First nw one week into 2-1. Was going good til now..

[jenn1975]

Hi ladies. We are one week into the 2-1 with my 14.5 month old. It has been going mostly well. Short naps the first few days but two hrs for two days in a row and an hour 45 min today. Plus 11.5 hrs or more at night. His A time in the am is 5 hrs and his A time before bed has been 5.5 hrs. BT is 6:30-6:45.

His mood has been mostly good. Not much in the way of grumpiness.

So right now as I write this he's been awake for over an hour and it's 3am here in Arizona! He's quiet and hasn't made a peep just wide eyed and sits up here and there then lays down. I only noticed he was up when I woke to use the restroom.

When I put him down tonight I felt he wasn't tired enough. Took 20 min to fall asleep but again no fuss just took awhile.

Are nw during the 2-1 always ot? Are they sometimes ut?

What should I do with his schedule? More a time or less? I felt like it had been going so well. I'm trying to avoid the ot cycle. Thank you for any help!

We decided to finally do the transition after 4 months of having to cap naps and sometimes night sleep in order to keep two naps. Bt kept getting later and later and the final straw was four nights in a row of only 10.5 hrs of night sleep (close to an hr less than normal).

In the last week his overall amount of sleep has increased by 30 min to an hour in a 24 hr period. That's why I'm considering ut?

Also, I'm really jennfl but was unable to login so I had to reregister.

[jenn1975]

Two hours later and he's still up. Went in and gave him water and he drank a ton. He cried a min when I laid him back down but I patted him and left. He's calm and quiet just awake! Pops up here and there but lays back down. Of course I can't sleep either now.

There is a full moon.... Or maybe a tooth coming in? Good lord how long do these nws last? This one is loong!

[*Becky*]

Are nw during the 2-1 always ot? Are they sometimes ut?

can def be UT if they are still on 2 naps but unlikely if he is on 1 and just transitioned.

Could you post your routine in EAS format for the last 2 days...

I have to say full moons do weird things to DS's sleep and always have done but it is more likely developmental, OT or a tooth!

[jenn1975]

Thank you for the fast reply! Yes we are still up! This is nuts! Going on three hours! He's awake but not unhappy in there. Laying quietly.
Aren't ot wakings associated with crying and grumpiness?

He's had only one nap for one week now.

Last two days,

Wake 6:10-6:30
Nap 11:30 for two hours
Asleep 6:30-6:45

Now he's up crying. Going in there to change him and give ibuprofen.

[*Becky*]

Aren't ot wakings associated with crying and grumpiness?

generally but not always...
I would say it is probably down to the change in routine, it can do strange things sometimes. Hope he sleeps soon!

[jenn1975]

Do you think it's ot or ut at all? He still hasn't settled and its 5:45am. Both his dad and I have gone in even gave him milk. He seems more riled up since we went in. Crying off and on. No fever. This has never happened with him. Even when he's sick. He always goes right back down.

Does the schedule look ok? Have to do two naps today probably since he's still up.

Sorry this is just uncharted territory for us. Thank you for any help!

[Papaya]

So right now as I write this he's been awake for over an hour and it's 3am here in Arizona! He's quiet and hasn't made a peep just wide eyed and sits up here and there then lays down. I only noticed he was up when I woke to use the restroom.

My LO did exactly this in the first couple of weeks we first transitioned to one nap - it happened several times, and she's in our room so I always knew. I had no idea WHAT to do - I would be lying there wide awake and afraid to move in case she realised I was awake too

My best guess was that it was either a wee bit of OT/adjusting to new routine, or teeth (which were moving at the time) - enough to keep her awake, but not so much that she was really in pain, yk? Or both. Prior to that, I had always assumed happy NWs were UT, but these definitely weren't. Once she settled into the one nap routine a bit more, they stopped happening.

Sorry, that's not really any help - but hugs! I think your schedule looks fine - so hopefully tonight was just a  once-off.

xx

[jenn1975]

Thank you again ladies. He finally settled at six. Up for four hours! He did cry quite a bit toward the end but I'm sure it was him being riled up from us going in.

How late do I let him sleep? I'm thinking 8 or so? I just got an hour myself but he's still sleeping. It's 7:45am.

He went from a 13 hour day to a 12 hour day now that we're on one nap. I'm really wondering if its ut? Do I hold still before increasing his A times?

Thanks so much ladies!!!

[jennfl]

Just a quick update.  He woke this morning at 8:15am after falling asleep finally at 6am.  He only woke because the dog barked.  Then he was asleep for his nap at 11:50, but only slept for 1.5hrs.  OT?

It's 6:35pm here now, and I'm pretty sure he's asleep now.  Again, his mood today was fine for the most part. 

Would I expect to see monster like behavior if he was OT?  Also, do you ladies know about the Wonder Weeks?  I swear by them and just happened to look it up today to see if he was in one or not.  Sure enough, at 64 weeks there's another developmental leap!  He's 63.6 weeks according to the age calculator.  Hopefully that was it.  I'm so scared of getting into the OT spiral.

Thanks again for your help.

Just for clarification, jennfl and jenn1975 are both me.  I couldn't log on here last night from my iphone, so I created a new account. 

[*Becky*]

Also, do you ladies know about the Wonder Weeks?  I swear by them and just happened to look it up today to see if he was in one or not.  Sure enough, at 64 weeks there's another developmental leap!  He's 63.6 weeks according to the age calculator.  Hopefully that was it.  I'm so scared of getting into the OT spiral.

sounds very much like WW behaviour.....that was why I thought developmental as it was so out of the blue.
I hope your nights are better and you don't have any repeats of that!

[jenn1975]

Oh boy I'm not sure where to go from here or what the deal is.

So let me list what's gone on and I hope to figure this out.

First weird four hour waking, next day nap at 12:10 for only 1.5 hours. In bed sleeping at 6:35pm and slept 12.5 hours! Woke at 7am. So did nap yesterday at 12. He woke an hour and 20 min into the nap test and fussed but went back to sleep for 40 more mins so two hr nap. Up at 2.

Bed last night at 7:15pm but woke with shout out cry at 5:30am just a bit ago but is now laying in there perfectly quiet but wide awake for the last 30 mins! Is this definitely ot? Again, even with all this craziness he's getting more hrs of sleep in 24 hrs then he was on two naps.

Do I keep with one nap or go back to two on days when he wakes this early? Are his A times too long?

Thank you in advance!

[jenn1975]

Real quick update. He laid in his crib quiet but wide awake til almost 7am. I got him up. Just don't know where to go with the day now. I hate to go back to two naps

[*Becky*]

I would stick with 1 for now and see if you can work through it. We have had the exact same since transitioning, their body clocks are all over the place as they are getting used to 1 nap. I would aim for an 11am nap and hope for the best. You may need to do an EBT.

[jennfl]

Ok Becky.  Thank you.  I hope you start seeing improvement as well!  How old is your LO?

His dad had him asleep for his nap at 11, so just like you suggested.  He's been asleep for almost an hour and a half.  We'll hope for the best.

Would 6:30BT be considered early enough?  Also, does their overall sleep increase in the beginning of the 2-1?  He slept 13 hrs in a 24 hour period before, now he's getting more.

Sorry for all the questions. 

[*Becky*]

DD is 18 months....
If he naps 2 hours then I would aim to have him asleep for 6.30pm but it may need to be earlier if he sleeps less. I have also found that DD cannot handle 13 hour days BUT she really struggles with OT which is why we have only just transitioned!

Also, does their overall sleep increase in the beginning of the 2-1?  He slept 13 hrs in a 24 hour period before, now he's getting more.

I have also found this....think it is quite normal.