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need encouragement- little sleep for mama
« on: April 06, 2012, 13:04:39 pm »
I'm so frustrated and in tears. I started EASY about 4 weeks ago. For about a week or two the daytime naps were great but the last week its been pretty bad. My LO is 4 mo old today. OUr naps went from 45 min to 1 1/2 hr and now only 30 min during the day and he is waking up every hour at night. It doesn't matter if I give him a nightly bath, feed him throughout the night or whatever he will not sleep longer unless I physically hold and rock him in a chair and pat him. I did this twice in which we slept 2-3 hrs straight. I feel like I'm losing my sanity. I never wanted to be one of those moms that lets here baby cry it out but now I feel like I'm getting to that point. If he falls asleep on me, when I lay him in his crib he wakes up and cries even after I know he was in a deep sleep. I'm tired and cranky and so frustrated. His crib is on an incline and I have a soft cushy thing for him to sleep on. I even bought a white noise cd to play and it doesn't help. If I try to let him cry for a few minutes, he just works himself up until he's choking on his spit instead of going back to sleep. I have no relief as he won't let hubby try to put him to sleep, he just screams and cries until I get him.

yesterday EASY
E 7:15
A 7:30
S 8:15 (woke up at 9:00 and wouldn't go back to sleep)
Y 8:20
E 9:30
A 9:45
S 11:30
Y 11:45
E 12:15
A 12:30
S 1:30
y
E 2:30
A 0
S 2:45 went back to sleep only with me holding him and rocking in the chair- slept until 4:15
Y
E 4:30
A 4:45
S wouldnt go down for his nap
Y
E 6:15
A 6:30
7:15 bath
7:30 Eat and fell asleep on the breast
S 7:45
8:30 NW
10:00 NW
11:00 NW Fed him
12:00 NW
1:000 NW
2:00- 5:00 fed him and rocked him to sleep in the chair and we both slept
E 5:15 fell asleep on the breast
5:45 woke up and wouldnt go back to sleep
Wake up 6:00am
E 6:15
A 6:30
S 7:45 woke up at 8:15. Shh pat him back to sleep and layed him in his crib at 8:20 and he woke up and cried. Shh pat him back to sleep at 8:30am and woke back up.
I just had to walk away and leave him crying while I went to the living room and cried and typed this up. He's been crying for 25 minutes and not giving up (the longest I have ever let him cry) so I'm going back in.
I feel like I just can't take this anymore... :(

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Re: need encouragement- little sleep for mama
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 14:01:02 pm »
Hugs. I feel your pain. I'm going through something similar at the moment. Hopefully someone experienced will be along shortly to help you out.x

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Re: need encouragement- little sleep for mama
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2012, 15:18:37 pm »
Big hugs!

Sounds like he's very overtired to me.  And you too, you poor thing.  Right now I'd say do whatever it takes for you both to get some sleep, keeping everything as low-key as you can to avoid overstimulation.  Don't worry too much about creating props, you can fix them when you're both feeling better.

On him stirring when you put him in the cot, are you shush-patting? If so, you can shush-pat him in your arms and keep patting when you lay him in the cot til you're sure he's sound asleep.  This might take 20 minutes or longer so prepare to be patient but it does pay off as it helps LO stay asleep once they're gone. Make allowances for him being overtired though, it does take an overtired baby longer to get to sleep. Also, my LO used to get really wound up with an evening bath so it doesn't always work as a relaxation method for really little ones.

When you're a bit more rested you might like to consider some of this - Did anything particular happen last week that changed things? Or it could be a four month growth spurt? What kind of activity time was he doing before things changed? The very first nap you posted looks like an A time of only one hour, which is really low for his age, and would contribute to short naps. 

I also wonder why at 4 months old he's eating every 2.5 hours (if I'm reading this right).  If he's exclusively BF he may need 3.5 hourly feeds but something like 4 hourly feeds are more typical at this age. 

In short, getting some rest needs to be your top priority.  Then I think you may need to look at your EASY and look at pushing out the E and A times.  I really hope that's helpful!  This is definitely fixable so don't despair and make sure DH gives you lots of help and hugs. 

There'll be more help along soon.
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Re: need encouragement- little sleep for mama
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2012, 15:50:04 pm »
PS I think this is a general EASY issue, not a specific NW issue, so you might like to look at the EASY board.  I've asked the moderators if they think they should move your thread - you might get more responses over on EASY!
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Re: need encouragement- little sleep for mama
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2012, 21:14:25 pm »
Hugs hun, I know how hard NW and sleep deprevation are believe me I have been there, but please, please don't leave your LO to cry again. It really isn't the BW way and all that will happen is that he will lose trust in you and give up crying because he loses all hope that anyone will ever come to help him. :'( If you have left him to cry before this then that could well be part of the problem as to why he is so clingy and wants to be held to sleep all the time.

So I think that your issues are partly EASY related and partly that you have become a prop. My DD had reflux as a baby and she was held to sleep as needed to be kept upright as much as possible and it became a total prop. At 4 mo I too couldn't put her down at all when she was asleep as she would wake up and scream. So to wean this prop I did as Anne suggested and held her until drowsy then put her down and used shush/pat and also white noise turned up really quite loud. Once she calmed I could turn the white noise down and lessen the patting.

As for your EASY I agree that you may want to push that first A time out gradually by maybe adding 10 or 15 mins every few days. Most 4 mo would be on around 1 h 45- 2 hrs of A time so that first A is quite short, assuming that your DS wakes around 7.15 when he first eats. I think that first 45 min nap is probably UT due to the short A time, then because of the short naps he becomes very OT as the day goes on. That OT along with the prop addiction is most likely what is causing your bad nights. To avoid OT as much you can shorten the A time following a short nap, I notice that after his first 45 min short nap he then had an A time of 2.5 hrs which is really long for his age anyway. Once naps get longer you should be able to fall into a pattern of feeding every 3 or 3.5 hrs. I wouldn't worry about moving to a 4 hr EASY just yet until you have extended to 3 or 3.5 hrs first, don't just try to jump straight to 4 hrs, it will probably make things worse right now.

So my advice would be for now 1) try to wean the sleeping on you using shush/pat in your arms and then in the crib. 2) Add about 10 mins every few days on to that first A time and see if that extends the first nap. 3) If you get a short nap shorten the A time afterward to avoid OT and really watch his sleepy signs. 4) Try not to feed more often than every 3 hrs, unless of course DS is clearly hungry before then.

Here to hold your hand all the way hun and things will get better but please think about what I said about the CIO, there are far more gentle ways on you and your DS. HTHs.



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Re: need encouragement- little sleep for mama
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2012, 21:31:55 pm »
Loads of hugs hun... I am just running out the door but wanted to post some love to you!  Believe me when I say that I do know exactly how you feel...

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http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=211289.0

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Re: need encouragement- little sleep for mama
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2012, 04:30:54 am »
Had a chance to read your post - I agree with Bex 100% hun... just needs a push in A times to break that UT/OT cycle and get rid of the horrid OT buildup... push feeds slowly and in a few days, you should be able to get to 3.5 -4 hrs between each feed.

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