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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2012, 17:10:06 pm »
Well that was the crabbiest 3 hours I've experienced in a long time.  Fighting the 1pm nap.  Wide awake.
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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2012, 18:33:35 pm »
Mjaz, I've been following your thread. I think we have twins separated at birth...Hugs, hugs, hugs...
My DS is a terrible sleeper/napper as well. I hope he went down for you but if he's anything like my Matty, he is likely running around your house now cranky and an OT mess...
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Hang in there...have some chocolate and/or wine...
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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2012, 20:06:06 pm »
Thanks Mattsmummy ;)

He did an hour, got him back woke again after 15, got him back, slept another 45.  We shall see how the night goes, I guess.  Not sure if that nap was OT or UT...
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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2012, 21:49:08 pm »
I know.  I forgot to mention that I have to take DS1 to school at 9am.  So I raced back and got him down as fast as I could :/. So hard.


Car nap  ???

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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2012, 22:18:21 pm »
Preschool is 30 seconds away...
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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2012, 09:17:57 am »
Preschool is 30 seconds away...


Oh  ::) not one of my better ideas then.

How was the night Hun  ??? Things are always much harder when there are 2 LO's to consider, I know.x.



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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2012, 11:42:19 am »
I was hopeful last night bc he went to sleep easily at 7 and I hadn't heard a peep out of him when I went to bed.  But he was up 2:30, 3, 3:30 and then up for good at 5:30 :/. Do you think he was UT!?!  I considered putting him down at 7:30 - but was wary of a 14 hour day...  Thank you!
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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2012, 12:47:09 pm »
Do you think he was UT!?!  I considered putting him down at 7:30 - but was wary of a 14 hour day...  Thank you!

OT Honey, and you're right to worry about a 14 hour day. Okay so I just reviewed the whole thread and here's my thoughts. Every day you're flying by the seat of yoru pants and there is no consistency for E. This is absolutely not a criticism because it's just the way things happen when WU differs and NW are at play but usually when it gets this way nothing improves so I am going to suggest you start tomorrow on a 1 nap routine and stick with it until it takes hold. You have another LO to consider which makes the daily changes hard to handle.

When our Son Sam was 12 months the same thing happened and short am/long pm and anything else I tried didn't work so I pushed him through. He was waking consistently at 5am so it can be done. Here's what we did..........

WU 5.00

Nap 10.00 to between 11.00 and 1.00...differing every day but starting out at around 1.15 length.

BT 6 hours maximum from nap as early as 5pm on occasion. But always keeping his day to 13 hours maximum no matter what nap length. He had NEVER  tacked until this point. If LO was to go down at 6pm and EW at say 4am then it is a NW and the earlier they wake the easier it is to get them back over IYKWIM  ??? Personally I went for a 5 hour set A time to start with but when WU got later I was able to allow his A time to be shorter and within 2 weeks he was doing this:

6am WU

11.00 to 1.00 nap like clockwork  :)

7pm BT

What do you think Hun  ??? Remember also that if he goes to bed at say 5.30 and wakes at 5.30 he will have had a 12 hour night putting him in a much better position to handle the next morning and be less OT for a hopefully longer nap.

It does sound like teething may be at play too so IIWM I would give him meds as soon as you can during NW.

I know you're wary of EBT Hun and I know all our LO's are different but I really recommend you go for it. You will feel better having a plan.

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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2012, 16:52:09 pm »
Thanks Vicki.  I agree.  We had such a good, solid routine and now it's all a mushed up mess.  So you think a set A time of 5 hours in the am?  I can do that... I'm willing to try whatever you say :). Thank you.
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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2012, 17:43:46 pm »
My pleasure Hun.

So you think a set A time of 5 hours in the am?

Well to be honest, Sam sometimes only made it to 4.5 over the first week, so even though I say set A times, if you get a better WU time you can go with 4.5, I hope that makes sense. You see if WU is say 5.30 instead of 5 then a 4.5 A time can often achieve roughly the same WU time from the nap as a 5 hour but you haven't had to push LO so far. I hope that makes sense. So for us set A times were flexible by 30 mins depending on how well/badly Sam was coping. The main point being that when WU improves it can very quickly all fall into place and suddenly you're time table is no longer running so early, so achieving a long restorative night is key and then the longer naps tend to follow. HTH.


I'm willing to try whatever you say .

Aaaagh now I REALLY hope it works  ;)

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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2012, 17:12:23 pm »
I will let you know how the plan goes tomorrow.  Today we went to visit friends 45 min away - so the naps are all off.  Last night wasn't good though and he was up at 5am.  Gave meds at 1 - didn't seem to matter :(
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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2012, 22:27:20 pm »
Okay Hun, everything X'd the routine takes hold quickly.x.



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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2012, 14:56:59 pm »
I'm at the end of my rope.  He was up all night, and up for good at 5am though I did my best to APOP.  Put him down at 10 for a nap.  He woke at the 40 mm.  Took me 10 to get him back.  It's like he's forgotten how to sleep and I can't figure out how the hell to catch him up.
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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2012, 15:09:22 pm »
Aww...that sucks. Hugs...
Are you medicating before bt? I wish I had some advice to offer, but we are struggling with our own right now.

My DS is a horrible teether. He will suffer at least a month before any signs of a tooth are apparent. I printed off a tooth chart that shows when each tooth comes in.

I always give a bit of tylenol or advil before bed along with Camillia - which is an herbal teething solution which has helped to settle him and decrease the restlessness.

I'm sure you've thought of it but could he be suffering from ear/tummy pain? Is he eating ok? Has there been any change in your house with your routines? Just spit balling but you never know what can disrupt their routines...

I'll watch to see what Vicki says...
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Re: 14 mo sleep a mess - don't understand change at all
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2012, 16:10:00 pm »
Thanks. We've tried medicating.  Doesn't see to make difference.  The only thing I can think of - don't think it's medical at all - he's a happy camper most of the day - is that we've been incredibly stressed lately.  We had to put our dog to sleep vet suddenly several weeks ago and our house is on the market... My gut says he's so overtired that he's just caught in a vicious cycle.

He did have that short wake at 40 mm, but haven't heard from him since and he's at the 2 hr mark now.  Please God!  Lol.
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