Desperate for sleep. 7 months and nw's every 1.5 :(

[katie80]

(((Hugs))), hon. I think the routine adjustment will help. Keep us posted.

[timmysmommy]

Ok, so here was today
6:30 EW tried to nurse her back to sleep- not successful
9:30-11:30 nap
2:15-3:00 nap in car
6:30 bedtime
7:30 back up.

So every time I've tried to do Bt after 12-13 hrs, she wakes back up as if Bt was cn.  I tried to resettle, but it didn't work. 

Thoughts?

[katie80]

Hmmm, strange. I can't say that's ever happened to me. How does she wake up, happy or upset? And, you go to resettle and what happens, she's just awake? Can you leave her to it?

Usually, I'd say a wakeup an hour after BT is OT and it was definitely a longer A time after only a 45 min nap. But, if this is a pattern for her in terms of waking when the day is 12/13 hr long, there might be something to it. I'd keep up with the routine for now and see if she doesn't settle into it better (give it 3 days to a week) and then let's reassess.

[timmysmommy]

She wakes up crying.  If I don't go in, she goes into a rage cry really quickly.  I try to resettle by responding as. Quickly as possible and holding back to sleep, but I'm not usually successful.  She is very awake!

I got her back to sleep finally at 9:45, so she had a 15 hr day.  She woke at 1, I fed.  She woke at 4:30.  I did pd until 5, then I fed her back to sleep.  She woke again 10 min later.  I told DH I just didn't have the patience, so he got up with her.  I told him to do pd.  Instead he picked up, and held her back to sleep.

Then, DS woke up screaming, and woke up dd.  I went in and gave dd some meds in case it was pain bothering her.  I did pd a few times, while DH put DS back to bed.  So about 6 am, I went back to bed, and DH got up for the day.  Dd slept until 8:20 when DS woke her up.

I'll keep shortening the second nap for awhile.  Maybe I'll try for a 13.5 hr day today- closer to her normal 14 hr day and bring her back slowly over a few days?  That puts bt at 10 pm tonight.  DS fell asleep on the way home from the store, so he'll have a late Bt too.

I've tried feeding again at nw's to see if she sleeps longer, and I am a bit concerned about my supply.  I'll try medicating tonight to see if teething is the issue.  During her long nw, she just kept jolting awake.

Please tell me that someday I will have a few minutes in the evenings with both kids asleep, and a full uninterrupted night of sleep ahead of me!!

[becj86]

She wakes up crying.  If I don't go in, she goes into a rage cry really quickly.  I try to resettle by responding as. Quickly as possible and holding back to sleep, but I'm not usually successful.  She is very awake!

That definitely sounds like OT.

I do wonder how she'd go if you were pretty much ready the night before, got up, fed and out the door and played in the morning - wherever, maybe make it T's choice or something and bring her home in time for that first nap (maybe even transfer from the car if she falls asleep there )? To me, it sounds a bit like she's tacking. I know technically she's not with a decent first A time and all that, but is she reasonably (as much as a spirited can be ) subdued/quiet in the morning after she gets up?
Clutching at straws here, Amy...

Hugs!

[becj86]

Oh, and having read your posts on Anna's thread, I do think there's something to getting her to do the work of getting to sleep herself (with assurance, of course!). Logan always slept/resettled better when he was sleeping in the same place he'd fallen asleep - nothing changed from when he fell asleep the first time to when he roused, so all was safe and secure, and he settled more easily, yk?

[timmysmommy]

Bec- I do think she is tacking.  I also think she is wanting mommy to do the work.  She is never subdued or quiet lol!  She is GROUCHY in the morning after her short nights. 

I tried for a 13.5 hr day yesterday.  I just stayed in her room  singing, talking, and coaxing her until she finally sat, and then laid down and was out.  Usually I have to do pd for awhile before she settles.  She stayed asleep - yay, had her two nf's went back to sleep fine, but had an ew at 6:00.

I am going to try to get out this morning and try a 3.5 hr A time instead of 3, and perhaps shorten her first nap too, try for two 1.5 hr naps, and a bit shorter A time before bed.  I am a bit concerned about my supply which is why I started feeding at night.  I'm going to try to pump again today and see if there has been any difference with some things I've been trying.

I'm gasping at straws too- which is why I started a thread on Easy thinking I must be missing something. 

[katie80]

Amy, I agree with Bec.  It does sound like OT and I think that having her settle herself more and more will help a lot.  G is much more textbook than spirited, but even in the last couple nights as he's been ill, I've ended up picking him up and holding him back to sleep and he is *hard* to get back down.  Otherwise, he settles really well with just a PD and my sleepy phrase.

[becj86]

This thread will now be locked to keep all Amy's routine advice in the one place. To keep providing support and advice, please post on this thread: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=233521.0