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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2012, 17:30:36 pm »
I know i should probably ask this question in naps but have been trying to move Eli onto routine you outlined- he getting tired at around 1hr50- so currently on 3.5hr easy as cant last the 4
His am nap is usually short at 40-50 mibs but wakes up bright and chirpy. Second nap can vary 40-90 mins- have extended to the 90 with some success, afternoon naps hace resulted in serious meltdown of baby and mummy for last 5 days- only sleeps 30 mins and screams for rest of nap time whilst i try to pu/pd with no success- works at other times - shush patting now just seems to anger him (again last few days). Had to give him to Daddy this pm and leave room was finding it so awful- he screamed for a couple of mins then calmed down and was giggling- but wont feed properly now - please can someone help? What am i doing wrong??
Pu/pd- was already waking when i got to room- ititially mantra cry so observed when it escalated i pucked him up and popped him back down as soon as he stopped screaming- he started again and again- think am doing this right but gave up just before next feed time.  Which is most important- feeding or sleeping on the routine- wondered if hungry amd that why wouldnt go back down- but ate poorly when offered!  Overtired?? Should i try 3hr easy at end of day and reduce his waking time that way??
I dont know what to do-
Today so far;
Awake 0730 ( overslept as bad night- up 3 times and slept through alarm)
E 0730-0810
S 0906-1007. Awake and chirpy - played to delay feed time.
E 1036-1109
S 1228-1316, then pupd slept 1335-1352
E 1416-1446
S 1554-1630 - tried pupd for 50 mins -dirty nappy so change then required
Given to daddy
E 1730-1750 - v fussy

Plan to split top up feed at 1830, bath, other side feed, then bed by 2000 latest.
Advice again- am trying so hard and this is making us both v miserable.

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2012, 23:29:54 pm »
please can someone help? What am i doing wrong??
You're not doing anything wrong, I think he's in an UT/OT loop and it's much harder to settle an OT baby in the late afternoon. You said that he gets tired around 1 hr 50 min, but the first A today was only 1 hr 30 min. He gave an hour nap, so likely he was a bit UT for that one. Then, the next A time as 2 hr 20 min, way too long after just an hour nap, so he woke and you resettled (which is great, btw). It still wasn't a full nap, though, so the next 2 hr A time was likely a bit much again and he just ended up fighting you. It's happened here many a time. :-\ I'd really try to work on getting him to at least 1 hr 45 A in the morning. If he gives a short nap, watch him closely as you may need to cut back the next A. It's different for all babies, but my general rule of thumb is, if the nap is 45 min or shorter, cut the next A by 30 min; if the nap is more like 1-1:20, cut by 10-15 min.

Which is most important- feeding or sleeping on the routine- wondered if hungry amd that why wouldnt go back down- but ate poorly when offered!  Overtired?? Should i try 3hr easy at end of day and reduce his waking time that way??
At this age and with his history, I'd say feeding is more important. Tracy advises to only try and extend a nap until the next feeding time, and actually with two kids, I only ever try for 15-20 min now. For the initial PUPD, you try for 45 min, take a break and then go try again. I don't know why he would be feeding poorly, do you think he's feeling ok? And yes, you can go down to a 3 hr EASY near the end of the day, it's kind of like I described above with reducing the A times.

This is tough work, I'm sorry you've both been miserable. Take him out for a walk in the stroller in the afternoon if you have another really tough day. He might just drop off for a bit and the fresh air helps everyone. (((Hugs)))
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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2012, 04:54:28 am »
Thankyou. Will watch those A times more!! Assume I leave the feed times as is ??

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2012, 05:14:47 am »
Pu/pd- was already waking when i got to room- ititially mantra cry so observed when it escalated i pucked him up and popped him back down as soon as he stopped screaming- he started again and again- think am doing this right but gave up just before next feed time.
I wouldn't be doing PUPD unless shush/pat or some variation is not working, especially if you're going to stop and feed him without him falling back to sleep first. It reinforces the message that he will get fed if he cries for long enough and that will make future sleep training much harder. With PUPD, baby uses a lot of energy too and you don't want him expending that amount of energy when he's only just started gaining good amounts of weight after having such trouble.
I'd try shush/pat to resettle (maybe a variation like just singing and holding your hand on him or stroking his face). Frankly, with DS, I resettled OT nap wakings and just got him up and reduced the next A time when he woke UT because it was so hard to resettle UT naps.

Part of the key to this is to relax too. I had such trouble whe I was working really hard at keeping the routine and once I pretty much gave up and followed the general principles, things went much better. Don't worry too much about getting things wrong a bit here and there, you being relaxed will help Eli relax and fall into routine more easily.

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2012, 07:10:25 am »
Shush pat doesn't work unfortunately- it used to, even modified versions seem to wind him up!!!
I thought I was supposed to stop and feed if pupd encroached on feeding time then keep activity quiet and keep awake until next a time over!
Will try and sort A times, retry shushing and pupd if fails again. Will try to relax.

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2012, 07:45:00 am »
Yeah, I think you are supposed to do that for the day, hun but TBH, given he's so small still, I wouldn't.

Does he settle if you PU and hold? Just getting used to sleeping longer is going to take time after this 2hrly feeding thing.

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2012, 02:35:25 am »
Yes- picking him up settles him most of the time.
We had a mixed day yesterday- stuck to 1h45 A times for first 2 naps- self soothed from awake in cot- woke at 45, self soothed again and did 90 each time- in fact I had to wake him on secind nap.  However we had to nip out for some shopping, got timing wrong as started to yawn in supermarket- nodded off on way home- was asleep 8 mins in car seat, woke himself tjen would not go back down- screamed with shushing, wide awake so didnt pupd- took him to his room for quiet play after 40 mins- happy and chirpy- fed him at next feeding time and still perky- did bath and just started to get cranky just before his feed- had been awake nearly 4hrs at that point- beside self. But settled himself again in less than 5mins- and apart from some minor whinging at 2330- he has just woken for first time- best night for 2weeks!!!!!
Plan of action: aim for 1h45 wake times for first 2 naps as suggested, but reduce a time to roughly 1h30 for 3rd nap- shorter if necessary - and see how we do! Will still have a longer A time before bed but will work on juggling it to reduce.
Will retry shushing again and see if i can find something that works

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2012, 04:17:05 am »
Yay for the self settling and the good night! ;D It sounds like you've got a good plan of action too. I'd be careful about letting that A get too long before bed, though, as that is likely where OT can creep in and make for a tougher night. Is there a reason why you think that 3rd A needs to be shorter? If you can keep it at 1 hr 45 and reduce the A time to bed, I think that would probably be best. But, all LOs are different!  Keep us posted! :)



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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2012, 06:17:41 am »
Yesterday he got cranky and tired around 1h30 mark- perhaps will try calmer activities and see if we can lengthen!!! I need husband home to bath him ( i have long term back issues and cant get him out by myself as too heavy (hoorah!!) hence fixed bedtime, will attempt some fiddling as suggested and see!!
We did 2000-0314, feed,  0350-0700 last night- bit of a shock and some engorgement but taken really good feed this am so v pleased!

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2012, 09:03:33 am »
Yeah, I don't think that's too bad, he's going ok with 1hr45 for the first 2 A times and may just need a few days adjusting to that before you push the third one out...

Nice night :)

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2012, 12:30:24 pm »
Gotcha, good point by Bec as well. That was a great night! ;D Keep up the good work.



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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2012, 00:39:48 am »
Had his jabs today- And we are up already with no sign going back down- wide awake amd jittery- have given some calpol, fed him, settled as well as can- think is going to he a rough one.
Naps did not go to plan today either- put him down after first yawn at 0830- full meltdown and overtired crowing and finally settled by self at 0900- managed 1h6 . Next nap went into got at 1200 after first yawn, asleep 1215, awake 40 mins in, soothed self, awake 49minutes - would not go back down!  Jabs were at 1425, he just nodded off for 1-2 mins as we pilled into drive- took him upstairs, tried to keep it liw key and popped him into bed awake at 1450- asleep after 30 mins but only for 30 mins, and could not settle. Allowed him a 30 min cat nap at 1730 ( he fell asleep on my shoulder without me noticing- v sudden!!)but was v off colour and clingy all pm.
Guess we try to get through night without accidental patenting, hope calpol does its thing and try again tomorrow. Fingers crossed.

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2012, 01:20:20 am »
Let him sleep as much as he needs while his immune system is working on the vaccinations. He'll feel like he's ill because his body is fighting.

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2012, 04:01:03 am »
Calpol did its thing and wasnt up again last night- didnt feed well yesterday so guess is why up twice already ( bed at 0810, up 0150 and 0450) - naps going so much better- thankyou!!!
Hopefully we can settle back to 1 night feed soon - once he is over jabs maybe!

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Re: NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2012, 07:58:47 am »
Yeah, a little extra TLC is required when they've had their jabs :) You'll get him back on track, you're off to a great start!