose free milk based formula.
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2012, 22:02:37 pm »
So maybe I've been doing this thing wrong the whole time...I have always stayed until he was asleep. Should I just leave and only go in when he starts crying? Then what? leave if he stops or stay until he sleeps? PU/PD was a success for us in the beginning as it weaned him off the nursing/rocking props. Now it seems to have no effect - doesn't make him worse, but takes a long time to calm him down....
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Re: Almost 7 Months and Regressing! HELP!
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2012, 22:06:59 pm »
He knows how to fall asleep on his own so I would just try putting him down and leaving him to it... if he cries, go in and offer some comfort until he settles again.  I am wondering if he is just trying to get himself to sleep and you are interfering... I know I am guilty of doing it to DD ;)
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Re: Almost 7 Months and Regressing! HELP!
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2012, 22:07:33 pm »
Question: how much formula is he getting each day now?  Did you increase his bottles?
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2012, 22:25:21 pm »
I offer him four 8oz bottles a day - sometimes he does drink the full 32oz but usually only 28-30oz. I do feed if he has gone past 4 hours and really unsettled. Sometimes he drinks it, others he doesn't....
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Re: Almost 7 Months and Regressing! HELP!
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2012, 22:27:16 pm »
Hmmm, how are solids?
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