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Night wakings-almost 7 month old
« on: April 25, 2012, 14:36:45 pm »
Hi there,

This is my first post on the board, but I've come here a million times with both of my children to search for answers.  I've tried a lot here and am hopeful that maybe a post about our specifics can lead to some of the great advice I appreciate so much.

My daughter is 6 months, 3 weeks.

Here is our daily schedule:
up: 6:15
Breast Feed: 6:30-6:45
Breakfast: 7:30  (cereal and a fruit)
Nap: 8:30 to 10 or 10:30
Breast Feed: 10:30-10:45
We go and pick up the big brother from preschool so lunch only happens on the weekends
Nap: 12:30-2:00
Breast feed: 2:30-2:45
Cat nap: 5:00-5:30
Dinner: 5:30 to 6 (chicken and a vegetable or 2 depending on how hungry she is)
Bath
PJS
Breast Feed 6:30 to 6:45
2 songs and burped
Goes down awake into bed snuggling with a fleece blanket

Her activity time is mostly spent sitting up with some toys now, some tummy time.  We all play together a lot-her, my almost 4 year old and me.  She likes to hold unto fingers and stand.  She is really asking to be entertained these days. 

I'm going to give some early history on her because I think it is pertinent.  She has a bit of a sensitive belly.  When Ramsey was a 2 weeks old she would really fuss after eating and had a hard time falling asleep.  She had horrible gas that would wake her up or keep her from sleeping.  We put her on reflux medicine and that worked a bit, but she had to spend some time sleeping in her bouncy chair just to get to sleep.  If her belly was not bothering her, she could be a great sleeper (12 hours by 8 weeks) but if her belly was upset, we could be up all night.  Gripe water could take it away and close to the 3 month mark I eliminated dairy and nuts which seemed to help.  Her naps could be short so I did some shhh/pat training at the 3 month mark for a few days and by the end of a week I had a baby who was taking long naps and sleeping through the night!  At 4 months, when I tried to get her on the 4 hour schedule, she started waking up randomly and wanting to eat.  At 5.5 months she seemed to not need her reflux medicine any more and in the past few weeks I can eat dairy and nuts and I haven't seen any return of the painful gas that she had. 

The other thing to know about her is that she is a SUPER happy baby when she is awake...attentive, babbling, engaged.  Her tired cues can be tough to read and she doesn't want to leave any of the fun, so naps can be challenging, but in the past 2 weeks she has mastered being able to be laid down and will fuss herself to sleep-most times she is happy in there but occasionally it can be a wail.  I shhh patted her from the time she was 2 weeks old.  Pick up put down is always TOO exciting for her.  Now, if she starts crying I go and check on her, put her down, and then check on her again in 10 minutes if she is still crying. 

So with the introduction of solid foods going well I decided to eliminate night feedings 8 days ago.  She is mainly waking up 1 time a night, but it can be 2 times.  She wakes with a fuss and then goes to a mantra cry generally.  We wait until she is crying.  She cries worse after I leave then she did before I went to her.  For dad she just cries the same.  We re-wrap her swaddle, check her diaper, giver her a kiss and then put her down.  Our week has looked like this:
Day one and 2
she got up around 11 and then slept until 5:45

Day 3
she made it through the night but got up at 5:45, dad entertained her until I fed at 6:20

Day 4
We put her down to bed 20 minutes early and she got up at 11 and went back to sleep after a diaper change and then was up from 3:15-4:15 fussing to crying.  She finally went to sleep when my husband went in instead of me.  With me, she calmed when I picked her up and was pretty bubbly.  With my husband she would not calm no matter how long he held her.  She slept until 6:30 when I woke her up. 

Day 5
she woke up at 12 and went right to sleep when my husband went in to check on her.  She slept until 6:30 when I woke her up.

Day 6
She woke up at 3 but went right to sleep when dad checked on her.  Up at 6:15 on her own.

Day 7
Her naps were both just an hour and 15 mintes during the day.  Up at 3:15 fussed after dad did 2 visits, we checked her diaper and it was poopy.  After we changed it she went back to bed.  Woke up at 6:15 on her own.

Day 8
I wondered if she didn't need more activity time and if that is why she was night waking so I increased her nap time by 15 minutes.  I had to wake her up from both naps at 2 hours 15 minutes.  Her day looked like this:
up 6:15 on own
eat 6:30-6:45
sleep 8:45-11
breast feed 11-11:20
lunch at 12:45
Nap 1:20-3:45
eat-3:45-4
dinner 5:00
bath 6:00
eat 6:25-6:45
bed at 6:45

She was awake at 2:45 until 3:45 fussed for a few minutes, would get quiet and then would cry.  She had scooted her head all the way to the top of the crib bumper though, she was arching her back.  She work up at 5:15 this morning same thing, fuss, quiet, cry and we found her at the top of the crib again. 

So here is my question....  I think I am right not feeding her in the middle of the night.  But I don't know why she is getting up at 2:45.  Is she getting too much day sleep-do I need to start transitioning her to no cat nap?  Is it just a result of me breast feeding her for so long and we need to just keep sending dad in?  The other thing I wonder in my gut is does her belly bother her from food.  I wish I could get her to poop before she sleeps, but sometimes I think that is what is waking her.  She has started spitting up since she has had solids which she hadn't been doing for awhile, but besides that things seem normal.  I know I am over paranoid about her belly but she was in so much pain as a newborn and had such a good scream on her that honestly I am a bit shell shocked by it. 

What do you think?


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Re: Night wakings-almost 7 month old
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2012, 22:02:58 pm »
Hi there,
Great work on the night feed weaning. Sounds like it's going well.
I think your LO is ready for an A time increase :) this will make her more tired by BT to sleep longer without crib parties ;)

I would try increasing those A times by 15 mins each tostartwith, and cap both naps at 2 hrs. I suspect you need to drop the CN too so if you get two good naps I would do early BT and skip the CN.

What do you think?

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Re: Night wakings-almost 7 month old
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 01:26:20 am »
Hi!

I am no expert, but have been dealing with similar issues with my 7 month old (though my ds doesn't take such good naps!).  He has been refusing the CN, despite the fact I felt he needed it (last nap would end at 1 or 2) to make it to a decent bedtime.  We definitely have to put him to sleep at 5 some nights, but he has been awake for 4 hours after his second nap before bedtime with no issues.  This scared me to do, and I was putting him down after 3 hours of being awake, but he would be awake for the last hour in his crib until he fell asleep quietly at the 4 hour mark.  I suppose I am just writing to encourage, and say that things get figured out, but take some playing with!  Good luck!

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Re: Night wakings-almost 7 month old
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2012, 23:19:46 pm »
Thank you!!  After I posted we were able to get her to sleep 3 nights through the night, but she is staying up 4 hours before she goes to bed (which I cannot believe)!!  I'll keep working on getting on getting her naps to equal out through the day-the second nap is just 45 minutes these days which means she is going to bed around 5:30/6:00 but hopefully it won't take too long

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Re: Night wakings-almost 7 month old
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 01:24:27 am »
Good work and good luck :)
Usually 45 min naps are UT so if you can push that A out a bit before it hopefully she will sleep longer and you can reduce the last A to BT to even out her day x
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Re: Night wakings-almost 7 month old
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2012, 09:48:15 am »
Hi again,

So ummm... I am getting myself lost here in this transition. 

This is what yesterday looked like..

Up-5:30, she was quiet in bed and talking to self
5:45 started to cry for me so I changed her diaper
E- 6:00-6:15 (normally her first feed isn't until 6:30 but since she went to bed at 6:00 the previous night I fed her, not sure if I should hold out)
A-play/breakfast at 7:30
Started to yawn/rub eyes at 7:45
S-down at 8:20, talked self to sleep at 8:30
Slept 8:30-9:45
She had a snack (baby sitter) of peaches
Eat on breast -10:45-10:55 (this is 15 min later for her, but sometimes if I put the feeds where I want them, her naps start to line up)
A- play/lunch at 12:00
rub eyes at 12:10
S-down at 12:35, happily talked to sleep
12:45-1:40
Eat- 3:00  (again, this is a little later for her, but she did fine with it)
Played, we tried to walk her for a cat nap at 4:00/4:30 but she didn't take it
5:00-dinner
5:45- extra feeding- (I knew I was going to keep her up later so I gave her this to keep her happier)
bath-6:10
E- 6:40-6:45
S-6:45

today she is awake at 4 am, OT right?  She shares a room with my son so I just have her playing quietly with me  while I try to get him some sleep.

The bath/bedtime is closer to where we were before.  So I know I kept her up later, but I'd really like to get us out of these 5 am wakings.  She has dropped the cat nap and I'll say really quite happy.  My issue is that our day is starting 1.5 hours early.   But what do you do when they start to get up so early? Do you still extend the A time? 

Here is what I'm thinking for today....
Eat-6:30
bfst-7:30
nap-8:45 (if she is going to be up for a 5 hour stretch, why not now instead of the afternoon)
and then the next nap 2.75-3 hrs later (watching for cues) (yesterday's 2nd nap was the longest we've seen in a while). 

I was reading another post and I think I understood the advice to be just to move the 1st nap back 15 minutes at a time and then once that was set to then extend the second A time... is that right?  I've been trying to extend both at the same time...

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Re: Night wakings-almost 7 month old
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2012, 00:05:59 am »
just to move the 1st nap back 15 minutes at a time and then once that was set to then extend the second A time
Yes I would do this, get that first nap out later to encourage a later WU in the morning. But, if you get a good nap 1.5hrs or so I would do a solid second A to the next nap ie 3 or 3hrs15. If you get a short nap then try to APOP to get her back to sleep.

Don't be afraid of an early BT, maybe try as early as 6 to see if it works for you ;)
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