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Offline Carolina V

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4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« on: February 27, 2012, 12:11:29 pm »
My little textbook-boy, 4 months and 1 week old, is a very happy and content baby who has been on EASY since arrival, just like his older sister was. He feeds properly, mostly BF but also "formula" (don't know the correct term in english) and is gaining weight perfectly. His naps works great and he is easy to settle, mostly in his pram. During both day and night he has his paci but generally spits it out shortly after he has fallen to sleep. When put to bed for the night, he falls asleep on his own within 5-10 min. The problem is that he ALWAYS wakes up around 4 a.m. crying and is hard to settle after that. After a while, paci in, sh/pat etc. he falls asleep to wake up again after 5-20 min. This goes on until 6.30 a.m. when he has his morning feed. This has been going on for almost 2 months and I have tried everything. I used to feed him around 4 a.m. before but the pattern was still the same, hard to settle after that and woke up every 5-20 min. After a while I realised he was not hungry so I stopped that feeding and now feeds at 6.30 and then he is not to hungry but happily eats for a while. Now I'm desperate and so tired!!!! I might add that he has had a couple of colds during this period which has caused him trouble to breathe through his nose which of course has caused him to wake up as well.

If you could give me some hope and ideas on what to do, I would be so grateful! His EASY looks like this (since a week back we are now on 3,5-4 hrs which works fine although he is very tired at night and before his first nap of the day).

6.30   Eat
8.45-10.15   Sleep
10.30   Eat
12.00-14.00   Sleep
14.00   Eat
16.00-16.45   Sleep
17.00   Eat
18.30   Eat
19.00   Sleep
23.00   DF

Thank you so much for giving advice over this forum! Along with Tracys book, this is such a good source for experience and advice.

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Re: 4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 19:53:49 pm »
HUGS - 4mths is a hard time. Do you think he his hungry? My LO would often need a feed at 4 to get him through the night....
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Re: 4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 12:12:42 pm »
Hi and thanks for the hugs, needed those :-).

I donīt think he is hungry as he did the same when I used to feed him at 4 a.m? Then he was hard to settle after that, just as he is now? Sometimes I think it is his stomach causing him to wake up as he winces and sometimes has a "power-poo" but then again, that is not always the case. I noticed that when I give him the DF at 22.00, he starts waking up at 03.00 instead. Could it be the DF that makes his digestion work at that time and he therefore wakes up?

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Re: 4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 15:26:42 pm »
Hey Carolina V,

I am not an expert, but my DS did the same. I tried DF for a few weeks, but he just pooped right after a DF and then I had to change him and all before he got to sleep again. So the process woke him up even more, completely opposite to the idea of DF in the first place. He had the same problem too. He did go back to sleep without a fight, but kept waking up even more at night. He seemed to get gassy around 4 am and would poo a little too and wake up. Then one day, I ditched the DF and he STTN and didn't need one since then.

If you are confident that he feeds ok during the day, you can try letting go of the DF for a week or so and see if it works.

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Re: 4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 18:23:03 pm »
Im tempted to suggest dropping the DF too and see how he goes. Obviously if he wakes later in the night you may have to feed then but there is a point where the DF can start to mess with sleep.

There is a HUGE GS at 4 months too....and a developmental leap which can last a week or two....Wonder Week 19
http://blogginaboutbabies.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/wonder-week-19/ both of these can mess up sleep for a while. ;)
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Re: 4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 20:12:18 pm »
Thank you so much!! I will try to skip the DF tonight and see what happens. Hopefully this is what is causing him trouble. I report back tomorrow, wish me luck :-)!

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Re: 4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 20:19:46 pm »
Lots of Good Luck! Might take a day or two to correct itself if it really is the problem, but let us know how you get on!

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Re: 4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 12:59:05 pm »
Well, I tried to drop the DF and have so far have limited success with that. My LO wakes up around 11 p.m. expecting his DF and I have given him a little less than usual to try to wean him off it. However, he started to wake up instead at around 3 a.m instead and after fussing and crying for 30 minutes, he goes back to sleep to wake up again, same fussing and crying, at 5 a.m.? Now I'm confused and perhaps, a little more tired :-). any suggestions on how to fully drop the DF?


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Re: 4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2012, 01:51:45 am »
Sounds like your LOs sleep cycle may be stuck at the 11:00 wakeup - habitual waking.  You may have to help him transition with either W2S or ssh/pat or PU/PD.

If you think that he is definitely not hungry at 11:00, then you can try either of these techniques. I would suggest trying W2S first, 'coz it is the first easy thing to do...ssh/pat and PU/PD can take longer and is sometimes aggravating to kids and parents :(...I have done W2S with my son and it worked like a charm and I didn't even have to do it the next time..Basically, I would just go into his room at around 10:15 and just give him a real gentle nudge to stir him a little, nothing more. Just walk back out of the room quietly. If it works, he won't even wake up at 11:00.


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Re: 4 mo with NW - despite all the tricks I have tried
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2012, 01:57:01 am »
I agree W2S could be a good way to break the habit if that is all it is. If he is hungry it wont work, but it will if its just become a time where he 'wakes'
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