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What's going on here? Some help please :(
« on: October 05, 2012, 13:12:21 pm »
Hi!

So basically my son keeps waking at 3-4am every day now for about a week. He had been sick so I tied it all to that. But now after, he's still doing it.

The thing is though, that he wakes and just babbles or hangs out. The problem is that, he won't go back to sleep! Yes I've stayed up to see! And come 5:00am or so he's crying and cranky all morning. By the end of his 2nd nap in the day he's so moody and cranky! It's driving us nuts bc we don't know what the heck is going on. We have resorted to EBT but sometimes refuses and cries or tks hrs to fall asleep but remains quiet and calm in his crib. And then will still will EW and it's just crazy.

His EASY is a bit inconsistent. It had seemed before he got sick he was going through 2-1 nap adjustment with the long morning nap but resisting or even skipping his afternoon nap. But he got sick and is now faithfully taking 2 naps again. It's usually one shorter one and one long one. Here it is "more or less"

WU: 3-4am (up for the day at least we try by 6:00)

E
A
S 9:00-10:00/10:30 (lately.....)

E
A
S 1:30/2:00-3:00/3:30

BT asleep by 7:00 lately

Like I said, his mood after his pm nap is crazy. So either his OT frm such a long day or teething or something.

What's going on here? How can we fix that EW? I'm getting scared here bc we are about to go through that time change soon and our clocks go back an hour and i don't  know what I'm gna do bc lord knows we've done 5ams so long...but with this 3am going on..... But then 2! Baah! What's happening here?
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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2012, 13:14:14 pm »
BTW jr is 13mths old now
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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2012, 00:27:49 am »
Ewww, yikes... that's terribly early. (((Hugs)))  I'm assuming he isn't sick anymore?  It could be teeth bothering him. Have you medicated at all?

I think the main thing is he's getting too much day sleep if he's better now. With two naps at this age, I think the most you should probably allow is 2-2.5hr.

What if you did something like this...
WU 3-4am
Nap 1 9-9:30 am
Nap 2 12:30-2:30 pm
BT 6:30 pm

And then gradually move it forward as the WU hopefully gets later. You could also try to go in and do w2s around 2am and see if that helps, but he still needs a bit of a cut in daytime sleep.

Don't worry about the clocks too much yet (I know that's easier said than done), but we're still a month out here and a lot can change in a month.



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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2012, 02:12:42 am »
thank you for the help!

no hes not sick anymore... but hes so crabby and upset especially and MOST after his last nap. his ATs are short but do you think because he needs to catch up? could this be some BAD OT from when he was sick last week? and he actually didnt do too bad in his nights for being sick.

yes we do medicate before bedtime. so i dont know whats up there!

i know im trying not to worry about the clocks but i am dreading it! baaah!

and also, when he wakes at night, he doesnt cry or anything you know? he cries after being awake 2hours or so and then hes OT.

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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2012, 02:30:19 am »
could this be some BAD OT from when he was sick last week?
It could be, but if he had those two naps for a few days in a row, I'd think that would be enough to catch him up. :-\

yes we do medicate before bedtime. so i dont know whats up there!
Have you tried giving some at the beginning of the waking and seeing if it helps him go back to sleep? Or try a dream med at 1-2ish? If he's working on molars, they can cause disruption throughout the night.

and also, when he wakes at night, he doesnt cry or anything you know?
I guess that's what makes me think it's too much daytime sleep. 



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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2012, 03:51:53 am »
oh ok i see what you mean.

he was actually coming upon 2-1 and resisting the pm nap after a long morning but then he got sick and since then takes 2 long decent naps. ive had like 1 or 2 days when he did a short am nap and a long pm or 2 short ones etc. but never consistently.

what has been consistent is the NW and staying awake!

well the thing about crazy jr is that if you go into his room at all to soothe, even for 1 sec....its hell after that and he cries worse and screams hysterically. dont know why but its always been that way. WI/WO was horrible for us but it worked....eventually. haha. 

anyways, i never considered a dream med. im  terrified to wake and have him yell when i leave :o

lol. hes crazy. thats why i havent tried when he wakes quietly either. but i mean if it was teeth, he will cry upon waking from previous experiences. omg molars at 13mths! dont scare me!  :o lol!

agh im so thrown on what this could be. i mean, if he wasnt OT then why is it that hes so grouchy after his 2nd nap everyday? even if i give meds then and fed and 2 good naps...hes just a mess. and always late afternoons only. like 3-4 when he wakes.
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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2012, 07:00:47 am »
if he wasnt OT then why is it that hes so grouchy after his 2nd nap everyday? even if i give meds then and fed and 2 good naps...hes just a mess. and always late afternoons only. like 3-4 when he wakes.

I think he's in an UT/OT loop hun - if he's awake for the day at 3am, then he'd be ready to end his day at 3/4pm iyswim - so he gets OT from the long days and short nights, but because he's napping so much he can't sleep longer at night - and the cycle continues. Night sleep is more restorative than day sleep, and he's not getting that night sleep. I agree with Katie that you need to cut the daytime sleep, and your best bet for getting rid of the EWs is a short am nap and longer pm nap. If he's tired at the end of the day, I'd be trying to catch him up with an EBT rather than longer naps. xx
« Last Edit: October 06, 2012, 07:02:24 am by Papaya »
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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2012, 15:03:44 pm »
Makes sense!

But if I cap tht morning nap, won't he be grouchy and moody bc he's OT frm the morning stretch?
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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2012, 15:17:05 pm »
Quite possibly - so I'd keep the second A nice and short for the first few days. Maybe only 2-2.5hrs until the WU moves forward. The thing with a capped first nap is that it's meant to discourage the EWs - so LO probably will be really tired and grumpy when you wake him, but you want his body clock to realise he needs to sleep later in the mornings.

If once you're capping the naps he's really really tired in the afternoon, I would honestly consider a once-off super early bedtime - like 5pm. I really think if you can get a couple of nights that are closer to 10hrs, even if he is still waking ridiculously early, it'll be much easier to start pushing the day out without him getting too OT.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2012, 15:29:24 pm by Papaya »
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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2012, 23:36:18 pm »
I agree... with everything Nuala has said. :)



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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2012, 14:35:17 pm »
What do you mean once off BT?

U know ive done ebt like 5:30 and they do help and didn't really do much to his WU time.

How long should I try and do all this?

it all mks perfect sense! Thanks so much :D

His afternoons are so awful too. Blah :(
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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2012, 15:11:34 pm »
By once-off I mean just do that super early bedtime for one day, or perhaps two. I'd be looking at the length of night as well as the WU - so putting him to bed at 5.30pm and he wakes at 3.30am is MUCH better than if he wakes at the same time but had gone to bed at 7. He'll be better rested to be able to deal with the capped am nap the next day and you should start to see the WU creep gradually later :)
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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2012, 16:49:49 pm »
Ok I'm going to give it a try. He's angry when I wake him.

:-/ lol!

How long should I give it a go (:
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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2012, 19:50:24 pm »
How long should I give it a go
Do you mean super EBT or changing the routine?  I think super EBT, just a day or two like Nuala said (I'd do up to 3 if really needed, as it can take a few days to get caught up), but you don't want him to get stuck there.  I think the nap cut needs to be more permanent, in order to get onto a better routine and drop the EW for good.  Does that answer your question?

And yep, he's likely not going to be happy when you wake him, but neither of you want to keep getting up so early, so just tell him it's really for his own good. ;)



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Re: What's going on here? Some help please :(
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2012, 00:38:12 am »
Yes I meant how long I should try this new routine :)

Yes ur right and thanks for the help! Wish us luck!!
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