11mo and multiple NW with no obvious correlation to anything

[Khalam's Mama]

He was sleeping on a wedge and had a wrap very similar to that for a while but he is too mobile now. He started pulling up on the bars and taking the whole matress with him so I had to get rid asap.

We have been getting 2 NW for the last few nights. He did 2 naps and 2nd was really late today so am imagining a bad night.

[Khalam's Mama]

Last night was the same.
Tonight he has screamed for 40min already. I feel like he is bwproof. Nothing I do makes any difference. Not shushes, pat, pu, more sleep less sleep. He just wakes and nothing settles him until he cries himself to sleep. Dh is getting fed up. He wants to just ap all the way because nothing we have done so far has helped. He still wakes as much now as he did as a NB. I used to get annoyed when people said I was lucky K slept well because I had worked hard with him but I have done a million times more with b and he is still an awful sleeper. Anyway I sound like a couch post.

[LouiseV]

Oh I SO feel your pain. I swear my wee man is BW proof too. I actualy think they all go through so much (teething, developmental stages, separation phases etc) that the time left over for some babies to get actual long nights just isnt there!

I just read this and it has kind of helped me feel a bit better. I'm not saying I agree with practising all of this stuff or whatever, just that it kind of made me think that I just need to cope and get through this and find better ways of managing as opposed to playing detective all the time. I don't know - I do think some babies are more adaptable than others and I do think that my LO has coped better since he has been on more of a routine, but then he would never have coped with 4 hourly routines when he was under 5 months, while others thrive on them....

Anyway, I thought of you as I read it and thought you'd like a look.....

http://www.kathydettwyler.org/detsleepthrough.html

At least, if nothing else, we are breeding highly trusting, secure wee lads haha (for what its worth!!!!).

[*Becky*]

oh KM...I feel the same way about M. xx

[Khalam's Mama]

Hugs Becky.
Thanks for the link Louise. It makes me feel better for sure. Tbh after all this if B would cosleep I would let him but he has no interest and he has always been this way. He is in our room still.

[Buntybear]

Hi KM, do you feel it could be discomfort ie wind or similar? We had nws with Olly until he was 14 months and fully identified the foods that upset him.

Re co-sleeping we started doing ths from about a year on, when necessary, he was too little before that for me to feel safe doing it. Luckily Olly liked cosleeping and it was a comfort to him. I know many kids just want to be on their own!

[Khalam's Mama]

I have cut dairy, soy and wheat with no longterm change in NW. he is not a very windy baby at all.
What foods  did you find were upsetting O?

[Buntybear]

Not 100% on the real culprits but dairy eggs wheat (allergies) and high fructose fruit. It was the fruit actually that stopped the NWs completely. He was windy tho, the NWs were painful trapped wind.

[ZacsMumme]

Hun, I haven't read back on your thread, but I have been thinking about you and B a bit. I really feel for you as Z never consistently STTN from 4-12 months. We would get 1 week bursts, then back to NW

Is he still on probiotics? - these did seem to help us a lot, we started around 11 months.

Do you think that having him in our room could be possibly disturbing him? I find Z is a super light sleeper and if 'woken' rather than stirs on his own, he is awful to get back to sleep. Dark room, not too hot, white noise and crazy consistent routine is what helped us at this age

Can DH settle B? At 13 months we did WI/WO for the first time. It sucked. DH had to do it, and obviously we had to both agree Z wasn't in discomfort. Since then he has actually become a pretty good sleeper. Still NW with teeth, and I do think part of it was that he grew out of the NW and his body just matured. BUT it did happen and he STTN most nights now.

There is hope! as you can see I never thought Z would get there but he did. B will do it....in time. So many hugs

[Khalam's Mama]

Thanks Sara. I can't move him in with K when he wakes so much. I have tried sleeping downstairs when dh on late shift but he still wakes in there alone. I think he might wake less alone but we have 2 rooms only.

[Bex09]

Oh hugs lovely! I have been giving this loads of thought too and I know you have tried everything. You know that I agree with the whole pain/discomfort theory. My DD still has nights when she will NW for no apparent reason and it always turns out that the next day she will be teething, have funny poops, etc. So always related to pain/illness/reflux, etc. I feel it has always been this way and like Sara's Z, C didn't STTN consistently until over a year old. That probably doesn't fill you with much hope but just so you know you are not alone and we sympathise. Wish I could work it out for you hunnie.

[Khalam's Mama]

Sorry missed the reply before but thanks for the foods. Do fructose fruits pass through bm?
I am only 3w away from 1yo so if he started then I would be happy.
Oh and dh can settle him but it takes about the same time as when I do. He works shifts so either he gets in 2am or he leaves 3am so it is hard to get him doing many nw. He will if he is around. He knows how soul destroying I find the screaming day in and day out so he often takes over when he can.

[Buntybear]

Not sure on the fructose but I dont think so, it isn't an allergy or intolerance just the way his gut deals with the sugar tbh.

As with Sara and Bex Olly was over 1 when he started to STTN and so I totally get how sick of the screaming you are. Hugs as you have a toddler too xx

[Khalam's Mama]

Great so I don't need to avoid that. Will watch it with him maybe.
Thanks Ladies.

[bug_blues70]

He knows how soul destroying I find the screaming day in and day out so he often takes over when he can.

So is he unhappy during the day too? What foods do you currently feed him? It could be more than just wheat... Milo can't tolerate any potatoes or grains at all: no rice, no wheat, no oatmeal, nothing. Also no dairy and I don't give him any fruit other than avocado.  Actually, we have had him on the intro GAPS diet for about 7 wks, so he gets chicken&vegetable soup for breakfast, lunch, and dinner (we are also still BF) and it has truly made a huge difference in his daytime behavior - mood and interaction, both (he still wakes every 2 hrs at night though  ) When I *stopped* his probiotics, he got even better, and now when I am completely and totally 100% dairy free, his days are just beautiful. He's young enough to do this intro diet with (I couldn't get away with it with DD)... maybe it's worth looking into for you too?