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Offline bluefin

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Having a hard time settling at night
« on: December 23, 2012, 15:46:04 pm »
Hi ladies - I'm new here. I have a 4.5 month old son who has been fighting sleep since he was about 4 weeks old. It feels like it's been an uphill battle and there are days it seems like we take one step forward, but two steps back. I'm going to try and summarize what we've been doing as best as I can.

His natural WU seems to be between 8:30 AM and 9:15 AM. I've tried "waking him up" at 8:30 AM on days that he sleeps past that, but I don't know if that's the right thing to do or not. No matter what time he wakes up, he will NOT eat as soon as he wakes. I usually have to wait another 30 - 60 minutes before he's interested in eating. That makes moving him on an EASY schedule kind of challenging. He is EBF. His eating recently has been all over the place. At times he will go 3ish hours between feeds, but other times he seems hungrier sooner. He's been VERY distracted while nursing lately, so I've been trying to limit nursing sessions to a quiet and dark room but sometimes he'll still get distracted at the shadows on the ceiling or wall.

His A time between naps is around 1:45. He had been napping for only 35 - 45 minutes, but I think we are making progress on that front by extending his A time slightly by 15 min (previously his A time was 1:30). We have broken him of the swaddle in the past few days (was breaking free on his own and is close to rolling from back to tummy) and yesterday he took 2, 1.5 - 2 hour naps and a 3rd evening catnap of 35 minutes. Our nap routine usually consists of diaper change and arms out swaddle/sleep sack and lay him down in his crib. If he doesn't go to sleep right away, we will bounce him on an exercise ball until he is relaxed (but still awake) and then lay him back in his crib and either bounce the mattress or shush/pat him until he drifts off. If he does wake early, I have had some luck with repeating the bouncing and shush/pat to get him to extend his nap, although it doesn't always work. He has fallen asleep 100% on his own a handful of times without any extra effort on our part, but usually he still requires some assistance.

Night time has been awful lately. Based on his WU, I figure BT should be around 9 PM. It's usually not an issue of getting him to sleep at that time, it's that he will wake 35 - 60 min after it and FIGHT sleep for the next few hours (last night until 12 AM). He falls asleep, wakes up crying, we resettle, falls asleep, wake up crying, etc. Our BT routine is diaper/pajamas, story, feed, bed. 2 or 3 times a week we will do a bath/diaper/pajamas, but everything else remains the same. Our night time ritual is about the same to get him to sleep. We give him the opportunity to go to sleep on his own and when he starts crying we will bounce him until he's calm and then put him into the crib and bounce the mattress or shush/pat him. He also is unswaddled at night (recent) and at times does seem to try and find his hands to comfort himself. We do not give him a paci as he's never taken one. Once we get him asleep he's usually pretty good (for example, after he fell asleep at midnight last night he slept until 6:00 AM before needing a feed. I fed/changed him and he went back down until 9:15 AM).

I guess what I am looking to know is how to solve our night issues. How do I get him to STAY asleep after I put him down for bed? Is my routine OK? To get him on an EASY routine do I focus on BT or WU? Do I need to wake him up at a certain time every day if he doesn't naturally wake?

TIA!

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2012, 03:24:15 am »
Hi there!
Night time has been awful lately. Based on his WU, I figure BT should be around 9 PM. It's usually not an issue of getting him to sleep at that time, it's that he will wake 35 - 60 min after it and FIGHT sleep for the next few hours (last night until 12 AM). He falls asleep, wakes up crying, we resettle, falls asleep, wake up crying, etc.
This sounds to me like he may be overtired.  I think he might naturally need to go to bed a little bit earleir and not be quite so tired when he goes to bed.  I think that if you can get a solid stretch of sleep in him, he might naturally wake a little bit earlier and then you'd put him to bed a little earlier -- seems like one is causing the other and he's getting OT as a result.

I'd continue stretching your A times as you have been doing to try to get some longer naps out of him.  It's great that you've had luck resettling him, it seems like you're on the right track there. 

Do I need to wake him up at a certain time every day if he doesn't naturally wake?
I never woke any of mine though if you're really interested on focusing on perfecting your routine, you  might do it for a few days.  I'd start with BT and make it a touch earlier and see how he does with that. 

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2012, 15:22:58 pm »
This sounds to me like he may be overtired.  I think he might naturally need to go to bed a little bit earleir and not be quite so tired when he goes to bed.  I think that if you can get a solid stretch of sleep in him, he might naturally wake a little bit earlier and then you'd put him to bed a little earlier -- seems like one is causing the other and he's getting OT as a result.

Thanks for your response! It makes sense that he's OT, but I guess this is the part where I get confused. If I try and put him to bed earlier, he ends up waking up after 45 - 60 mins and then won't go back to sleep. Is that because I've tried much too soon versus doing it gradually? I was just reading another post from someone who had a similar issue with trying to get the BT moved up. Last night he didn't conk out until 11 PM. He takes his last nap starting around 6:30 PM or 7:00 PM (last night he slept from 7:00 PM to 7:45 PM). I tried everything I could to have him down at 9:15 PM and he was not having it. What BT would you suggest with the current schedule?

He's still sleeping now and it's 9:30 AM. I figured letting him get caught up on sleep was better at this point than sticking to a routine.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2012, 15:26:04 pm by bluefin »

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2012, 15:48:59 pm »
Also FWIW I did the "Know Your Baby Quiz" and he's a touchy LO.

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 01:42:34 am »
I would try somewhere around 8:30 to start, just because it will give you a 12 hour night.  Anytime he wakes after that, keep it really low key.  If he's touchy, he also might need a longer winddown routine -- what are you currently doing before bed as a winddown?

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2012, 20:01:01 pm »
We usually keep it pretty low key after he wakes from his last nap. Limited toys (usually just Sophie for him to chew on) and limited lights. About 30 minutes before we want to have him in bed, we bring him upstairs and change his diaper and put him in pajamas. My husband then usually reads to him for 5 - 10 minutes and then we put him in his sleepsack and I give him a final feed before bed. If we are doing a bath, we start the process at 45 minutes and the only difference is the bath at the beginning.

A couple of questions:

1. So if we're shooting for an 8:30 PM bedtime, do I have him skip that 6:30 or 7:00 cat nap? I get so anxious when he skips naps because it almost always means it's a horrible night. Last night he skipped the evening nap and was up every hour from 9:30 PM to 5:30 AM and then finally slept from 5:30 AM to 9:45 AM. His naps have been horrible today as a result and extending them has not been successful.

2. If we do get him asleep successfully at 8:30 PM, when he wakes up after do I treat it as a night waking and try and get him right back to sleep? We've tried that before and he usually ends up fighting us until his normal A time passes. During his "normal" night wakings, he usually goes back to sleep pretty easily after a quick feed and a diaper change (excluding last night, he was far too tired).

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2012, 22:48:35 pm »
do I have him skip that 6:30 or 7:00 cat nap?
No, the catnap is just meant to buy you enough extra time to get him to a 12hr day and a reasonable bedtime, he should be ready for a sleep after 1-1.5hr from a 45min catnap.

If we do get him asleep successfully at 8:30 PM, when he wakes up after do I treat it as a night waking and try and get him right back to sleep?
Yes. Keep lights low, etc. Generally a waking soon after going to sleep for the night is related to overtiredness.

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2012, 23:09:49 pm »
Thank you! I will give it a shot.

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2012, 03:52:14 am »
Well tonight is a complete failure. He took 2 - 45 min naps that I was not able to extend. On his 3rd nap, I tried extending and ended up holding him (in the dark in his room) after the 45 min point for a total of 2 hours just to get some sleep into him. He took a CN at 7:30 for 35 min. We did our BT routine as soon as he woke up, including warm bath and massage, and have been trying to get him down since 8:45. It's been an hour and he's fighting sleep hard. I don't know what else to do. I tagged my husband in to get a break. He won't stop crying. I really can't have a repeat of last night. I'm exhausted.
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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2012, 04:38:28 am »
What's his A time now? Usually LO's are on 2hr at 4 months, so he may need a touch more to be able to sleep longer than 45min.

Is there a particular way he sleeps better than others? Does he cry at a specific period of the day or all the time? Any possibility he could be in some discomfort when lying down?

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2012, 06:05:04 am »
He's still awake. :( It's now midnight. He has drifted off a couple of times but woke back up within minutes.

His A time is about 1:45. I have gotten a couple 2 hour naps out of him within the past week with that. I can try and push it to 2 hours and see what happens.  I thought we were making progress on naps but I guess I was wrong.

He seems to like laying on his side. When shush patting him, there have been a few times I left him slightly on his side because he seemed comfortable. But there are other times if I try and get him on his side he will fight me and twist his body and arch his back to flip back over. When he's OT he gets clingy so wants to be held to sleep.

I mentioned how hard it is to get him down to the pedi and she didn't bat an eye. She checked him over and didn't see anything wrong with him. He does get pretty gassy sometimes and poops every 3 to 7 days but that has been the norm for him since 3 months.

I feel like we are in a vicious cycle that I can't get him out of. At this point he will probably end up sleeping in again. The majority of my day today was spent getting him to go to sleep or to stay asleep.
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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2012, 06:37:12 am »
I mentioned how hard it is to get him down to the pedi and she didn't bat an eye
Yeah, they hear every parent complain about LO's sleep ;)

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Most babies will sleep eventually unless there's something underlying.

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2012, 14:28:47 pm »
I mentioned silent reflux to her and she brushed it aside. He does have some signs of reflux (sour face, gassy, frequent eating) but does not spit up. She didn't think he had it, or if he does that it's not bad, because he's not uncomfortable all day.

He finally settled at 3:30 AM and stopped waking up every hour. I don't know what to do. :(

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2012, 17:30:53 pm »
Just got him down for his morning nap after 2 hours of A time. He was quite fussy the last 10 - 15 minutes before his nap but we kept it really low key in his room. HOPING this will start the day with a good nap so we can start to get out of this OT cycle.

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Re: Having a hard time settling at night
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2012, 21:05:30 pm »
Crossing fingers for you.